The Species List On Rancho Del Arrayo And Opinions

[florble mcfumperdink]

Whitetail Deer
Mule Deer
Bighorn Sheep
Rio Grande Turkey
Ringneck Pheasant
Coyote
Antelope Jackrabbit
Mexican Bobcat
Collared Peccary

I'm quite excited about this map currently, as it is the first desert map we have ever gotten and has some very interesting new animals.

Plus, we finally get a new gun that isn't a flipping 4-8 rifle. No idea why people want .308 when it is literally a compact 30-06 that has the same ballistic performance. If we get another rifle at some point I'd prefer a class 1-3 rifle to use over the .243 and .22 for smaller game.

Any body else have opinions to share on the map? Hyped for a most medium and small game map, or disappointed over perceived reskins?

[WarpLover]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von florble mcfumperdink:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DanthemanBoone:

Watched the stream and felt their was little to get excited about. I will be buying it because I want all the maps in my game collection. The only feature I felt was noticeable was the outstanding job they have done on the pheasant models. But then I never was a keen bird hunter anyway. Ho Hum.

Yeah, it's basically impossible to please everyone with a given map. This one is catered towards people that like hunting at distances below 150 meters and people that like hunting small and medium game, especially over rough terrain. On the flipside I'm sure there are just as many people that want Elephants, Rhinos, Giraffes, and Hippos on a second Africa map (I personally don't understand the draw of those four animals because, in my opinion, something so large and easy to hit a vital organ on provides no real challenge in terms of marksmanship, but that doesn't mean I'll hate on the people that want that experience in the game).

I'd just point out that all animals are different, their senses are not equal, their habits differ, etc. It's the thrill of the chase as well as the kill!

Take your perks and skills away and let's see you say bringing down an elephant is easy.

I feel a heart shot on an elephant that is probably 6' thick is going to be a challenge.

But TPTB have shied away from us being able to shoot certain animals. Elephants aren't going to ever happen. We'll have to get that from the competition.

[WarpLover]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von wirex3:

As far as new animals to hunt, add a variety of small game to existing maps.

CPU/GPU load is the issue.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von wirex3:

In regards to endangered species, this is a game not real life.

fully agree

[WarpLover]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gangrene:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lt. Heinz Becker:

It would never happen, but I would love to have an Ice Age themed reserve with Irish elk, smilodon, short faced bears, giant sloths, woolly mammoths and rinos. Not realistic, but would be completely different from what we currently have.

I wouldn't say never... TK seemed pretty stoked on that specific idea... and if it's a seller... they'll probably make it. It might be a stand alone game though.

Well if theHunter Primal (dinosaurs) is an example of how they would handle "the ice age" please don't bother.

[adkennedy03]

I'm honestly disappointed to see that Pronghorn, coues deer (similar to whitetail I know) and plains bison are not making an appearance. The Rio Grande turkey is nice but is just a better looking version of the (most likely) merriams turkey we all ready have. Pheasants are an excellent addition for us upland bird hunters. The new rabbit is ok but I think some of us would have like prairie dogs or coatimundi instead. For the weapon, at least its not another 4-8 rifle but I would have loved a .22 hornet for class 1-3 or 1-4, and yes the .22 hornet is a little less powerful than .223.

[Gangrene]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rumpelstielzchen_CB:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lt. Heinz Becker:

I would love to have an Ice Age themed reserve

Just play "Far Cry Primal" :-)

I played Far Cry Primal... it's not the same... was board of it quickly.

[Falcon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von adkennedy03:

I'm honestly disappointed to see that Pronghorn, coues deer (similar to whitetail I know) and plains bison are not making an appearance. The Rio Grande turkey is nice but is just a better looking version of the (most likely) merriams turkey we all ready have. Pheasants are an excellent addition for us upland bird hunters. The new rabbit is ok but I think some of us would have like prairie dogs or coatimundi instead. For the weapon, at least its not another 4-8 rifle but I would have loved a .22 hornet for class 1-3 or 1-4, and yes the .22 hornet is a little less powerful than .223.

Why would there be plains bison in the middle of the Sonoran Desert? They don't live there at all IRL.

I do like the .22 hornet idea. It's a nice middle ground between the .22 WMR which doesn't have good enough reach for coyotes, and the .204 ruger which some people feel is overkill for rabbits.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Falcon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von adkennedy03:

I'm honestly disappointed to see that Pronghorn, coues deer (similar to whitetail I know) and plains bison are not making an appearance. The Rio Grande turkey is nice but is just a better looking version of the (most likely) merriams turkey we all ready have. Pheasants are an excellent addition for us upland bird hunters. The new rabbit is ok but I think some of us would have like prairie dogs or coatimundi instead. For the weapon, at least its not another 4-8 rifle but I would have loved a .22 hornet for class 1-3 or 1-4, and yes the .22 hornet is a little less powerful than .223.

Why would there be plains bison in the middle of the Sonoran Desert? They don't live there at all IRL.

I do like the .22 hornet idea. It's a nice middle ground between the .22 WMR which doesn't have good enough reach for coyotes, and the .204 ruger which some people feel is overkill for rabbits.

Prior to being completely extirpated in the region (first by the Spanish/Mexicans and then by us Americans) Buffalo/Bison were very common throughout the US Southwest, including the Sonoran Desert. The Mexican State of Sonora actually has a bison herd, and Bison are hunted on both public and federal land in the Sonoran Desert in Arizona and Mexico.

Also I agree on small game rifles, if we get more rifles in the near future I'm tired of 4-8s.

[Falcon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von florble mcfumperdink:

The Mexican State of Sonora actually has a bison herd, and Bison are hunted on both public and federal land in the Sonoran Desert in Arizona and Mexico.

Wow. I'd have thought they'd keel over from overheating like elk do, but I guess not? You learn something new every day

[florble mcfumperdink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Falcon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von florble mcfumperdink:

The Mexican State of Sonora actually has a bison herd, and Bison are hunted on both public and federal land in the Sonoran Desert in Arizona and Mexico.

Wow. I'd have thought they'd keel over from overheating like elk do, but I guess not? You learn something new every day

Yeah, one would think large fluffy animals like that would die of heat stroke, but then again deserts tend to be cold as hell at night, so i would imagine they are only active on overcast days, at night, and at dawn/dusk. I mean, even animals with desert adaptations such as Antelope Jackrabbits aren't out between 11:30 AM and 04:30 PM because it's too hot.

That, and Bison are/were quite happy on the high plains of Colorado and Texas anyways, and during summer this region of the country routinely punches above 97 degrees F, commonly hitting 110 or similar, so considering that it makes sense they would be at home in the Sonora.

Edit: Also, I believe an important adaptation for Buffalo is that they can sweat to a meaningful extent, while the other supermassive game animal in NA, the moose, can't (hence why moose aren't found in most of the lower 48)

[Lt. Heinz Becker]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WarpLover:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gangrene:

I wouldn't say never... TK seemed pretty stoked on that specific idea... and if it's a seller... they'll probably make it. It might be a stand alone game though.

Well if theHunter Primal (dinosaurs) is an example of how they would handle "the ice age" please don't bother.

The biggest issue with Primal was the level reset glitch every time you exited the game. Funny enough people have had their level get reset with this game as well. It's a shame they abandoned it.

[Lt. Heinz Becker]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eagle74:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von YUKONTRAPPER:

When will they release the new card ? Does anyone have any information ?

No release date yet but I suspect they will try to get it done by the summer sale.

Not having pronghorn is a bit of a letdown. I would gladly trade out the rabbit or coyote for them. Other than that it is a good selection of animals for me.

Silver Ridge released June 23, 2020 and Yukon June 25, 2019 so I would say between June 20th to the 30th.

[tiltaaa]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von florble mcfumperdink:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tiltaaa:

No Pronghorn ! What a joke!!! There is only a relatively small area to hunt pronghorn on silver ridge peaks, this would have been a perfect map to have pronghorn on.

I understand that everyone wants a second whitetail map however I think that coues deer would be much much more appropriate for a Mexican map, and whitetail if it were a texan map.

Also there going to the extent to include "Mexican" bobcat. If there going to be specific to include Mexican bobcats they should have kept it consistent and include desert bighorn and desert mule deer?? Im sure most would much rather the latter.

While I can agree Pronghorn would have been wonderful, they are rarely hunted south of Arizona/New Mexico because the subspecies that live in Mexico never recovered well population wise due to poor conservation efforts, and thus are not hunted very commonly in the region.

As far as Coues Whitetails vs standard Whitetails go, I'm not too tied-up over it. This is largely because the thing that makes Coues Whitetails unique (apart from color and body/antler size) is their more skittish behavior compared to normal Whitetails, which would be nearly impossible to capture in-game due to how the AI generally acts.

Mexican Bobcats was more my own term, all Bobcats on the North American continent are the same species of animal (only being differentiated by small physical differences which declare them as two separate subspecies, one ranging West of the Great Plains and the other East of the Great Plains), and the only differences between populations would be fur density due to high heat or extreme cold. Still would have liked Desert Bighorn/Desert Mule Deer for some reskins on old beloved animals though.

You make some valid points regarding pronghorn and coues, as an Australian my knowledge of North American wildlife would not be a great as yours. I do know however that lions are hunted but I would think hunting lions would be 'rare' and they're present in game. I would imagine the same for desert bighorn in mexico as well as other examples such as mule deer in parque fernando which are also in game.

They could easily rename mule deer and bighorn in SRG and PF to rocky mountain mule deer and rocky mountain bighorn.

In this game I prefer big game hunting over small game hunting, i feel the small game hunting in COTW is pretty average compared to classic, hence my preference for larger game.

This new map is basically loggers point from classic the species list is almost identical.
Both have whitetail, mule deer, coyote, pheasants and bobcats

Similarities
cottontail rabbits and antelope jack rabbit
javelina and feral hog

+ bighorn and turkeys in the mexican map

[florble mcfumperdink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tiltaaa:

You make some valid points regarding pronghorn and coues, as an Australian my knowledge of North American wildlife would not be a great as yours. I do know however that lions are hunted but I would think hunting lions would be 'rare' and they're present in game. I would imagine the same for desert bighorn in mexico as well as other examples such as mule deer in parque fernando which are also in game.

Yeah, there is some inconsistency regarding animals being present or not due to endangered status IRL. European Bison, for instance, have a wild population of less than 8,000 individuals yet we have them on Hirschfelden. Lions on Vurhonga are kinda similar. The general perception is they can't be hunted, but in countries like South Africa where the populations bounced back insanely fast (and where there are also plenty of them on private game reserves) they are hunted very often. Botswana has a similar situation with Elephants, the populations there are so large compared to elsewhere they actually have a hunting season for them.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tiltaaa:

They could easily rename mule deer and bighorn in SRG and PF to rocky mountain mule deer and rocky mountain bighorn.

Oh yeah for certain, although in all honesty I prefer bug fixes over minor model changes and repaints of existing animals to make them more environmentally fitting (however I would like to see the Mule Deer and Bighorns on Rancho Del Arrayo changed to their desert species in the future).

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tiltaaa:

In this game I prefer big game hunting over small game hunting, i feel the small game hunting in COTW is pretty average compared to classic, hence my preference for larger game.

Personally my preferences lean towards small and medium game because I find that more enjoyable (I mostly hunt with bows, handguns, and shotguns in this game, so I have to get close because of that).

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tiltaaa:

This new map is basically loggers point from classic the species list is almost identical.
Both have whitetail, mule deer, coyote, pheasants and bobcats

Oh yeah it is effectively logger's point with a bit more flare lol. I mean to be fair, the last two survery after Te Awaora and Bloodhounds were asking for Pheasants, a Loggers' Point like map, a new Whitetail map, and/or a map in a desert environment. So, the best way to move on to more exotic areas was to cover all those requests at one time with a map in Mexico.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von tiltaaa:

Similarities
cottontail rabbits and antelope jack rabbit
javelina and feral hog

+ bighorn and turkeys in the mexican map

Yeah, parallels to Loggers' again lol. Javelina (Collared Peccary) are kinda strange though taxonomically speaking. They are in the suborder Suina, which they share with all pigs and pig-like mammals, but their particular family is Tayasuidae due to being a pig and not a pig at the same time. Peccaries have shorter, wider skulls, straight tusks as opposed to curved tusks, and weirdest of all three toes on their hind feet with two on their forefeet. That last one has essentially resulted in about 140 years of scientists and biologists arguing with each other about whether or not it should be considered an even-toed-ungulate or an odd-toed-ungulate, or some strange third classification for animals with mixed toe numbers.

Who knew a tiny 30-60 pound pig (or maybe more accurately pign't) could cause so much strife lol.

Edit: Also, in-terms of big game Mexico does have Bison (which i was hoping would be on the map but they aren't) but they also have a rather exotic large game animal in the form of Nilgai. Nilgai are basically just a massive half ton kudu-like antelope from India.

[Gangrene]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lt. Heinz Becker:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eagle74:

No release date yet but I suspect they will try to get it done by the summer sale.

Not having pronghorn is a bit of a letdown. I would gladly trade out the rabbit or coyote for them. Other than that it is a good selection of animals for me.

Silver Ridge released June 23, 2020 and Yukon June 25, 2019 so I would say between June 20th to the 30th.

Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?!?

[florble mcfumperdink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gangrene:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lt. Heinz Becker:

Silver Ridge released June 23, 2020 and Yukon June 25, 2019 so I would say between June 20th to the 30th.

Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?!?

All people with German first names starting with the letter H are engineering and computer geniuses which are also rumored to be very well practiced Wizards.

It is also believed that they can play Geometry Dash without becoming enraged.