【help‼】Layton Lakes submission Hope 8

[kaito]

hello.
I can't complete the mission to shoot two black-tailed deer from the ground blind in the rock formations of High Lake because there is no trace of the black-tailed deer at all. Can anyone give me some advice?

[Geronimo]

Have to lure them into that area from outside. It's very tricky. Teaches you the various ways of luring animals out of pressured areas, into favorite areas, etc.

[kaito]

thank you for the advice!
It was a tricky mission after all...
I will persevere and take on the challenge.

I'd be happy to hear other people's clear episodes as well.

[Cumadrin]

Originally posted by Geronimo:

Have to lure them into that area from outside. It's very tricky. Teaches you the various ways of luring animals out of pressured areas, into favorite areas, etc.

I noticed this mission being bugged almost as soon as they fixed Hope #6 on the 27th. Was just waiting to see how long before it got mentioned on the forums.

This is another case of the range of the blacktails being moved messing up a mission. Just like Hope #6. There's no way it was intended for you to lure deer almost 1 km to the blind, which is where my nearest blacktails can be found. I literally checked all hours of the day and blacktails never come near the Rock Formations.

We will have to wait for this mission to be fixed too, but you'd think the devs would've at least checked the other blacktail missions to make sure their required area fell within blacktail range after they made us wait years to fix Hope #6.

[kaito]

Originally posted by Cumadrin:

Originally posted by Geronimo:

Have to lure them into that area from outside. It's very tricky. Teaches you the various ways of luring animals out of pressured areas, into favorite areas, etc.

I noticed this mission being bugged almost as soon as they fixed Hope #6 on the 27th. Was just waiting to see how long before it got mentioned on the forums.

This is another case of the range of the blacktails being moved messing up a mission. Just like Hope #6. There's no way it was intended for you to lure deer almost 1 km to the blind, which is where my nearest blacktails can be found. I literally checked all hours of the day and blacktails never come near the Rock Formations.

We will have to wait for this mission to be fixed too, but you'd think the devs would've at least checked the other blacktail missions to make sure their required area fell within blacktail range after they made us wait years to fix Hope #6.

Thank you so much for the wonderful information!! It may be fixed like Hope 6 in the future.
I will wait for it.
I was pulling black-tailed deer all the way to the area, but it was impossible to pull 1km.

[amarth.zeides]

Same here, no blacktail nearby. Also the ground blind is facing away from the nearest found. And also facing towards the edge of the mission area so the blacktail will have to be in a 100x100m area.

Does anyone know whether the DLC ground blinds will work?

[BJWyler]

This is why I never liked those area specific missions of the early reserves. I'm glad those went to the wayside in the later reserves, at least as specific as some of these were. This here just shows the problem of having missions like that in the game if they do not automatically spawn the necessary animals in the area when active.

And yes, the blinds from the DLC do count for mission completion. I pretty much used them exclusively for that purpose.

[nzmountainclimber]

So disappointed to finally clear Hope #6 only to get stopped by Hope #8. I've submitted it as a bug. Goodness knows how long we will have to wait for this one to be fixed.

I know there are players who don't care about the missions, but there are also a large number that do. Typical players who would refer to themselves as "completionists" like myself. I am disappointed the latest maps don't have side missions and you can unlock everything and complete the story quests in a few hours.

Lastly all these threads tend to have someone suggesting you can lure animals over long distances. Have they actually tried?

I can think of 4 theoretical ways to achieve that goal... but in practise do they actually work? Or is it people just saying things that they haven't actually tried, that don't actually work well.

1) Using callers.
2) Chasing - but good luck, steering them.
3) Controlling them by fast travelling to tents.
4) Scents (If they even work that is)

[nzmountainclimber]

I've spent the morning playing with the idea of "herding" a group of blacktail up into the zone so I can complete the mission. I've been backing up and reloading my game trying different strategies.

There are a number of obstacles...

1) Getting the black tail pack to turn when you want. The path to my zone is some what of a 'S' shaped route around a lake... and although you can kind of get the pack moving once they are off there is little controlling their direction.

2) The higher level the animal is the more it doesn't do what you want. You really need trivial females to have more regular success.

3) It's unclear when animals are in their "fleeing" behaviour if they are actually fleeing in a random direction, or simply following along there regular route in either direction. There seems to be a "gravity" at play that pulls them to run along regular lines.

4) In certain animal modes like fleeing, you can forget about using your callers, as they won't work - and it's usually at time you need to steer them.

So although I think you can herd animals, it's not sheep dog precision, and it probably mostly involves luck and driving them along their natural route mostly in straight lines.

There were two other things I thought of that I haven't tried much, and that is sleeping to precise times, so the group is in your optimal position... and how hunting pressure could be used to create a boundary.

I did get a trivial female into the zone once, but it wasn't near my ground blinds, and I lost it in bushes, and it wouldn't respond to my caller. Tracking after the fact suggested it corrected back to it's regular route.

[nzmountainclimber]

I just completed Hope #8.

At around 19:30 at the bottom of the big lake on the right of the mission zone, there will be Blacktails passing by. Lie in wait and lure one in to about 50m from you using a caller, make sure it's trivial so you have less troubles with it getting spooked. "Fast Crawl" the 500m or so to the mission zone, stopping every 10-20m to quickly use your caller. It should follow 30-50m behind you the entire way. Enter your blind and shoot it. (Make sure the wind isn't a head wind)

It seems the most important rule in luring animals in this game is that you don't spook them, to make sure they are low level like trivial, and lastly to keep them close to you within 30-50m fast crawling. Try to be patient, if you crouch to move faster it can get spooked and flee if you aren't careful and all your work is for nothing.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by nzmountainclimber:

So disappointed to finally clear Hope #6 only to get stopped by Hope #8. I've submitted it as a bug. Goodness knows how long we will have to wait for this one to be fixed.

I know there are players who don't care about the missions, but there are also a large number that do. Typical players who would refer to themselves as "completionists" like myself. I am disappointed the latest maps don't have side missions and you can unlock everything and complete the story quests in a few hours.

Lastly all these threads tend to have someone suggesting you can lure animals over long distances. Have they actually tried?

I can think of 4 theoretical ways to achieve that goal... but in practise do they actually work? Or is it people just saying things that they haven't actually tried, that don't actually work well.

1) Using callers.
2) Chasing - but good luck, steering them.
3) Controlling them by fast travelling to tents.
4) Scents (If they even work that is)

I am one of those morons who practices actual "Zone Management", lol, and I also go through much trouble trying to establish good hunting in my favorite locations. So I have often had to lure animals away from their vanilla pathways in order to accomplish that.

It is NOT easy, and requires alot of understanding the various mechanics involved. It would take pages of instruction to teach.

And a while back the Devs made some changes to the distance that animals fled, as well as how long before returning. Not to mention the affect of hunting pressure and spooked affects.

So given those changes, it's very likely that it's not even possible to do this anymore. It's been awhile since I've tried it, mostly because they keep doing the population resets which kills all my zone work.

CoTW is failing hard in this regard. Zone management was one of its key features in its first few years, but to appease complainers who couldn't figure out the mechanics involved, the Devs ruined the enjoyment of it completely.

So my typical style of playing has been altered dramatically to not bother with zones at all now.

[kaito]

Originally posted by nzmountainclimber:

I just completed Hope #8.

At around 19:30 at the bottom of the big lake on the right of the mission zone, there will be Blacktails passing by. Lie in wait and lure one in to about 50m from you using a caller, make sure it's trivial so you have less troubles with it getting spooked. "Fast Crawl" the 500m or so to the mission zone, stopping every 10-20m to quickly use your caller. It should follow 30-50m behind you the entire way. Enter your blind and shoot it. (Make sure the wind isn't a head wind)

It seems the most important rule in luring animals in this game is that you don't spook them, to make sure they are low level like trivial, and lastly to keep them close to you within 30-50m fast crawling. Try to be patient, if you crouch to move faster it can get spooked and flee if you aren't careful and all your work is for nothing.

Listening to the opinions of various people, I also want to complete the mission, so I really want to clear it. I would like to refer to nzmountainclimber's comment.
If you have any other progress on this matter, please share with us!

[kaito]

Thanks to everyone's feedback, I finally cleared Hope #8. Apparently the black-tailed deer's habitat seems to be around South Lake. I thought that pulling with a whistle to 500m is the current strategy. "I hope this information will be useful to others."

[maenoferren22]

I have just restarted the game on the PC and am up to Hope 8. it was bad enough years ago when I was on the PS4. the comments on here have helped loads. Cheers. ON the PS4 the mission that was messed up was the 'hunt three boars' one. They moved the animal zones so I never ever finished it. Personally I like the missons and the hunting pressure and zones made it more interesting.

[Coldmoon]

Pulling deer to 500m away is too hard. I almost lost my mind when they spooked and flee.