Weapon pack 3

[Steven]

https://youtu.be/NJVHROg38SM

Not sure if link will work but what’s people’s thoughts?

I’m fairly new to the game but zaggi says the 30-06 will replace 7mm... what makes it better?

And what class animal will the pistol be for? I’ve never once used a pistol yet.

[sonicboom73]

The .30-06 was placed in a bad spot, it is one of the most popular deer cartridges of all time but it sounds like no integrity bonus on deer. But it also can't get full quick kill on elk at 130m so it seems like they made it too powerful for class 2 but not powerful enough for class 3. This makes me really disappointed that one of the rifles I've wanted most in the game is seeming like it's going to be a let down.

Otherwise I like the air rifle and I'm indifferent about the pistol.

[Rookie-31st]

You mean .30-06 is not like 7.62mm Solokhin??

[dogshocker]

.45 air rifle...didn't even know you could get an air rifle over .22 ! Should be interesting....I'm guessing it's a quiet, precision deer gun.

.22 air pistol....really !!! What's the point of that ?

.30-06 If what sonicboom73 says is correct....I'll stick with the .270 Huntsman for deer. I totally love it.

[Machin Shin]

good replace for the not good 7mm and the Airgun is more a fun gun, the 22 is nice but no idea if i use it

[Rookie-31st]

22 pistol is light side arm so it might be convenient to have it on you in case you find decent trophy rabbit or duck while hunting deer or even larger animal. Would be more convenient than 22LR rifle

[Steven]

From what everyone is saying there isn’t much benefit to getting this new weapon pack.

[Striker]

Sounds like they cut the 30.06 from the same mold as the .243 Too powerful for one species and not powerful enough for another you have to use it on IOT get the full integrity bonus.

[Guts]

I like the .45 airgun. That will make deer hunting way more fun for me. I want to try silent hunting but I don't have any bow score yet.

[florble mcfumperdink]

I personally thought that the 30-06 did quite well on elk even though it lost quick kill, to me quick kill was never a defining characteristic of how "good" a gun is for its weapon class, I've always gauged it on how well it can perform past 100 meters on the animals it is meant to be used on.

I too would have preferred it having been weapon class two, but, we have a, or at least what is technically a .308 at class 2 that being the Mosin (7.62x54r is literally a slightly longer Russian version of the standard .308 cartridge because it is 54 millimeters long instead of 51 millimeters). That being said, their logic for making it class 3 might be the fact that, while IRL it is a preferred deer cartridge and has the exact same bullet diameter as a .308, it is a whole 12 millimeters longer at a total length of 63 millimeters long cartridge with a heavier, more volatile power load which makes the bullet fly faster and hit harder, so basically they decided that since IRL it is a chonky more powerful .308 cartridge, that it would basically be a class 3 Mosin with polymers but not as OP, somehow.

Also, they were firing the polymer ammunition, and class 3 polymer rounds tend to have a history of not doing so well on Elk, also keep in mind that Elk is technically a class 3/4 since both the .300 and .338 magnums can be used and get integrity on Elk and seem to be the only things other than bows that can reliably get 100% quick kill with a lung shot on an Elk. Furthermore the .338 and .300 seem to be the only rifles capable of reliably getting 100% quick kill on elk from more than 135 meters away, the exception being a well placed 7mm round.

The .22 isn't air-powered, it uses the same rim-fire cartridges that the .22 rifle does, and it also fires a lot fast and is lighter, so basically it serves the same purpose and can perform just as well but at a shorter range, well, unless you zero for 75 and aim high with the telescopic pistol scope say "Hail Mary Mother of Jesus Christ of Nazareth" and then cross all of your available fingers and toes.

Then there's the .45 air rifle, does it serve a purpose or have any defining features other than being weird? The answer, seems to be yes, at least in my mind. It is class 2, so it's a Pig/Deer/Small and Medium Antelope gun. It has the second highest magazine capacity of all rifles and the highest magazine capacity of any non-varmint rifle at a total of 7 rounds per mag. It seems to be the quietest rifle so far, so if you like to hunt close range with silent weapons you can finally use something that isn't the bows, not that they're bad at all, but you know, some variety for people that like stealth hunting.

Sorry if this became a bit of a wall of text so...

TL;DR 30-06 is basically a class 3 Mosin but not OP, a little under-powered if anything but it certainly still works well-ish from what we saw on stream.

.45 is a bit of a meme but nice for stealth hunting, and also good for follow-ups due to the 7 round mag size and moderately fast action speed.

.22 LR pistol is basically the LR rifle compacted since it has the same 10 round mag and is a whole load lighter, but functions at shorter ranges, unless you've mastered bullet drop estimation in this game then you can snipe ducks with it. Can also rapid fire that thing faster than the 20 gauge semi-auto

Afterthought just prior to post: Is it just me or does the .22 pistol's frame and shape in general look like a German P-08 Luger?

[cybvep]

If the 30-06 has the same integrity table as the 7mm, then that will be very disappointing, because you will not be able to use on most deer in the game if you want to keep integrity. In fact, even using it on wild boar will not give you integrity, because 7mm doesn't (which is simply bad BTW). And we saw its performance on elk. It wasn't stellar. However, I guess that you can easily get 100% quick kill by shooting the elk twice.

The air gun looks interesting. It will be a unique weapon, that's for sure. Something different than other rifles.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by cybvep:

If the 30-06 has the same integrity table as the 7mm, then that will be very disappointing, because you will not be able to use on most deer in the game if you want to keep integrity. In fact, even using it on wild boar will not give you integrity, because 7mm doesn't (which is simply bad BTW). And we saw it's performance on elk. It wasn't stellar. However, I guess that you can easily get 100% quick kill by shooting the elk twice.

I personally think that Wild Boar and Warthog need to be weapon class 2/3 so that the 7mm and 30-06 will be usable on them alongside the .243, Solokhin, and .270, I mean for Christ's sake they can weigh the same as Red Deer, which can be shot with class 3 ammunition, yet for some reason they're class 2.

Either that or give all the class 3 weapons integrity on the piggies.

Then not being able to use it on deer, well, I'm not entirely crushed because I can still smack Mule Deer with it but, I wanted it to fit with the 7mm and .270 like how the Solokhin fits with the .270 and .243, a sort of combined integrity table.

Regarding the elk, eehhhhh, I don't think it really represents what it does as a class 3 because elk basically need a class 4 in order to be effectively brought down with quick kill. so as far as I'm concerned right now the 30-06 is still in the dark.

Edit: Also, it seems to perform about the same on elk that I see the 7mm perform on Elk, although maybe I just have bad luck on them but the lack of quick kill is something I see with the 7mm on Elk quite often in my own experience. Also, its polymer tipped ammunitions only has like 2 penetration less than the 7mm's polymer tipped ammunition, it is basically a 7mm with a 4 round clip in a bolt action format, so at least it has that going for it.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Opadede:

The Yukon Valley (paying DLC) card just came out and is full of bug that lead to the crash and freeze of the game, and here they are talking about taking out the Weapon pack 3.
You will NEVER fix bugs present ?

...

They literally said that after the release of TRUMOOSE and WP3 they would be concentrating their efforts on bug fixes for the next several updates in order to address problems with game function and to push out quality of game-play updates.

[cybvep]

Edit: Also, it seems to perform about the same on elk that I see the 7mm perform on Elk, although maybe I just have bad luck on them but the lack of quick kill is something I see with the 7mm on Elk quite often in my own experience

Yes... which is unfortunate. A double lung on elk with the 7mm should pretty much guarantee 100% QL under 150 meters IMO. Just because you can use the .338 on elk doesn't mean that 7mm shouldn't be effective against it.

I personally think that Wild Boar and Warthog need to be weapon class 2/3 so that the 7mm and 30-06 will be usable on them alongside the .243, Solokhin, and .270, I mean for Christ's sake they can weigh the same as Red Deer, which can be shot with class 3 ammunition, yet for some reason they're class 2.

This is one of my biggest gripes with the current integrity tables. 12 GA shotguns and 7mm give 0% integrity on wild boar and warthog, which is simply wrong. Another big problem is the fact that you cannot use .270 on blacktails or fallows. So annoying and stupid, really (especially now, when we have the Mosin). I hope that the devs will change this eventually.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by cybvep:

Edit: Also, it seems to perform about the same on elk that I see the 7mm perform on Elk, although maybe I just have bad luck on them but the lack of quick kill is something I see with the 7mm on Elk quite often in my own experience

Yes... which is unfortunate. A double lung on elk with a 7mm should pretty much guarantee 100% QL under 150 meters IMO. Just because you can use .338 on elk doesn't mean that 7mm shouldn't be effective against it.

I personally think that Wild Boar and Warthog need to be weapon class 2/3 so that the 7mm and 30-06 will be usable on them alongside the .243, Solokhin, and .270, I mean for Christ's sake they can weigh the same as Red Deer, which can be shot with class 3 ammunition, yet for some reason they're class 2.

This is one of my biggest gripes with the current integrity tables. 12 GA shotguns and 7mm give 0% integrity on wild boar and warthog, which is simply wrong. Another big problem is the fact that you cannot use .270 on blacktails or fallows. So annoying and stupid, really.

Yeah i can't understand why the .270 can't be used on Blacktails and Fallows, I mean Blacktails, Whitetails, and Fallows are all basically the same weight give or take a few kilograms and also almost identical body structure/build but the Whitetail is the only one of the three that the .270 can be used on.

I think the integrity tables should be arranged based on weight classes of animals, like class 0 is rabbits and ducks because they are lightest and it heads all the way up to geese, which is the bottom fence for class 1 and then Class 1 goes up to things the size and weight of Roe Deer in terms of effective quick kill. Then Class 2 is the weight of Roe Deer to say the weight of a warthog, the Warthog starts class 3 which then goes to the weight of an elk which transitions to class 4 and goes all the way up to Plains Bison.

Looking at that paragraph it might be a bit confusing and strange but I think I (*successfully?*) got my point across about why the current integrity system is arse.

[florble mcfumperdink]

As a note, the 30-06's firing sound is excuse enough to use it in my opinion, finally a rifle that isn't class 4 that sounds like it actually has some gusto to it.