Is "Zeroing" a good perk? And what are the best skills and perks I should get as soon as possible?

[Jeff Kaos]

I've seen a lot of mixed opinions on the Zeroing perk online but most of the posts are a couple of years old. I ended up grabbing both levels of the Skill because it seemed like a decent choice but I'm not sure it's really had much effect on my game. I usually shoot targets under 150 meters from my location and before I never noticed much difference between having it and not having it. So like with a lot of skills and perk I'm wondering if it's worth getting or if I should re-spec and get something else?

And as the second part of my question states: which are the "Must Have" skills and perks? Some, like "Soft Step", are obvious but others like "Connect the Dots" seems iffy or of limited use. I actually took "Connect the Dots" and I don't really see the point of having it.

[Hanuman]

Zeroing is probably the most useful perk available. It allows quick zeroing in on targets that are close range, medium range and long range. It also changes depending on the weapon. A .44 handgun will zero at 25m, 50m, 75m for example whereas a .300 riffle will zero to 75m, 150m, 300m. This changes for many weapons, and the perk works for all weapons. It allows quicker kills and faster adjustment for your scope. Don't bother with the somewhat similar "Ranger" perk which seems good for bow hunting but is horrible and doesn't work well.

Last piece of advice...there is a lot to the perks and such. Study them well *before* you respec.
Respec cost in this game is crazy. I did it 2-3x and cost well over 100k. Cost goes up quick every time you do it. But now I do believe my spec is excellent for my play style, so it was worth it.

[gabcik&kubis]

3500 per point invested to respec :-(

I took it I use it and do not complain. Although even before I made my kills. But if you go after heart shots and are good at it or you prefer shooting at very long ranges it is good skill (I mostly screw up aiming point). For 100 meters shots it probably doesn't matter that much

[Geronimo]

Zeroing is only effective IF the devs coordinate it with changes they make to individual weapon ballistics when they are nerfing and/or accommodating introductions of new weapons.

Hate to sound like a dev-basher because I'm not. I actually have a great deal of respect and appreciation for what EP has accomplished here, but that doesnt mean that I need to be naive.

Reality is that in these games, there is a constant effort being made to fix bugs, create new content to sell, and to try to accommodate the various desires and requests of their potential future market.

And this means regular changes and reprogramming, which unfortunately will often create further issues due to conflicting programs and lack of devotion to already existing statistics and codes.

You know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen.

So with regard to the zeroing perk, unless I could rely on it consistently, I would not waste points on it.

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by Geronimo:

Zeroing is only effective IF the devs coordinate it with changes they make to individual weapon ballistics when they are nerfing and/or accommodating introductions of new weapons.

Hate to sound like a dev-basher because I'm not. I actually have a great deal of respect and appreciation for what EP has accomplished here, but that doesnt mean that I need to be naive.

Reality is that in these games, there is a constant effort being made to fix bugs, create new content to sell, and to try to accommodate the various desires and requests of their potential future market.

And this means regular changes and reprogramming, which unfortunately will often create further issues due to conflicting programs and lack of devotion to already existing statistics and codes.

You know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen.

So with regard to the zeroing perk, unless I could rely on it consistently, I would not waste points on it.

This might all be well and true, and you most likely know much more about this game than I do, but as a relatively new player having done around 600 hours, I guarantee that without zeroing perks, a new player might get frustrated quite easily. I suppose I could go to the range and learn to use the scope marks (another reason I love to compound bow hunt, you *have* to learn this)
and this might actually be fun and interesting...but when you need to do missions, try to get as many kills per play session you can etc etc...you want the close/far zeroing points...Let's be honest, there isn't anything much better to spend your points on. And the constant frustration of often missing anything over 250m would drive me nuts..

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by Dream Master:

Originally posted by Geronimo:

Zeroing is only effective IF the devs coordinate it with changes they make to individual weapon ballistics when they are nerfing and/or accommodating introductions of new weapons.

Hate to sound like a dev-basher because I'm not. I actually have a great deal of respect and appreciation for what EP has accomplished here, but that doesnt mean that I need to be naive.

Reality is that in these games, there is a constant effort being made to fix bugs, create new content to sell, and to try to accommodate the various desires and requests of their potential future market.

And this means regular changes and reprogramming, which unfortunately will often create further issues due to conflicting programs and lack of devotion to already existing statistics and codes.

You know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen.

So with regard to the zeroing perk, unless I could rely on it consistently, I would not waste points on it.

This might all be well and true, and you most likely know much more about this game than I do, but as a relatively new player having done around 600 hours, I guarantee that without zeroing perks, a new player might get frustrated quite easily. I suppose I could go to the range and learn to use the scope marks (another reason I love to compound bow hunt, you *have* to learn this)
and this might actually be fun and interesting...but when you need to do missions, try to get as many kills per play session you can etc etc...you want the close/far zeroing points...Let's be honest, there isn't anything much better to spend your points on. And the constant frustration of often missing anything over 250m would drive me nuts..

+1 to that.

I don't use it for shots under 150m but it's a game changer for shots over that with rifles. Bows I'd say it's a must have.

If you're using the .22 pistol, the zero is bugged, setting it at the short range 25m zero's the scope at 250m. Use the 50m zero for that, shoots dead on vertically from 15 to 75m then.

[Hanuman]

The .22 pistol zero being bugged explains the problems I'm having learning about rabbit hunting. I switched to shotguns over the .22 because I couldn't hit anything but I wanted to level my handgun skill with the .22 :/ Of course I then switched to the colt 45 thinking if I loaded it with .410 shot shells I could cheat and still level my handgun...big NO on that, now, once you switch the ammo to shells, it levels your shotgun skill lol ...I guess they fixed that while back.

[Humpenstilzchen]

It can be very useful but it always annoyed me that it zeroes in all your weapons at once when you use it.
So lets say you have a rifle and a bow. The bow is obviously for low range so lets say it is zeroed in to 20 meters, when you use your rifle for a long shot and set it to 300 meters it will also change the zeroing of your bow, which can lead to missshots if you use the bow afterwards and forget to readjust it.

Sorry for bad english, I can´t describe it better.

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

It can be very useful but it always annoyed me that it zeroes in all your weapons at once when you use it.
So lets say you have a rifle and a bow. The bow is obviously for low range so lets say it is zeroed in to 20 meters, when you use your rifle for a long shot and set it to 300 meters it will also change the zeroing of your bow, which can lead to missshots if you use the bow afterwards and forget to readjust it.

Sorry for bad english, I can´t describe it better.

sounded fine to me. and that annoys me as well.

Originally posted by Dream Master:

The .22 pistol zero being bugged explains the problems I'm having learning about rabbit hunting. I switched to shotguns over the .22 because I couldn't hit anything but I wanted to level my handgun skill with the .22 :/ Of course I then switched to the colt 45 thinking if I loaded it with .410 shot shells I could cheat and still level my handgun...big NO on that, now, once you switch the ammo to shells, it levels your shotgun skill lol ...I guess they fixed that while back.

22 rifle still works fine, just more weight to carry. also .22 pistol shoots a bit right as well.

it's always been you get weapon points for the ammo used. i've been using the .410 shells on rabbits to level up my shotgun score to unlock the 12g 6 round shotgun.

[gabcik&kubis]

Originally posted by Dream Master:

And the constant frustration of often missing anything over 250m would drive me nuts..

Do you take lot of those shots? I do not like anything beyond 200 and even those are not something I like a lot. Even with perks crosshair swaying is fairly large and to me it doesn't seem that bullets make enough damage and penetrate deeply.
That's also probably why I haven't noticed major difference between hunting with and without that perk

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by gabcik&kubis:

Originally posted by Dream Master:

And the constant frustration of often missing anything over 250m would drive me nuts..

Do you take lot of those shots? I do not like anything beyond 200 and even those are not something I like a lot. Even with perks crosshair swaying is fairly large and to me it doesn't seem that bullets make enough damage and penetrate deeply.
That's also probably why I haven't noticed major difference between hunting with and without that perk

I take tons of shots over 300m. My first Mythical was a Red Deer in PF at 368m. You can get double lung shots 350m+ with a .300 or .338

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by Dream Master:

I take tons of shots over 300m. My first Mythical was a Red Deer in PF at 368m. You can get double lung shots 350m+ with a .300 or .338

but then you fail the correct ammo harvest check and your diamond becomes a gold. red deer are class 6, .300 is class 7-9. 30-06/M1 drops them very well at long range.

[Geronimo]

@ Nimitz,

U must be one of those guys that always follow my posts looking for arguments, think I know who you are, just using a different account. Certainly seem to know me and have chip on shoulder, so I'll just ignore your posts and responses from here on,

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by McSqurl Nugget:

Originally posted by Dream Master:

I take tons of shots over 300m. My first Mythical was a Red Deer in PF at 368m. You can get double lung shots 350m+ with a .300 or .338

but then you fail the correct ammo harvest check and your diamond becomes a gold. red deer are class 6, .300 is class 7-9. 30-06/M1 drops them very well at long range.

Haha yea..I have two diamonds..a canada goose and a cinnamon teal lol. I am "The Destroyer of Diamonds" since I screw up so many shots The mythical I was on top a lookout point and spotted it across the lake...I could either run down the outlook and cover 400m of ground or just use my .300 and go for it lol I don't remember if I had other, better riffle choices on me...knowing me...probably lol

[Hundezahn]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2079460161

[Geronimo]

Dont understand the need to know the trajectory of a weapon beyond its kill range.

Even if you could hit exactly where you want it to land, you would just spend all day chasing cripples.