King 470DB Scope? :-(

[Moggosh [GER]]

Hey,

is there any Scope for this Weapon? In Description its like a Sniper Rifle for big Distances... Now i can't use a Scope? -.-

[❄️The Last Frontier 😊]

no as the devs were saying this morning the 470 has a heavier round in it so anything past about 150M's might not be a good shot due to the weight of the round which makes full sense so a scopes not really needed being it is more for closer up shots!

[Moggosh [GER]]

I never do shots less than 150m.... Can i get my Money back? ;D

[❄️The Last Frontier 😊]

Depends how long you have played on the DLC I think it's 2 hours or less or two weeks depending how often you were to play the game!

[Moggosh [GER]]

I love the DLC, but not this expensive Shotgun^^

[Narf]

Originally posted by The Last Frontier 😊:

no as the devs were saying this morning the 470 has a heavier round in it so anything past about 150M's might not be a good shot due to the weight of the round which makes full sense so a scopes not really needed being it is more for closer up shots!

That makes no sense at all. There are anti-materiel rifles like the Barrett, the Steyr HS .50, the DSR 50, the OSV-96 or the NTW-20 which fire way heavier rounds and have scopes mounted. A heavy round doesn't mean bad precision, it just means higher bullet drop unless compensated for with a stronger propellant charge. For accuracy, the shape of the bullet and the rifling as well as the quality of the barrel are important, not how heavy the round itself is.

[PicSoul]

Here's a good read on .470 ballistics which helps explain the short range.

http://gundata.org/cartridge/117/.470-nitro-express/

[whythecynic]

.470 FMJ? Dang, we can go full Karamojo Bell now? I'll have to update the guide...

[Vulpus_013]

Originally posted by Narf:

Originally posted by The Last Frontier 😊:

no as the devs were saying this morning the 470 has a heavier round in it so anything past about 150M's might not be a good shot due to the weight of the round which makes full sense so a scopes not really needed being it is more for closer up shots!

That makes no sense at all. There are anti-materiel rifles like the Barrett, the Steyr HS .50, the DSR 50, the OSV-96 or the NTW-20 which fire way heavier rounds and have scopes mounted. A heavy round doesn't mean bad precision, it just means higher bullet drop unless compensated for with a stronger propellant charge. For accuracy, the shape of the bullet and the rifling as well as the quality of the barrel are important, not how heavy the round itself is.

The .470 is not a sniper rifle. You will never see a double barrel sniper rifle either so that is not really a comparison. .470 is for big game at relatively short distances(Cape Buffalo, Elephants), mostly less than 100 yards, where you might need to put a second shot in quick.
It originated in 1907 so you can not in all sense expect the ranged performance of modern day high tech specialist rifles.

[Narf]

Originally posted by Vulpus_013:

Originally posted by Narf:

That makes no sense at all. There are anti-materiel rifles like the Barrett, the Steyr HS .50, the DSR 50, the OSV-96 or the NTW-20 which fire way heavier rounds and have scopes mounted. A heavy round doesn't mean bad precision, it just means higher bullet drop unless compensated for with a stronger propellant charge. For accuracy, the shape of the bullet and the rifling as well as the quality of the barrel are important, not how heavy the round itself is.

The .470 is not a sniper rifle. You will never see a double barrel sniper rifle either so that is not really a comparison. .470 is for big game at relatively short distances(Cape Buffalo, Elephants), mostly less than 100 yards, where you might need to put a second shot in quick.
It originated in 1907 so you can not in all sense expect the ranged performance of modern day high tech specialist rifles.

The crossbow is also barely usable at anything above 50-60m because it loses so much accuracy at range, yet we have a scope for it. Same for shotguns. The 470 still was pretty precise for me at 80-90m, haven't tried any larger distance with it yet. So if the crossbow and shotgun can have a scope as an even shorter ranged weapon, so can the 470. The "but it's not a sniper weapon" is a poor excuse which is not backed by logic or by what we already have ingame.

[❄️The Last Frontier 😊]

Originally posted by Narf:

Originally posted by Vulpus_013:

The .470 is not a sniper rifle. You will never see a double barrel sniper rifle either so that is not really a comparison. .470 is for big game at relatively short distances(Cape Buffalo, Elephants), mostly less than 100 yards, where you might need to put a second shot in quick.
It originated in 1907 so you can not in all sense expect the ranged performance of modern day high tech specialist rifles.

The crossbow is also barely usable at anything above 50-60m because it loses so much accuracy at range, yet we have a scope for it. Same for shotguns. The 470 still was pretty precise for me at 80-90m, haven't tried any larger distance with it yet. So if the crossbow and shotgun can have a scope as an even shorter ranged weapon, so can the 470. The "but it's not a sniper weapon" is a poor excuse which is not backed by logic or by what we already have ingame.

Right and as I said the devs this morning discussed the range of the 470 and I forget exactly but it was either 100M or 150M really maxed out for the 470 due to the weight of the round is how they described it which makes sense as it's an animal stopper more for up close shots!

And matters not if you think it is or isn't good at range it isn't designed for ranger. It is not sniper material

[Narf]

Originally posted by The Last Frontier 😊:

Originally posted by Narf:

The crossbow is also barely usable at anything above 50-60m because it loses so much accuracy at range, yet we have a scope for it. Same for shotguns. The 470 still was pretty precise for me at 80-90m, haven't tried any larger distance with it yet. So if the crossbow and shotgun can have a scope as an even shorter ranged weapon, so can the 470. The "but it's not a sniper weapon" is a poor excuse which is not backed by logic or by what we already have ingame.

Right and as I said the devs this morning discussed the range of the 470 and I forget exactly but it was either 100M or 150M really maxed out for the 470 due to the weight of the round is how they described it which makes sense as it's an animal stopper more for up close shots!

And matters not if you think it is or isn't good at range it isn't designed for ranger. It is not sniper material

What part of "even shorter ranged weapons with higher projectile drop have scopes, so the short range is not a viable excuse" was too hard for you to grasp? At 100 to 150m it has double to triple the viable range of a crossbow - which we have a scope for. Shotguns too are close-range weapons and get a scope.

It's plain obvious they don't want us to "overuse" the weapon so they make it artificially hard to utilize by putting the ammo cost at a point where it is close to being prohibitively expensive and by making it iron sights only. But I expect them to at least give us the proper reasoning instead of expecting us to buy their BS about its effective range. That's just insulting.

[Gangrene]

YES, there is a new scope to go with the new weapon.

[❄️The Last Frontier 😊]

Originally posted by Narf:

What part of "even shorter ranged weapons with higher projectile drop have scopes, so the short range is not a viable excuse" was too hard for you to grasp? At 100 to 150m it has double to triple the viable range of a crossbow - which we have a scope for. Shotguns too are close-range weapons and get a scope.

It's plain obvious they don't want us to "overuse" the weapon so they make it artificially hard to utilize by putting the ammo cost at a point where it is close to being prohibitively expensive and by making it iron sights only. But I expect them to at least give us the proper reasoning instead of expecting us to buy their BS about its effective range. That's just insulting.

Number 1 that red dot iron sight you don't need a scope for and they do have a scope for the rifle not great magnification but they do have one.

The only animal you would use that thing on is the Cape buffalo not exactly a small animal and quite easy to hit with iron sights and you're talking to a guy who wears glasses and is middle age and I can hit it with iron sights.

[Moriarty]

Originally posted by Narf:

Originally posted by The Last Frontier 😊:

What part of "even shorter ranged weapons with higher projectile drop have scopes, so the short range is not a viable excuse" was too hard for you to grasp? At 100 to 150m it has double to triple the viable range of a crossbow - which we have a scope for. Shotguns too are close-range weapons and get a scope.

It's plain obvious they don't want us to "overuse" the weapon so they make it artificially hard to utilize by putting the ammo cost at a point where it is close to being prohibitively expensive and by making it iron sights only. But I expect them to at least give us the proper reasoning instead of expecting us to buy their BS about its effective range. That's just insulting.

Narf, Google 2 things:
1. Videos of people hunting dangerous game with nitro express double rifles. See how they're used. Note the ranges they are used at. Try to find a scope on any of them. Extremely rare.
2. Compare the price of 20 rounds of .270 rifle ammunition to the price for the same amount of .470 nitro.
If none of that info shines some light into this dark corner you're stuck in then you'll just have to be happy being unhappy. PS: I own and have hunted with a Merkel double in .375 H&H magnum

[saphire jinn]

the red dot sight that everyone hates, as i have said in several posts, is a common sight you will find on military grade weapons, the SEALS use them on their H&K 417 rifles.
The sight is designed for rapid target acquisition and when you have a charging 1700 lb angry buffalo coming at you, with intent to kill, rapid target acquisition comes in very handy.
This weapon is meant for close up work, its not a standard hunting rifle, myself, i love having a second round waiting for me for those special moments. only problem with this weapon is its heavy as hell to hump out there in the bush all day.