Should i buy the 20g shotgun DLC ?

[Spychopat]

I currently like hunting around with the 30-30 lever action rifle and the double action 12g shotgun.
I really enjoy using the shotgun, and i try to use it as much as possible, but my problem is that using it against Roe Deer and other animals of this categorie will often put trophy integrity around 0% and 50%. So, i'm now using the birdshot against them so i can have 100% integrity (it can be less if i shoot 2 shells at close range, around 90 pellets hits).
But the problem with birdshot is... Firstly i don't really like using birdshot against deer, i wish i could use buckshot, and secondly it's not really super effective, animals don't die really quickly. Also, it has 0 penetration, so it's only killing with the bleeding, but i what is cool with buckshot is that it has both strong flesh bleeding to be sure the animal will die not too far, and some penetration so when i can aim the lungs i can do very "clean" kill.

Well, now here is my question : can i kill Roe Deer with 100% integrity with 20g buckshot from the DLC ? I saw on the wiki that this buckshot is considered Tier 1, so maybe it will have better integrity scoring than the 12g ? But on other hands it has more pellets than 12g, so...
Also, how is the integrity if i shot both barrels and all pellet are hitting ?

I'm considering buying the DLC just to be able to hunt deers with shotgun and not be forced to use birdshot, so if you're owning it, thanks to let me know some details that could help me in my purchase decision.

[Player1]

birdshot is better than the buckshot.however i do recommend weapon pack 2 over weapon pack 1

[Spychopat]

well, the gun i talk about is in pack 2 anyway. Except for the crossbow pack 1 is not interesting by the way.

But you didn't answered my question, will i get 100% integrity with 20g buckshot ?
Any comment about how the 20g shotgun perform over the 12g ? Pro/cons ?

[HooCairs 🏹]

Originally posted by Spychopat ✠:

will i get 100% integrity with 20g buckshot ?
Any comment about how the 20g shotgun perform over the 12g ? Pro/cons ?

A 20ga will always be weaker than a 12ga for its smaller caliber. It is for small game and birds.

You can find an integrity spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e94Wqyh4sWEopfZWQzW6GNFFg_bga8TvTC9SOnWpO2w

Or here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-CnYBRgjFTNvNNVaZ5qkyyf_xN7beh6clfjckTH2Ic/edit#gid=455931611

[McSqurl Nugget]

Originally posted by HooCairs 🏹:

Originally posted by Spychopat ✠:

will i get 100% integrity with 20g buckshot ?
Any comment about how the 20g shotgun perform over the 12g ? Pro/cons ?

A 20ga will always be weaker than a 12ga for its smaller caliber. It is for small game and birds.

You can find an integrity spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e94Wqyh4sWEopfZWQzW6GNFFg_bga8TvTC9SOnWpO2w

Or here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-CnYBRgjFTNvNNVaZ5qkyyf_xN7beh6clfjckTH2Ic/edit#gid=455931611

what he said. think of it this way, a 20g shell is like your pinky, a 12g is slightly bigger than your thumb.

[Spychopat]

oh really ? the shells and barrels was looking bigger on the screenshots, so i thought it had more pellets and firepower.
Also, i know there's spreadsheets, but it's useless with shotguns. On spreadsheets they say you can kill roe deer with 12g buckshot, but it's not true if you hit all the pellets.
And by the way, your spreadsheets has empty cell for all shotguns value so... it really doesn't help ^^

So, unless someone is giving me a good argument for using a 20g shotgun as a main weapon, i think i'll not buy it a i will stick to my 12g.
Btw, i'm saving money and i will get the pump action very soon, hype :p

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Spychopat ✠:

oh really ? the shells and barrels was looking bigger on the screenshots, so i thought it had more pellets and firepower.
Also, i know there's spreadsheets, but it's useless with shotguns. On spreadsheets they say you can kill roe deer with 12g buckshot, but it's not true if you hit all the pellets.
And by the way, your spreadsheets has empty cell for all shotguns value so... it really doesn't help ^^

So, unless someone is giving me a good argument for using a 20g shotgun as a main weapon, i think i'll not buy it a i will stick to my 12g.
Btw, i'm saving money and i will get the pump action very soon, hype :p

Gauge counts can be slightly confusing sometimes so just remember as a general rule that the the lower the gauge count is the more power the gun has like how the 12 Gauge slugs are class three which means they can be used on Elk, Bear, and Moose but the 20 Gauge slug is class two so it's for Wild Boar/Warthog, Whitetail Deer, Blacktail deer and stretching it a little Red Deer.

As far as using the 20 Gauge as a main weapon it doesn't hold any advantage over the 12 gauge in any way or form it's just your individual gauge count preference for use. That being said, the semi-automatic three shot 20 gauge shotguns that come with the duck DLC can be monstrously good with the combined fire-rate and firepower but the semi-autos are an exception to the general rule of the 12 Gauge being better and more useful.

Edit: The 16 Gauge shotgun barrels on the drilling gun in Weapon Pack 2 sit right in between the 12 Gauge and 20 Gauge and can work as a secondary option to the 12 Gauge if you want to take similar power and combine it with a third barrel in the form of a rifle.

[Spychopat]

Thanks for the explanation ! I thought the shotgun in weapon pack 2 was a 20g xD
Having a semi auto sounds good, but i'm already shooting too much on my targets and messing the integrity even with the birdshot, i'm not sure i can restrain myself to shoot only 1 or 2 shots if i have a semi auto xD
I guess i'll stick to my 12g and keep my money. Btw, if i ever buy a weapon DLC, do i get it right away or i have to buy it with ingame money too ?
It's pretty sad that this game has so much paid content btw. I would be fine if it was like just 1 hunting reserve and 2 weapons on DLC, and the rest as free update. Right now it's around 66% of the game that is paid content, that's a shame :/
Why are they not just making paid DLC for skins like other games, people who are willing to spend money will buy it anyway :p

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Spychopat ✠:

Thanks for the explanation ! I thought the shotgun in weapon pack 2 was a 20g xD
Having a semi auto sounds good, but i'm already shooting too much on my targets and messing the integrity even with the birdshot, i'm not sure i can restrain myself to shoot only 1 or 2 shots if i have a semi auto xD
I guess i'll stick to my 12g and keep my money. Btw, if i ever buy a weapon DLC, do i get it right away or i have to buy it with ingame money too ?
It's pretty sad that this game has so much paid content btw. I would be fine if it was like just 1 hunting reserve and 2 weapons on DLC, and the rest as free update. Right now it's around 66% of the game that is paid content, that's a shame :/
Why are they not just making paid DLC for skins like other games, people who are willing to spend money will buy it anyway :p

You're welcome!

In my personal experience you get the weapons immediately when purchasing the weapon packs. I also note the large amount of paid content and it is somewhat of a shame but at least the DLCs that are present are worth the cash and don't shaft the paying customer out of money for something useless or limited time use or force them to purchase the DLC to actually have fun (I think we all know whom I am referencing with that).

A few things to note

Weapon Pack 2 is quite nice because of the drilling gun which allows you to effectively combine the double barreled 12 Gauge and the 7mm into one gun, and I say effectively because it's a 16 gauge so it is a bit less powerful than a 12 Gauge but it certainly isn't a pop-gun. It also comes with the ammunition already unlocked so you can grab all three different shotgun shell types and then some rifle rounds just to round out everything, also important edit-in of information, to switch between the 16 Gauge shotgun barrels and the 9.3mm rifle barrel you hold R by default.

Also another highlight of Weapon Pack 2 is the Mosin Nagant/ Solokhin MN1890/30 which is basically a more powerful .270 but deadly accurate, flat shooting at range, and with a five round clip instead of a four round mag and it can also be used on coyotes and jackals.

The .45 Colt Muertos/.410 Mangiafico shotgun pistol hybrid (.410 refers to the shell bore size so it's more like a 32 or 36 gauge, so basically a rabbit shell) is a take-it-or-leave-it gun as far as I'm concerned because it really only carries a small advantage over the .357's hollow point rounds at the start but loses advantage and becomes equal to it if not a bit weaker than the .357 once you unlock the .357's flat-nosed hard-cast with 50 penetration so it's just which one you like more. That being said the Muertos/Mangiafico hybrid handgun does have the advantage of being able to take rabbits with integrity.

It's also important to mention that when either of the weapon packs are purchased the guns are free in the cache, the only thing that costs cash is the ammunition

Another important note would be that Weapon Pack 1's only real interesting thing is the crossbow because of it's range capability as with the zeroing perk it can accurately hit animals out to 90 meters and with a bit of luck all the way out to 120 meters.

That being said the .22 LR is nice for sniping rabbits and ducks with integrity or taking them by opportunity when you see them outside of shotgun range.

I hope this information was helpful!