Argus vs Hyperion Scope

[N1ck0]

Even though the Argus is the supposed most advanced one, it seems inferior in almost every way compared to the Hyperion.

More wobble, smaller view, more zoomed-in minimum range. The only advantage I think it has is more maximum zoom range? 50 vs 42?

I want to use it on my higher calibre rifle (Magnum .300), while using the Hyperion on the other medium calibre rifle I'm carrying, but every time I just feel like using the Hyperion on the .300 as well, as the other is so bad.

Is it just me? By the way I'll use the Hyperion on my main high calibre rifle when I use the Helios scope when carrying a Lever Action rifle as secondary. But I don't always do.

[N1ck0]

By the way, I'm carrying two rifles, one shotgun, one handgun, and one bow or crossbow at all times. All the while carrying multiple callers, sights (one for each weapon), and a couple of consumables (medpacks and scent eliminator).

All the while having no bag at all, not even the small one. For minimum noise. I'm like a ninja pack mule. I manage this with the Pack Mule perk. I don't do this out of need, but out of being able to use any type of weapon I feel depending the situation, not necessarily the ammo needed for X or Y animal.

And I just LOVE rifles. So having 2 different ones at all times is something I enjoy.

[[1stWTVIR] Vin Tanner]

It's not just you. I have both scopes but I don't use the "advanced" scope.

[N1ck0]

Originally posted by Vin Tanner:

It's not just you. I have both scopes but I don't use the "advanced" scope.

Yeah, it's pretty crap huh? Pretty much only useful for VERY long range shooting. 300-400 meters+

[Hanuman]

I enjoy using it on large herds. It goes well with the .300 but that's about all i use it for. I've seen videos of people more advanced in this game than I am, who swear by the Argus for rabbit hunting. It's a pricey scope but a nice tool to have. I noticed that at level 30+ roubles are easy to come by. So even if you feel you wasted money on the Argus, no worries. I am getting the 5 pin bow scope today, eventhough the rangefinding one is "better".

[N1ck0]

Nah I have 200k+$ And bought almost everything. That's not the issue. I was just wondering if I was the only one who found the scope not as good as the Hyperion.

[jal273]

I like using the Argus for my 300 -400 meters shot and it also zooms in better then the bino's

[N1ck0]

Originally posted by jal273:

I like using the Argus for my 300 -400 meters shot and it also zooms in better then the bino's

Yeah, I don't use binos at all since I got the spot with scope perk. Argus is good for 300-400m, but it means you have to swap every time, instead of letting it sit on one rifle all the time. Kind of annoying. There's already the fact you have to go into the menu every time you want to switch ammo. Don't understand why there's still no switch ammo type key assignment in this game.

The description of the scope doesn't fit at all it's utility (stating it is state of the art, fog resistant etc.). Since it's the last rifle scope unlock, it should be good all around in my opinion. The Hyperion is. Not only should the Argus be better at long range, it should be better at medium range too.

But I'm not a scope expert in real life. Maybe scopes that have longer range capabilities are restrictive at closer range due to their bigger glasses. It may justify more wobbling, and it having a farther minimum zoom, but it should at least not have such a small circular sight, and be less blurry. The Hyperion not only has a bigger circular sight around the eye, it is clearer.

With the Argos, it's like there's a huge rubber ring around where you put the eye taking almost half the space for visibility. Not sure how to describe it better in English, my main language is French.

[Machin Shin]

I dont need it for shoots on 300 to 400. And therefore its often not worth the weight. But if you know that you only want do long shoots its a good option

[Vazc0]

it doesnt have ''more wobble'' its just more noticable because of the increased zoom.

i recommend aiming with your breath and not not with your mouse. (instead of fighting the ''wobble'')

try to put the crosshair in the general direction of your target (for example over the shoulder) then hold your breath and just wait for the crosshair to drop down to the spot you want to hit. ( w/o moving the mouse)

i carry both scopes but i use the 8x scope for most shots up to 300m and rarely switch to the 16x scope for 300-400m shots.

[MetalMind85]

I carry Argus for .243 to hunt foxes and coyotes, as Hyperion has smallest magnification on .243 (and biggest on .223 and airgun) which is really frustrating.

[N1ck0]

Originally posted by Vazc0:

it doesnt have ''more wobble'' its just more noticable because of the increased zoom.

i recommend aiming with your breath and not not with your mouse. (instead of fighting the ''wobble'')

try to put the crosshair in the general direction of your target (for example over the shoulder) then hold your breath and just wait for the crosshair to drop down to the spot you want to hit. ( w/o moving the mouse)

i carry both scopes but i use the 8x scope for most shots up to 300m and rarely switch to the 16x scope for 300-400m shots.

That's what I meant by more wobble. Since the minimum zoom is further. Jeez...There's no tips that changes the fact this scope is inferior to the Hyperion in general, when it shouldn't be in my opinion.

The fact you need tips to "master" it proves my point. It's quite simple. You trade off an overall better scope that is the Hyperion for a small increase in view range. And I'll deal with it as such. I just wanted to know if I was the only one to notice what I pointed out.

[N1ck0]

Originally posted by metalmind85:

I carry Argus for .243 to hunt foxes and coyotes, as Hyperion has smallest magnification on .243 (and biggest on .223 and airgun) which is really frustrating.

The fact the minimum view range is so far is the cherry on top though. Eliminate that and it wouldn't be as bad. It's the fact that you begin with an already smaller sight around the eye, a blurrier glass, and as soon as you zoom-in it wobbles. Even if you put it on minimum view range every time.

And I got skills to reduce wobble if I'm not mistaking. Wouldn't even begin to imagine without them.

[Vazc0]

Originally posted by ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

Originally posted by Vazc0:

it doesnt have ''more wobble'' its just more noticable because of the increased zoom.

i recommend aiming with your breath and not not with your mouse. (instead of fighting the ''wobble'')

try to put the crosshair in the general direction of your target (for example over the shoulder) then hold your breath and just wait for the crosshair to drop down to the spot you want to hit. ( w/o moving the mouse)

i carry both scopes but i use the 8x scope for most shots up to 300m and rarely switch to the 16x scope for 300-400m shots.

That's what I meant by more wobble. Since the minimum zoom is further. Jeez...There's no tips that changes the fact this scope is inferior to the Hyperion in general, when it shouldn't be in my opinion.

The fact you need tips to "master" it proves my point. It's quite simple. You trade off an overall better scope that is the Hyperion for a small increase in view range. And I'll deal with it as such. I just wanted to know if I was the only one to notice what I pointed out.

i do prefer the hyperion too. but for me its about variety. i dont need the argus to be better, i need it to be something i use at very long range from time to time.

i would prefer having more scopes with different crosshairs. i dont need better ones, just something different to look at/through.

[N1ck0]

Originally posted by Vazc0:

Originally posted by ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

That's what I meant by more wobble. Since the minimum zoom is further. Jeez...There's no tips that changes the fact this scope is inferior to the Hyperion in general, when it shouldn't be in my opinion.

The fact you need tips to "master" it proves my point. It's quite simple. You trade off an overall better scope that is the Hyperion for a small increase in view range. And I'll deal with it as such. I just wanted to know if I was the only one to notice what I pointed out.

i do prefer the hyperion too. but for me its about variety. i dont need the argus to be better, i need it to be something i use at very long range from time to time.

i would prefer having more scopes with different crosshairs. i dont need better ones, just something different to look at/through.

I like variety too. But I think this scope would need some minor adjustments to make it a bit better. Not necessarily better than the Hyperion, but at least less annoying. Either make it so it doesn't zoom-in so close, or make the glass around the eye bigger, with less black rubber taking the view.

Also not sure why it is less clear than the Hyperion when the description claims it is fog-proof etc. I never noticed any rain, snow, or fog having any effects on the scopes anyway. So that's pretty much only BS.

But you would think they would at least make the default view of that scope clearer. I know no changes are gonna happen though, so I'll deal with it, it's not the end of the world. But it is asinine in my opinion. And again, just wanted to know if I was the only one noticing those things.

[Vazc0]

Originally posted by ☪︎NickEclipse☪:

Originally posted by Vazc0:

i do prefer the hyperion too. but for me its about variety. i dont need the argus to be better, i need it to be something i use at very long range from time to time.

i would prefer having more scopes with different crosshairs. i dont need better ones, just something different to look at/through.

I like variety too. But I think this scope would need some minor adjustments to make it a bit better. Not necessarily better than the Hyperion, but at least less annoying. Either make it so it doesn't zoom-in so close, or make the glass around the eye bigger, with less black rubber taking the view.

Also not sure why it is more blurry than the Hyperion when the description claims it is fog-proof etc. I never noticed any rain, snow, or fog having any effects on the scopes anyway. So that's pretty much only BS.

But you would think they would make the default view of that scope clearer at least.

my main problem with the argus is that i like to see the shot connect. not only for easier follow ups if needed. its just more satisfying and comfy with the hyperion. a tripod rest or the ability to rest/stabilize my gun when in a hunting stand could make me use it a bit more