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KaiEr Feb 23, 2018 @ 7:11am
Albino question.
I've taken an albino in pretty much every species on the original two maps (along with several piebald, a few melanistic and a few blackgold hogs). But I've always just played "knowing" I wouldn't see an albino black bear because I was lead to believe it wouldn't happen with all of the multiple color variations already programmed in.

However, the brown bear also has several color variations, and hogs also have the "blackgold" variation, and I've shot albinos for both of them.

Has anyone ever taken an albino black bear? Seems sort of "off" for albinism to be natural for creatures, but left off of black bears in game.
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PicSoul Feb 23, 2018 @ 7:35am 
Albino American Black bear does not exist ( I think there is some debate on this) so I doubt you will see them in the game.

There is a rare subspecies of the American Black bear called the Kermode bear that is White but those are not in the game as far as I know.
TarjaS Feb 23, 2018 @ 7:58am 
Originally posted by PicSoul:
Albino American Black bear does not exist ( I think there is some debate on this) so I doubt you will see them in the game.

I don't know about the game, but IRL there are albino black bears. Albinism is a genetic defect and can happen in any mammals.
Rookie-31st Feb 23, 2018 @ 8:13am 
Kermode bear has relatively large number of white fur variation, but those are not true albinos.

Albinos have other pigmentation defects in addition to fur. Their noses are pink, and eyes are usually red, because their body is not capable of producing pigments. Kenmode bears do not have this problem. They have white fur, but otherwise they are normal.

So far, I have not seen any albino in the game except special fallow deer from one of the missions. From all rare furs, I have seen two blond bears and one blackgold boar.

I think albino black bear should exist in this game, if it doesn't, but it is extremely rare in nature so I wouldn't even bother if I never see it

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KaiEr Feb 23, 2018 @ 9:08am 
Originally posted by TarjaS:
Originally posted by PicSoul:
Albino American Black bear does not exist ( I think there is some debate on this) so I doubt you will see them in the game.

I don't know about the game, but IRL there are albino black bears. Albinism is a genetic defect and can happen in any mammals.

Right, there are albino black bear. Kermode is simply a subspecies with a lighter fur coloration (less pigmentation in the fur), while albinism is a defect that effects anything with pigmentation, not just hair. Even polar bear (being all white fur) are not albino, yet there can be albino polar bear (where their eyes, skin and so forth lack pigmentation).

Like the difference between my all-white piebald bison and an albino bison.
PicSoul Feb 23, 2018 @ 9:23am 
I know, that's why I mentioned the Kermode bear is White and did not say it was an Albino.:steamhappy:

I can't seem to find any credible article that discusses a true Albino American Black bear only a few articles that discuss the Kermode Bear.

I did find a couple articles from sites that give off a www.notlegit.com vibe, that did show some photos of what appear to be true Albino Black bears (pink eyes/nose) but they don't seem very credible and I've only found two.

So.... either they are so rare that adding them to the game wouldn't make any sense or they simply don't exist.

Either way, No, there is no Albino Black bear in the game.
PicSoul Feb 23, 2018 @ 10:12am 
Yep, those are the two articles I found also.

The first one seems odd and I'm not sure I believe the story. I live in Pennsylvania and we have stories of Black Panthers all the time. Though there has never been proof and even the Eastern Mountain lion has not been proven to be around for many many years. Still doesn't stop people from claiming they've seen one or the media reporting on it.

The second article mentions at the end.

"The cub, which is estimated at 5-months-old, has a light cream or caramel color that’s not exactly white, but scientists were still looking for a clear shot of pink-blue colored eyes to confirm it’s an albino."

That fact and the fact that it was in seen in Britsh Columbia makes me think it is more likely a Kermode bear and not an Albino.
TarjaS Feb 23, 2018 @ 12:42pm 
For example, search for: Albus albino black bear
You'll get a picture of a real albino, just check the nose and eyes.
PicSoul Feb 23, 2018 @ 1:36pm 
Information on Albus seems to be pretty hard to come by. I found two identical articles from the same day in 2010 and then one from 2009 saying he died. The photo does show a bear with pink eyes and nose. Interesting that Albus is/was? also from Britsh Columbia. I wonder if it's possible that the Kermode bear can be Albino?

So in all these years we only have photos of two suspected Albino Black bear? Even the super rare Kermode bear has many many photos out there so it seems odd that if there are true Albino Black bears that in 2018 and with the help of Google we can only find two that might be real.
KaiEr Feb 23, 2018 @ 2:17pm 
Originally posted by PicSoul:
Information on Albus seems to be pretty hard to come by. I found two identical articles from the same day in 2010 and then one from 2009 saying he died. The photo does show a bear with pink eyes and nose. Interesting that Albus is/was? also from Britsh Columbia. I wonder if it's possible that the Kermode bear can be Albino?

So in all these years we only have photos of two suspected Albino Black bear? Even the super rare Kermode bear has many many photos out there so it seems odd that if there are true Albino Black bears that in 2018 and with the help of Google we can only find two that might be real.

The Kermode bear is simply a subspecies, and it isn't rare, it's not even listed on an endangered or threatened list. Within that subspecies they have a color variation of white (less than a thousand of them). Anyone wanting to take a picture of a "white bear" is going to have plenty of chances, knowing where the range of a species with white color variations live. With albinism being a genetic defect, not a genetic trait that's bread/carried over often, it's going to be rare.

And then you have the issue of people mislabeling white bears as albino, so most of the results you are going to see are white bears - not alibino.

You have to do some true searching for actual albino bear articles/pictures, but they are out there.

http://www.hungryhorsenews.com/hungryhorsenews/news/article_ce1a8f80-f1df-5ed8-8aa0-166d5d6171bb.html

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20071120/news/71120001

https://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2009/07/would-you-shoot-albino-game-animal#page-8


TarjaS Feb 24, 2018 @ 12:00am 
Albinos being born is rare to begin with and considering that they have less of a chance to survive until adulthood due to lack of camouflage and maybe some health issues related to albinism (not to mention possible extra aggression they may face from others of the same species), it is no wonder they aren't seen that often.
cocoayoc Feb 24, 2018 @ 8:02am 
i've played 568 hours and i have yet to see a single Albino still. is it all just luck spotting one?
Krempi Feb 24, 2018 @ 9:05am 
Originally posted by cocoayoc:
i've played 568 hours and i have yet to see a single Albino still. is it all just luck spotting one?

Pretty much. I'm at 90 hours and have killed 2 Piebalds as the only color variations while a buddy of mine already shot 2 Albinos with a playtime of 60 hours.
KaiEr Feb 24, 2018 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by cocoayoc:
i've played 568 hours and i have yet to see a single Albino still. is it all just luck spotting one?

I've tried to explain this to others. It all comes down to your initial herd. When you start a game there is a file created that "manages" your herd. It's a way of maintaining things like both the randomness as well as probability of seeing certain animals. Nobody wants to go out and have a constant stream of albinos every time they start the game. For this reason you have some people who may see one on their first day, while others may go hundreds of hours without seeing any.

Take me and Legendary animals. I hear people speaking of them, but after over a thousand hours I've yet to see one. I've had countless myth's, countless albino/piebald, 2 or 3 melanistic, 2 blackgold hogs, and even an all white piebald bison - but not a single Legendary that I can remember (There may have been one that passed me by when I wasn't paying attention).
Kulavak Feb 26, 2018 @ 1:48pm 
Picsoul was nice enough to message me about the Albino Black bear issue. So, while I can't comment on albino black bears in the game, I can drop this little bit of Wildlife Biologist info on y'all about albino black bears....

Kermode Spirit bears are not albinos. They are simply a extremely light color phase of american black bear. All the kermode spirit bears I've ever seen pictures of (I saw an antique skin, once) did not have pink noses, paw pads, or pink/blue eyes. True albinisim is defined by an utter lack of pigmentation - so any exposed skin is pink, and eyes lack any kind of pigmentation. I have seen black bears so bleached out and light-blonde colored that you could easily mistake them for albino were you not looking at eye and skin color. I actually have a skin from one such colored bear. Have I ever seen an actual albino black bear? Not in person, no. There are always rumors of such things out and around. Since all mammals have a small potential to be albino, it is most definitely possible, but extremely rare.

As far as why there is little to no evidence of such a thing it is important to consider that black bears are both predator and prey - an albino bear is doomed in terms of being a target for bigger predators like grizzlies, or even other hungry black bears. Albinos also suffer terribly from skin ailments (sunburn) and they are very VERY visible to potential prey. In short, given all those things an albino animal (predator, no less!) has to put up with... thier lifespans in the wild
- provided they beat the odds into adulthood - are typically very short.

If you want actual proof of the kermode bears not being albino I seem to remember a scientific paper published on the subject. I'm not sure if it covored the genetics, but it did discuss the incidences of populations of non-black colored black bears. I'll look it up in the library, next time I am there.

I should add that I have seen pretty much every color you can imagine in black bears. I've seen bears that were completely black, irish-setter red, blonde, cinnamon, platinum blonde, glacier, tri-colored, silver-tipping and grizzling, chocolate brown, sable brown, light brown, bears with lighter saddles and muzzles, even one that almost had skunk-stripes down it's back. Black bears are by no means always black or uniformly marked!
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