Softpoint is useful for ... nothing?

[Peacemaker]

Anybody who use softpoint ammo? Why?
Apart from the lower price I dont see any useful advantages.

I see that the softpoint bullet is less penetrative than hardpoint, there is no shot through. And in real the impact-energy is 100% absorbed. In real this could be the advantage of the softpoint, lets call it "stopping power".

The hardpoint bullet penetrates much deeper (in real there is very often a shot through, I cant see this clearly in the game). But, if there is a body shot through, there must be a lack of impact-energy in comparsion to the softpoint bullet.

But I think the "stopping power" is not taken into account here. I dont see more stopping power with softpoint. So, where is the secret of softpoint in this game?
I dont know ...

[Hidden Gunman]

You are thinking of it in real life terms. In game terms, 'softpoint' means 'entry level', and the hard points are the 'unlocked improved version'.

[jal273]

I use almost always the soft rounds. Poly is good for brain shot and if you want to go thru bone, Polypute holes in lungs Soft disstroies the lung, sorry for my bad spelling

[Mr. Ed]

The soft point 7.62 mm rounds have worked very well for me on Black Bears, Whitetail, Blacktail, Warthogs, Fallow, Kudu, Springbok, Blackbuck, Jackals and Coyotes. By very well I mean 100% QK and 100% integrity. All of those animals tend to bleed out faster than they do when shot with poly rounds from the .243 or .270 and in this day and age..a second or two faster bleed out can easily turn a diamond into a gold.

[Kaned Dragon]

I usually go for the polymer tipped bullets. Because we unlock the polymers and other bullets that do more penetration, it feel like they are meant to be better. Game logic and all, which is highly illogical lol. I haven't tried using the soft point really as I generally try and go for the heart or a double lung shot, so I'm after penetration.
I don't have the faith in the soft points doing enough damage.
The soft points atm do seem highly illogical to use regularly except for personal satisfaction.
A very strange human trait.
ps can't help but throw in star trek references lol

[Rookie-31st]

Originally posted by Peacemaker:

Apart from the lower price I dont see any useful advantages.

Its major useful advantage is high expansion. It deals more damage to affected organ and can actually hit more organs under certain conditions. With soft ammo, you must wait for an opportunity to have clean broadside shot, preferably right side of an animal (so you hit vital liver instead of non-vital stomach which is on the left side), and aim center mass of a body (both vertically and horizontally) or slightly toward the head to increase chances of hitting a lung. If you learn to hit a lung and a liver with one shot, you will get 100% quick kill when using proper caliber for an animal.

Most new players abandon soft ammo simply because they use it wrong - they tend to shoot animals head-on or start hunting moose with .243 resulting in nothing but frustration. Also, poly tip ammo isn't really expensive, so using cheaper or even free soft ammo doesn't have strong financial reason

[Atlar]

7.62mm are crazy, almost too good. Integrity all the way down to coyote, easy double lung on any medium deer and it can even penetrate a moose for a frontal heartshot.

Other soft points are a different story. For example: .243 soft, perfect frontal heartshot on a roe deer -> runs away, not enough penetration...
Others are not quite that bad, but polys usualy give me better results.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by Mr. Ed:

The soft point 7.62 mm rounds have worked very well for me on Black Bears, Whitetail, Blacktail, Warthogs, Fallow, Kudu, Springbok, Blackbuck, Jackals and Coyotes. By very well I mean 100% QK and 100% integrity. All of those animals tend to bleed out faster than they do when shot with poly rounds from the .243 or .270 and in this day and age..a second or two faster bleed out can easily turn a diamond into a gold.

agree with you, DLC 7.62 softpoint works very good, but there is no comparsion with 7.62 hardpoint

"tend to bleed out faster" for me its hard to track in the game ... i have tested it too, but I dont see a clear conclusion, if so, the effect is much to low

[jal273]

Of my 131 diamonds I would say 75% are with soft point rounds in all my weapons

[naspa]

Depends a bit. Softpoint do more damage. If you are not good in aiming, soft points can help you collect your trophy a bot sooner (bleeding out faster).

[Vazc0]

soft points are better for longrange lungshots. they are better as soon as you cant penetrate both lungs with poly tips anymore. for most bigger animals that means distances over 150m.


410m soft points 97%
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875945847

319m poly tips 46%
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875945793

soft points are also way better at dealing with a buffalo

soft points 66m
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875974343

183m 338 soft points 100%
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875989179

[TamponTimmy]

That's pretty much the answer.

Hard point ... under half range (150m or 75m depending on gun).
Soft point for long range shots.

You won't go through a leg, through lung and into the heart of a moose at 350m with anything. So softpoint it in the lung for best results. But at 35m ... reach into that animal and touch its heart,

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by Vazc0:

soft points are better for longrange lungshots. they are better as soon as you cant penetrate both lungs with poly tips anymore. for most bigger animals that means distances over 150m.


410m soft points 97%
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875945847

319m poly tips 46%
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875945793

soft points are also way better at dealing with a buffalo

soft points 66m
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875974343

183m 338 soft points 100%
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875989179

nice answer, thanks very much!

I normaly shot at distances from 25 - 150 m (always stalk hunting) and I always try one of this ...
- double lung
- heart-shot
- brain

I havent noticed this long-range-advantage up to now. I will try this.

[Geronimo]

i havent used soft-points enough to draw any conclusions, but what i di know is what is supposed to be the IRL of them.

Seems like most players think softpoint are supposed to mean harder hitting and expect instant drops. And that hardnose are simply for more penetration.

but they are missing two factors, IF CoTW actually does program as near to IRL as possible, and it does reference those factors in the inventory-store descriptions, IF you read them.

Firstly, soft nose are supposed to be soft so that they expand upon impact, more or less exploding on entry. Expansion means less penetration and more immediate local damage and shock.

However, less pen means less likely to reach the organs, whereupon the damage may not be vital.

So, the closer you are to target, the more chance that the damage will reach and affect an organ.

What happens in most cases is the shooter is too far for soft-point, expanding tip, and the animal will drop from the shock of the powerful strike, but then get right up and run off to bleed out. And with no vitals hit that run can be very far especially if tracked right away.

So it looks like expanding tips drops the animals quickly, but those are not quick kills by any means. Soft nose are great for larger calibers at close range on medium quarry. But they are not designed for large game, and especially not at any distance.

This is why we see the solohkin being a popular gun for medium sized deer and only using the expanding tips. I am aware that it is also popular for its long range ability but that is not really IRL IMO.

Sorry to Nuckenfuts and Nuggets, they r probably not able to read any further...wink wink

Now the Hard Nose shells are meant to penetrate, and even though you might see animals drop when hit and run off, they are not experiencing the same shockwave as the EXPs. I think that again its just a matter of Game behavior AI.

hard nose are meant to reach further into the body cavity where they can disable the vital organs. the animal might run off but when its vital organ is failing it will often not go far, and in some cases like dbl lung and heart shots it may not run at all.

so here is where the 2nd factor of the descriptions come in,,,hard nose not only have the vital takedown option, they ALSO have a more reliant trajectory as they are traveling faster and more stream lined than the soft nose.

So for long range they are much more accurate as well. Similar to the dynamics of the trajectory diff between the 450 grain arrow and the 600 grain.

There is a trade off though and that is that when at closer ranges, if your penetration doesnt take out a vital, it will not have much impact on the quarry, and IRL could just pass right through the body. Using too high a caliber and hard nose on smaller game often just shoots right through them and is nothing more than a flesh wound.

this is why some new players experience alot of corpse chasing.

So lesson is- use softpoints on small to medium sized game only, at close range. caliber doesnt really matter as long as the gun matches the quarry.

Otherwise dont expect more from them than that, and use the hard nose as soon as you can buy them.

[CaptainNebulous]

Soft Point is very useful for close range broadside shots, and for some animals very close range heart/brain shots. Assuming the caliber is large enough for the animal you are shooting, soft point ammo will cause very much bleeding, which will overcome its lack of penetration. However just like most other things, how useful this is to you depends on your playing style.

For my playing style, personally I only use soft point ammo for anything the size of Moose or bigger... and only in specific situations. But for some people there is many more effective uses.

[Geronimo]

then i assume in your playstyle cap neb, that you hunt your large game at close range. Either way aim has to be dead on and that caliber better be big..u got a 50 cal that we dont know about or something..