Diamonds today

[Nippur]

Hello, I heard there's some kind of bug with some animal levels. Are diamonds spawning?
I only found a diamond water buffalo.
What do we know about this?

[McSqurl Nugget]

What do we know? that animal spawns are random. there's posts here with people getting multiple diamonds since the Scoring 2.0 release, i've gotten 3 myself.

Don't believe everything you hear ;)

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by cwattyeso:

Basically since the Scoring 2.0 update, a lot of animals are not giving the correct scores. People are saying its only effecting animals that have had the TruRac updates, but others are saying it also effects non-TruRac animals.

From my own experience over the last week hunting many max level animals (Level 5 Medium Moose, Level 9 Legendary Grizzly Bears and Level 5 Medium Plains Bison) and they have only been coming out as Gold when harvested. Not Diamond like they should.

Started a new save game on Hirschfelden at the Weekend, been hunting that about 8 hours IRL each day since. Shot a few Level 3 Very Easy Roe Deer, Level 5 Medium Fallow Deer, Level 5 Medium European Bison and a single Level 9 Legendary Red Deer and most have been coming out as Silver, not even making Gold which says the scoring is broken.

Expansive Worlds Developers even said as much during their Twitch Livestream yesterday when showing off the future Muzzleloader from their next DLC Weapon Pack. They said a Patch will becoming around the same time as the DLC release, to fix the scoring. In the meantime if you find any max level animals during your hunts, you are better off not shooting them, as they wont harvest with the right score.

i haven't seen this. I've gotten 3 diamonds since 2.0. other posts here in the forums have said they've gotten more.

[Nippur]

Thank you

[jimco]

I have harvested 13 Diamonds in 13 days of play and only 5 were TruRac animals.

[Snail Rancher]

Originally posted by cwattyeso:

From my own experience over the last week hunting many max level animals (Level 5 Medium Moose, Level 9 Legendary Grizzly Bears and Level 5 Medium Plains Bison) and they have only been coming out as Gold when harvested. Not Diamond like they should.

But it is not the case that highest level = auto Diamond (assuming shot well), and it never has been. I think the issue now, post-Scoring 2.0, is that weight no longer figures in to the scoring with most animals; the score is only based on the Trophy Score (i.e., horns, antlers in most cases). If a upper level animal, even a heavy one, doesn't have a big rack, it will not be a Diamond. Conversely, a light weight, less-than-highest level animal might be a Diamond if the Trophy Score is high enough due to it having an amazing rack. This is also why, for example, female deer cannot be Diamonds (no antlers = no Trophy Score) but female ibex and gemsbok can (as well as female hares since their Trophy is their weight).

Obviously this is not the case with animals where the weight is, in fact, the Trophy Score (hares, birds, etc.)

Essentially the entire Medal system is at best a super-rough guide (but not completely accurate) or at worst entirely worthless and should be removed as being misleading. Classic does not have a Medal system, but relies totally on the score. The difficultly there is knowing if you harvested a "good" animal or not until you learn just what the numbers mean.

[Mr. Ed]

I harvested a Mouflon yesterday. On the Tru-Rac screen there was a 1 point difference between the TruRac scoring on the right side of the page and the animals TR shown on the left side of the page. I also harvested 2ea Mouflon with a TR range beginning at 161 yet both only had actual TRs in the mid 150s. Finally, on Becite Ibex the max TR shown when you put the spot on them is 277 which implies that somewhere out there at least one such animal has been created. I don't believe in Bigfoot and I don't believe there is one out there with a TR of 277.

If you've played the game long enough you know that it is fairly common to find that animals are closer to the minimum weight rather than the upper weight shown in their tracks weight range. This is because they built far more animals with fat bodies and small horns/antlers than they did those with high TRs and skinny bodies. On the large animals (like moose or elk) there might be 1-2 kg heavier than the max weight of a level 4, making them a 5-Medium yet they could have a smaller TR than a level 4 standing next to them. Since the animals score was based upon a combination of weight and TR some max level animals were not diamonds. The frequency of this happening varied by species, but it's been happening all along and is not solely the result of 2.0.

Now that weight has been eliminated from the animals score the devs have raised the min TR necessary for a diamond for most of the species. That means we'll be finding more max level animals that are not diamonds than we were before 2.0 was introduced. Prepare to be frustrated.

[Vazc0]

Originally posted by cwattyeso:

From my own experience over the last week hunting many max level animals (Level 5 Medium Moose, Level 9 Legendary Grizzly Bears and Level 5 Medium Plains Bison) and they have only been coming out as Gold when harvested. Not Diamond like they should.

being max lvl doesnt mean they should be diamond. it just means that theres a good chance.

i've shot some max lvl animals in the last few days and i had the same results as before. some are diamond, some are not.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2015078948

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2006487359

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2001811399

i ruined this one by hitting it in the spine
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2015083032

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by cwattyeso:

I also think it's a very gross error on the game if a Max Level Animal doesn't make Diamond. I'm not trying to be funny here, but Level 9 Legendary Animals are quite rare, so when you do find and harvest one it should be Diamond. Okay if you screw up the Harvest Check, it becomes a Gold that's fine, teaches players to shoot and hunt correctly. However a Level 9 Legendary Animal if Harvested Correctly passing the Harvest Checks, should never ever come out as a Silver or lower. That's a joke and to me a bug with the game.

no they shouldn't by default be diamond. Like the others have said just because it's max level it may not have a diamond worthy trophy score.

all that max level means is it made it farther than others in life. It's smarter than the other animals. doesn't by default mean it's trophy is diamond.

[Vazc0]

Originally posted by cwattyeso:

It's interesting to note that apart from the Cape Buffalo, all your Diamonds are animals that have not been updated to support TruRacs, this just further confirms what a lot of people are seeing and what the Developers themselves confirmed, that it's the TruRac Animals rather then the Legacy that are having scoring errors. Maybe the Cape Buffalo is the only animal that has been TruRac Updated that actually gives diamonds because it's TruRac Update came with the Scoring 2.0 Update, so perhaps its the only animal that with TruRac that's working with the new score update.

I also think it's a very gross error on the game if a Max Level Animal doesn't make Diamond. I'm not trying to be funny here, but Level 9 Legendary Animals are quite rare, so when you do find and harvest one it should be Diamond. Okay if you screw up the Harvest Check, it becomes a Gold that's fine, teaches players to shoot and hunt correctly. However a Level 9 Legendary Animal if Harvested Correctly passing the Harvest Checks, should never ever come out as a Silver or lower. That's a joke and to me a bug with the game.

the bison has truracs