Weapon/Ammo Class Bonus?

[Ogre420]

I know that killing a low class animal with a high class ammo gets a *PENALTY* but Is there any *BONUS* to killing an animal with a lower Weapon/Ammo Class then suggested for the animal?

If you kill a bunny rabbit with a howitzer you get a *PENALTY*

If you kill a lion (Class 9) with a .22 long rifle round (Class 1) is there any *BONUS*?

[florble mcfumperdink]

Nope, still a penalty. The class system (while more strict than real life laws) is meant to encourage ethical hunting, and last I checked using a varmint rifle or a roe deer hunting rifle like the .223 or .243 on a lion or buffalo is unethical.

[Ogre420]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Nope, still a penalty. The class system (while more strict than real life laws) is meant to encourage ethical hunting, and last I checked using a varmint rifle or a roe deer hunting rifle like the .223 or .243 on a lion or buffalo is unethical.

Seriously?
Why?
I can see penalizing someone for hunting bunnies with a howitzer, but penalizing someone for taking down Godzilla with a pea shooter makes no sense.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Ogre420:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Nope, still a penalty. The class system (while more strict than real life laws) is meant to encourage ethical hunting, and last I checked using a varmint rifle or a roe deer hunting rifle like the .223 or .243 on a lion or buffalo is unethical.

Seriously?
Why?
I can see penalizing someone for hunting bunnies with a howitzer, but penalizing someone for taking down Godzilla with a pea shooter makes no sense.

It's about sticking close to real life regulations and reinforcing the idea that using a smaller caliber can cause things to go horribly wrong.

One instance that comes to mind for me personally was when some teenagers intentionally snuck on to protected land in Montana and shot a mountain lion about 20 times with a .22lr, it had to be put down by fish&game officers 5 days later because its wounds had turned septic and before long it was going to begin to rot from the inside out, not to mention the fact that it was already in unimaginable pain from the roughly two dozen hollow points lodged into its body.

Edit: iirc the group of idiots confessed that they had been planning to do it for a while and I believe they all spent a brief stint in juvenile detention centers and their families had to pay something like 15 grand to compensate for environmental damages, because the little bastards would also destroy bird's nests and other ♥♥♥♥ while they were out there.

[Ogre420]

Ok, In the example I used, it was a class 1 ammo Vs. a class 9 animal, but what about a class 8 ammo Vs. a class 9 animal.

It seems that as long as you get a *kill* (Brain shot or such) there should be no penalty.

Also am I getting some sort of penalty for those animals that I shoot & lose track of?

[Hanuman]

I do see how killing an animal with ammo that might merely wound it and cause suffering would be penalized. Why killing a roe deer with a .300 vs like a .270 causes penalty is probably just for game reasons. I would assume a roe deer would suffer less when instantly killed by a .300 double lung shot than a bad placed .270 shot. But for trophy reasons maybe you can't use to large an ammo.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Ogre420:

Ok, In the example I used, it was a class 1 ammo Vs. a class 9 animal, but what about a class 8 ammo Vs. a class 9 animal.

It seems that as long as you get a *kill* (Brain shot or such) there should be no penalty.

Also am I getting some sort of penalty for those animals that I shoot & lose track of?

You get no penalty for not finding an animal you shot, if it didn't die it just gets its health refilled the next time you start up them game. If it dies and you can't/didn't claim it it just respawns exactly the same the next time you boot up the game.

As for class 8 ammo on a class 9 animal, you still get a penalty on the trophy medal, but a lot of people have been proposing removal of penalty for a 1 class difference, although you still have to grapple with the difficulty of killing a class above maximum recommended.

[McSqurl Nugget]

used to be you could kill a bison with a .22 and get the integrity points. they changed that with scoring 2.0 because the majority of the player base asked for it.

have to use the ammo indicated for the class now, which is how it should be.

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by Ogre420:

Ok, In the example I used, it was a class 1 ammo Vs. a class 9 animal, but what about a class 8 ammo Vs. a class 9 animal.

It seems that as long as you get a *kill* (Brain shot or such) there should be no penalty.

Also am I getting some sort of penalty for those animals that I shoot & lose track of?

You get no penalty for not finding an animal you shot, if it didn't die it just gets its health refilled the next time you start up them game. If it dies and you can't/didn't claim it it just respawns exactly the same the next time you boot up the game.

As for class 8 ammo on a class 9 animal, you still get a penalty on the trophy medal, but a lot of people have been proposing removal of penalty for a 1 class difference, although you still have to grapple with the difficulty of killing a class above maximum recommended.

actually you do get penalized, if you can call it that. skipping a harvest drops the consecutive harvest to 0 giving you less money and xp gained from the next few kills till it's back to 100%

I don't agree with the 1 class difference, that's just moving us back to pre-scoring 2.0. they put a lot of work into that, they shouldn't reverse it just for a couple guns people want changed. change the class on the guns instead.

[Neurotic Panda]

I agree with the OP on this subject and i've said as much on other similar topics.

i think we all understand that killing rabbits or roe deer with a .50 or something is just ridiculous. The same with using a.22 pistol and just continually unloading on a bison or something. Both of those scenarios are just absurd.

What does not make sense is me using a .22 and ONE shot killing a Black-Tail because i heart shot it brain shot it. How is that more 'unethical' then 1 shot killing it with a .270.

the animal dies in 2 or less shots both ways, so WHY am i penalized for one and not the other?

There is a 'hit' to your score if you take more than 2 shots with ANY weapon to kill an animal, even same class. So that in of its self deters the 'machine gunners'.

I actually think it takes more skill to kill a larger animal with a smaller caliber in TWO or less shots than a higher caliber. yet your penalized for this..

I use a class 8 .50 musket minie on class 9 bison. drop them one shot all day. I get penalized..

i think the root issue here is that a-lot of the ammo is classed incorrectly. The devs need to seriously look at the ammo and fix some of its class ratings.

Again I agree with OP. This is something that needs looked at.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Neurotic Panda:

I agree with the OP on this subject and i've said as much on other similar topics.

i think we all understand that killing rabbits or roe deer with a .50 or something is just ridiculous. The same with using a.22 pistol and just continually unloading on a bison or something. Both of those scenarios are just absurd.

What does not make sense is me using a .22 and ONE shot killing a Black-Tail because i heart shot it brain shot it. How is that more 'unethical' then 1 shot killing it with a .270.

the animal dies in 2 or less shots both ways, so WHY am i penalized for one and not the other?

There is a 'hit' to your score if you take more than 2 shots with ANY weapon to kill an animal, even same class. So that in of its self deters the 'machine gunners'.

I actually think it takes more skill to kill a larger animal with a smaller caliber in TWO or less shots than a higher caliber. yet your penalized for this..

I use a class 8 .50 musket minie on class 9 bison. drop them one shot all day. I get penalized..

i think the root issue here is that a-lot of the ammo is classed incorrectly. The devs need to seriously look at the ammo and fix some of its class ratings.

Again I agree with OP. This is something that needs looked at.

Attempting that is already unethical.
The rules are in place for a reason.
Just follow them and enjoy.
Theres enough different weapons for each animal class for variety.

[Neurotic Panda]

Originally posted by Matthias:

Attempting that is already unethical.

Well that's your morale opinion, and i will say my opinion is not the same. perhaps I'm more confident in my shots and know my shot placement better? Ive been in a stand on Hirsch and 1 shot, headshot a passing bison with a 420 grain arrow. No running, no bleeding out, literally dropped. I guess shooting her with a higher caliber and doing the same thing is more ethical some how. got me.

Such you are such a stickler for 'ethics', why don't we implement hunting restrictions like IRL too? there are ammo/class restrictions so why not, right?. Hey you've hit your 2 bison a week limit, or your 2 duck a day limit. Sorry its 'unethical' to kill anymore. rules say so. that'd be fun !

Originally posted by Matthias:

The rules are in place for a reason.

Every game has rules. That doesn't disallow people talking about them whether they agree or disagree. This is a forum after all. kind of the point. discussing the game, opinions, etc.

Originally posted by Matthias:

Just follow them and enjoy.

I will enjoy the game how I want to enjoy it, just like most people. If i feel Its ethical or fun to play as a 'frontiersman' and kill Bison (class 9) with my musket and get penalized for it because its a class 8 and i can 1 shot drop them, Then i will. whether that's 'breaking' the rules you're telling me to follow or not. I enjoy the game greatly, even though i'm again, 'breaking' the rules apparently and i'm playing 'unethical'.

Originally posted by Matthias:

Theres enough different weapons for each animal class for variety.

Again, your opinion. I respect it and i'm glad you feel the game is 'complete', Its honestly a great game as is.. Personally I haven't had the game to terribly long and there are already more guns / weapons that i'd LOVE to see added for the different classes of animals. Especially older civil and pre-civil war weapons. I will again say though that there are certain ammo types that need tweaked or looked at because they do not match the class animal they are intended for. Not all, but most certainly some.