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The Lymans Sharps 45-70 ( of which i have a real one ) was used for competitions and still is being used today for that, for 900-1200 yard shots!!......Obviously, at that range, an animal beign hit with this caliber would only tickle them!!....But its very effective up to 400 yds.... I also have the Marlin 45-70 18" barrel lever action wich is the equivalent here to the Coachman that they have in this game,, primarily for brush close in work as we all know...This caliber is underpowered no matter where you hit the animal......To make it simple.... The 45-70 in this game should be as effective as the .338 is on long distance, in this game, and its not.... But yet, they make the .454 NITRO, revolver wich is the copy of the original .454 Casull, as powerfull or more as the .338..... Making the .454 in this game be more powerful than the 45-70,,, Nonsense !!!
Okay, well, look dude, I do agree the lever action in the game, 30-30 and 45-70 have a penalty. The lever's do feel like they aren't that impressive up close, and a 100m shot, can go surprisingly badly. Like missing a lung and hitting a spleen sort of wrong.
The lever's have always been given a penalty compared to the bolt action rifles, even in classic. I'm personally do think they need to be rebalanced, and given a greater range and accuracy. Right now they perform so badly compared to any of the bolts actions that they aren't that useful.
I have had some great moments, if the shot is on point, and it's against the right animal close up. It can take them off their feet, very satisfying. But it's rare. You gotta be steady and ready. And if it's a whim shot, where you see and animal and quickly take a shot, it usually goes not where it was meant too.
This games really got your passions over flowing :)
In theory with that pice of lead for bullet you shouldn't be sniping for brain or spinal. One or two well placed shoulder shots must stop a bull on his tracks.
WIKI for you....
While the effective range of the .45-70 on individual targets was limited to about 1,000 yards (915 m) with either load, the heavier bullet would produce lethal injuries at 3,500 yards (3,200 m). At those ranges, the bullets struck point-first at a roughly 30 degree angle, penetrating three 1-inch (2.5 cm) thick oak boards, and then traveling to a depth of 8 inches (20 cm) into the sand of the Sandy Hook beach
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lots of theory that isnt usable or reprudocable in reality...the .45-70 got about 1500fps at v0, modern ones still have 1500fps at v200 everything beyond that, the fps are going down heavily....on 1000yrds its probably bout 200m/s (a cheap .22 hv is faster)...on 1000yrds the intrinsically scatter of a 45-70 is like a 2 meter radius, without wind, coriolis or humidity! Not to talk about the 3000m nonsense.. theres a reason why even professional snipers (with .50cal, pls dont talk about craig harrisons war propaganda one shots with the .338 lapua on 2.5km) need about 2-3-5 Shots on distances like this to get even close to the target....also humans or animals dont stand still like a shooting range target.
Also there is no "Shock" effect...get your facts right!!! Only Shotgun ammo (2mm-6mm) kills with a impact shock/hydrostatic shock = the bullets dont need to penetrate the target but the massive impact kills because of the big strike area...
These Calibers cannot be equated to their real counterparts, this is a game, all you get is small, medium and Large. Don't bother trying to use real life metrics, you will drive yourself crazy.
it may be a load of lead...a stone to head also kills you ;) But a slowed down heavy bullet works more like a arrow or bolt from a bow/xbow, the power of a hunting bullet comes from the expansion of the bullet on the impact. In every rl hunting situation i would prefer a small and fast bullet than a slow big bullet. Ive experienced how a 12/89 slug (bout 350m/s and 580 grain) wasnt able to kill a good hog (95kg) on 30m the slug was stuck on the shoulder bone... the second hit from a .308 from 80m downed it instantly.....
Really dude, Classic. Your gonna pay the monthly subs and maybe more for a game with the same issues the lever actions have in COTW, a game you only had to buy once?!
The lever action rifles have always been given a penalty compared to the bolt actions.
As far as I'm aware Bolt action rifles are always more accurate and have better distance than levers. Just by the mechanics of how a lever action works.
The problem with the lever in COTW, it that the ammo is rated at 75m max effective range.
The bolt action ammo is rated at 150m.
I personally think 75m max for the levers is ridiculous. Hell, the bolt actions being rated at 150m is face palm, frowny face!!
The bolts should have a max effective range of 250m and the levers should get 200m.
The rifles would need to have their accuracy and range tweaked to match.
But that's the real problem within the game. I've taken shots at animal just over 100m with the lever's and I've missed the vitals.
Hopefully if enough noise is made, the dev’s might tweak the lever actions.