Argus vs Hyperion Scope

[N1ck0]

Even though the Argus is the supposed most advanced one, it seems inferior in almost every way compared to the Hyperion.

More wobble, smaller view, more zoomed-in minimum range. The only advantage I think it has is more maximum zoom range? 50 vs 42?

I want to use it on my higher calibre rifle (Magnum .300), while using the Hyperion on the other medium calibre rifle I'm carrying, but every time I just feel like using the Hyperion on the .300 as well, as the other is so bad.

Is it just me? By the way I'll use the Hyperion on my main high calibre rifle when I use the Helios scope when carrying a Lever Action rifle as secondary. But I don't always do.

[N1ck0]

Escrito originalmente por Vazc0:

Escrito originalmente por ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

I like variety too. But I think this scope would need some minor adjustments to make it a bit better. Not necessarily better than the Hyperion, but at least less annoying. Either make it so it doesn't zoom-in so close, or make the glass around the eye bigger, with less black rubber taking the view.

Also not sure why it is more blurry than the Hyperion when the description claims it is fog-proof etc. I never noticed any rain, snow, or fog having any effects on the scopes anyway. So that's pretty much only BS.

But you would think they would make the default view of that scope clearer at least.

my main problem with the argus is that i like to see the shot connect. not only for easier follow ups if needed. its just more satisfying and comfy with the hyperion. a tripod rest or the ability to rest/stabilize my gun when in a hunting stand could make me use it a bit more

Yes, that is not a bad idea. I too hate not being able to see the shot connect. And it is very difficult to take a second shot after the recoil with that scope being that the view is so small. With the Hyperion it is a walk in the park.

Maybe the Hyperion is too good in itself. I don't know.

[MetalMind85]

When I think about it, sometimes it just doesn't matter if you use Hyperion or Argus, because the wobbling in this game is predictable as hell. If you hold the breath, the aiming dot ALWAYS rotate clockwise and you just aim little higher and wait till the center of sight will match the target, then click the mouse. It is that simple. I would like to have the wobbling completely unpredictable.

[N1ck0]

Escrito originalmente por metalmind85:

When I think about it, sometimes it just doesn't matter if you use Hyperion or Argus, because the wobbling in this game is predictable as hell. If you hold the breath, the aiming dot ALWAYS rotate clockwise and you just aim little higher and wait till the center of sight will match the target, then click the mouse. It is that simple. I would like to have the wobbling completely unpredictable.

LOL. The Argus would be even more of a pain in the ass to use then. But it would be okay with the Hyperion I guess. Maybe you have no issues yourself because you predict the recoil, but forget about it for me.

And I'm not the best AIMer, but I don't suck either, and got a pretty precise mouse that is well tweaked to my style. You just have to check my screenshots to see I got a bunch of Gold kills. ASAIK you need to pass all the checks for that.

Got some pretty nice long range kills too among them.

[Vazc0]

Escrito originalmente por metalmind85:

When I think about it, sometimes it just doesn't matter if you use Hyperion or Argus, because the wobbling in this game is predictable as hell. If you hold the breath, the aiming dot ALWAYS rotate clockwise and you just aim little higher and wait till the center of sight will match the target, then click the mouse. It is that simple. I would like to have the wobbling completely unpredictable.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2115929274
for me the problem is not that its hard to aim with. id say its just less fun to aim with the argus. even though i like aiming with my breath and not with my hands

the view is very restricted and i need to pull back very fast to see if i got a good hit. its possible, but less comfy than the hyperion

[N1ck0]

Same for me.

[MetalMind85]

Escrito originalmente por Vazc0:

Escrito originalmente por metalmind85:

When I think about it, sometimes it just doesn't matter if you use Hyperion or Argus, because the wobbling in this game is predictable as hell. If you hold the breath, the aiming dot ALWAYS rotate clockwise and you just aim little higher and wait till the center of sight will match the target, then click the mouse. It is that simple. I would like to have the wobbling completely unpredictable.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2115929274
for me the problem is not that its hard to aim with. id say its just less fun to aim with the argus. even though i like aiming with my breath and not with my hands

the view is very restricted and i need to pull back very fast to see if i got a good hit. its possible, but less comfy than the hyperion

Man, great Diamond on great range! Congratulations :)

[El Dandy]

The wobble makes the Argus pretty much not worth it. I use the Hyperion 95% of the time. You don't need the Argus, IMO.

[N1ck0]

Escrito originalmente por igormania575:

The wobble makes the Argus pretty much not worth it. I use the Hyperion 95% of the time. You don't need the Argus, IMO.

I know I don't need it. My point is, you grind your rifle score, all excited to unlock stuff. Then comes the time for the "la-crème-de-la-crème" in matters of scopes....And you get THIS .

I agree there should be downsides to every scopes, so that even the lower-tier ones still stay relevant. But they didn't need to make the Argus with so many annoyances.

I think it makes sense that considering it's bigger glass, it's minimum zoom-in is far away, thus making it wobble more. But they didn't need to make it kind of blurry compared to the Hyperion, and with almost half the view blocked by some huge rubber eye-rest.

I don't know if it has an higher weight, I'm not in-game right now. But it wouldn't surprise me it doesn't. THAT would have made sense as another downside. Instead they decide to make it just bad all-around except for extremely long ranging, and still, the Hyperion can do the job pretty much the same in that department.

SO why even bother as you say.

[N1ck0]

Hey, totally off topic, but to avoid starting another thread just for this, I want to ask guys if you still read here and know. Do you unlock a final skill/perk point at level 60?

Because I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I unlocked one point at level 58. So if it's every three levels (which is another dumb thing about this game, we're not playing a damn action RPG here where character build needs to be limited for diversity), it implies that there's not even a final skill point when maxed-out?

Unless I'm mistaking and unlocked a point at lvl 57. But I'm pretty sure I unlocked one at 58. I think I'm now 59. Near the end.

With the intention of playing a bunch more, but with 0 progression after that. All weapons' scores are pretty much maxed-out too on my side, as well as having pretty much all the gear.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

I almost never carry Argus, too small field of view, extra thick tube that covers up the edges and harder to properly aim.
Hyperion is always been my favorite and I have no problem making 300-400 m shots with it.

[Geronimo]

Argus is great for getting a spot on a target that the bonus or hyper ion cant.

Many times I'll see a couple nice animals in a zone, and want to thoroughly scan around them to see if that level 3,5 or 9 is right there in a Bush next to them, which can only be seen with the argus.

But it's a quick and easy change. I usually have the hyper ion on my rifles, unless I know I am going to be shooting long range.

Trying to use the Argo within 150 yards is near impossible to hold on target.

Sometimes I will have the argo on s smaller caliber, and just switch to that weapon when I need the extra spotting power. This is handy when you are hunting smaller animals like roe deer and canine which are much smaller targets.

[McSqurl Nugget]

Escrito originalmente por ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

Even though the Argus is the supposed most advanced one, it seems inferior in almost every way compared to the Hyperion.

More wobble, smaller view, more zoomed-in minimum range. The only advantage I think it has is more maximum zoom range? 50 vs 42?

I want to use it on my higher calibre rifle (Magnum .300), while using the Hyperion on the other medium calibre rifle I'm carrying, but every time I just feel like using the Hyperion on the .300 as well, as the other is so bad.

Is it just me? By the way I'll use the Hyperion on my main high calibre rifle when I use the Helios scope when carrying a Lever Action rifle as secondary. But I don't always do.

You've got the numbers confused. Argus is 8-16x50, simply means the scope has a variable zoom, which gives you the option to zoom in and out, its 8-16 times normal eyesight, and the 50 number is the diameter of the object lens, in this case 50mm. the larger the number the larger your FOV from the scope is.

I only use the Argus, if they're too close that it becomes a hinderance i remove it and use the iron sights. close as you can get in the game to using tall rings on your scope and looking through them to use the iron sights IRL.

[N1ck0]

Escrito originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

I almost never carry Argus, too small field of view, extra thick tube that covers up the edges and harder to properly aim.
Hyperion is always been my favorite and I have no problem making 300-400 m shots with it.

Yep, my thought exactly.

[McSqurl Nugget]

Escrito originalmente por ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

Escrito originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

I almost never carry Argus, too small field of view, extra thick tube that covers up the edges and harder to properly aim.
Hyperion is always been my favorite and I have no problem making 300-400 m shots with it.

Yep, my thought exactly.

i've always hated that the better hte scope the thicker they make the tube. ruins the whole point of it. you don't get a larger FOV like you should (50mm compared to 40mm with the hyperion). tube thickness shouldn't change between any of the scopes.

[N1ck0]

Escrito originalmente por McSqurl Nugget:

Escrito originalmente por ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

Yep, my thought exactly.

i've always hated that the better hte scope the thicker they make the tube. ruins the whole point of it. you don't get a larger FOV like you should (50mm compared to 40mm with the hyperion). tube thickness shouldn't change between any of the scopes.

It certainly doesn't feel like it's only a 10mm difference. But if we want to get into technicalities, it's still a 20% difference, and that 20% makes a huge impact on screen, especially when it zooms farther as base default.

I can be great at Math if I apply myself, but when you take a bunch of pills everyday, and you're tired as ♥♥♥♥, you tend to overlook the numbers. I try to just explain it as I feel it. English is also my second language, so even though I've spoken (mostly written) it for years, there's still things I have difficulty with describing.

Like you both guys calling it FOV, when I don't know what the hell I called it LOL. "Area of view" I think. Same with "minimum zoom" or "base default". Just not sure if I always use the proper terms.

I'm also not 100% sure the glass of the Argus is blurrier/less clear, but it feels as such. Like I said, I often make the mistake these days of just describing it as I feel it. Not necessarily doing the Math, or doing a proper side by side comparison.

But anyways, what the guy I quoted said resumes what I feel about that scope in a pretty short sentence. Scope should weight more if it doesn't already (still didn't check again, forgot), would make sense because of the bigger, thicker glass.

So that would count as a disadvantage, while making the scope better when you use it. Again, I know they won't do jack about it, I just started that thread to know if I was the only guy noticing those things.

I just want my SPACE Handbreak and Grizzly Calls back. LOL