Multiple Pin Sight Ranges

[MrNeverMisses]

Quick question about the bow mechanics in this game in relation to the different measurement systems. The 3 and 5 pin sights for the bow have me a little bit confused, and I know with enough time invested and enough arrows flung down the shooting range I could have this figured out, but I wanted to check if anyone had done their own detective work that I could benefit from.

Question: Assuming the top pin is sighted at 20 yards (as most archers set their top pin to this range), if you switch to the metric system, does the range then also change to 20 Meters? or does it change to 18.288 meters?

Obviously this doesn't have much impact at a 20 yard shot, but the 50 yard shot would be a difference of 5 meters, which is the difference between a heart shot and a total miss under your target. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[Your Internet Dad™]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what it's sighted at, as past 30 yards/meters the bows start to become wildly inaccurate due to wind drift and a built-in offset. So long as you're keeping it within 30 yards, the center pin will typically give you good accuracy and you won't suffer much in the way of arrow drop.

Currently, compound bows are acting like traditional bows, when they should enjoy greater range and accuracy than they currently do.

[MrNeverMisses]

Originally posted by The Littlest Hummingbird:

Ultimately it doesn't matter what it's sighted at, as past 30 yards/meters the bows start to become wildly inaccurate due to wind drift and a built-in offset. So long as you're keeping it within 30 yards, the center pin will typically give you good accuracy and you won't suffer much in the way of arrow drop.

Currently, compound bows are acting like traditional bows, when they should enjoy greater range and accuracy than they currently do.

Thanks for the quick reply! And yeah, I know about the extremely annoying offset of the arrow flight. Quite annoying considering that a 40+ yard shot takes a tremendous amount of compensation for the wind already, much less RNG arrow bouncing. My furthest vital takedown was 47 yards though, so I know it's possible, and since archery is the last real challenge in this game for me (in this patch), I'm hoping to at least give myself a fighting chance at reaching out and poking something with those 60 grain broadheads. I definitely agree with your point on them needing a bit of work. Cheers, and good hunting.

[solon[fr]]

The problem is that we can not adjust the pins to the desired distance, as a real bow sight. The distances in the game make no sense.

[RippieFlippie]

The 5 pin sight gives ok accuracy at 50m to shoot anything the size of a fallow deer or larger. I do not have problems with distance and pin adjustment. For the 400g arrows, center is 30m, one above is 10, one below is 50m. For heavier or lighter arrows, it changes according to physics. That's ok for me. Random offset is there, but with all skills maxed, it is not more than in real life.


What is very hard to gauge however is side wind because there is no means of predicting the side offset accurately. It is also quite strong. Here it really is practising and practising to get a feeling for it. At least for me. Very difficult however. Part of bow hunting is tactics to not get exposed to side wind for me. Problem with the windage skill is also that it does not show you the side wind component of the wind, but only the overall wind strenght. For example with that is coming at 45° at you with 10m/s has side wind of roughly 5m/s. But it does not show you that, but only the 10m/s.

Bow hunting and side wind is something that definitely can be improved in the game!

I like the difficulty however. It is exciting to do bow hunting. Took that boy down today while he was trotting. Waddaday!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=943791989

[RippieFlippie]

This does not make any sense: Windage perk shows you lateral wind for side offset, right? But when I turn around and check lateral winds, they stay the same. Should it not go to zero when I turn perfectly in wind direction. I think this is simply not working or bugged. Would be nice to hear from devs about this because it is essential for gameplay with bows.

[Andaramir]

With all skill max i tested the 420g and the 600g arrows on shooting range with the 70lbs bow.

420gr Arrow:

- 5m
-10m
-30m
-50m
-about 70m

600gr Arrow

-5m
-10m
-20m
-40m
-50m

Mostly i shoot about 10 - 20 m, sometimes 30 meters if there is less wind.

But i only tested with the metric system.

[RippieFlippie]

RedMajestic, this is also what I got from testing. I like to test at traffic signs in the game because when you hit them they make that 'cling' noise and you see sparks also at 50m. With no or little wind, I hit a stop sign at 50m every shot.

As soon as some side wind kicks in however, you can forget the bow, because the windage perk is not working and things are completely unpredictable, which is a shame. I mean at 50m or 70m yes, but not like in the game where your arrow gets displaced by half a meter during a 20m shot. Hope they make the lateral wind devation for bows smaller. It just breaks the bow gameplay in its over the top way it is right now.

[MrNeverMisses]

Originally posted by R.C. Bot Inc.:

The 5 pin sight gives ok accuracy at 50m to shoot anything the size of a fallow deer or larger. I do not have problems with distance and pin adjustment. For the 400g arrows, center is 30m, one above is 10, one below is 50m. For heavier or lighter arrows, it changes according to physics. That's ok for me. Random offset is there, but with all skills maxed, it is not more than in real life.


What is very hard to gauge however is side wind because there is no means of predicting the side offset accurately. It is also quite strong. Here it really is practising and practising to get a feeling for it. At least for me. Very difficult however. Part of bow hunting is tactics to not get exposed to side wind for me. Problem with the windage skill is also that it does not show you the side wind component of the wind, but only the overall wind strenght. For example with that is coming at 45° at you with 10m/s has side wind of roughly 5m/s. But it does not show you that, but only the 10m/s.

Bow hunting and side wind is something that definitely can be improved in the game!

I like the difficulty however. It is exciting to do bow hunting. Took that boy down today while he was trotting. Waddaday!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=943791989

Ahh a good point as well. I don't have the maxed skills quite yet so that could be a factor. Thanks for the reply! And a dang good shot on the trot! Keep it up!

[MrNeverMisses]

Originally posted by RedMajestic:

With all skill max i tested the 420g and the 600g arrows on shooting range with the 70lbs bow.

420gr Arrow:

- 5m
-10m
-30m
-50m
-about 70m

600gr Arrow

-5m
-10m
-20m
-40m
-50m

Mostly i shoot about 10 - 20 m, sometimes 30 meters if there is less wind.

But i only tested with the metric system.

Definitely making notes of that. Thanks for doing the hard work for me! ;) Good luck to you!

[Andaramir]

Originally posted by R.C. Bot Inc.:

RedMajestic, this is also what I got from testing. I like to test at traffic signs in the game because when you hit them they make that 'cling' noise and you see sparks also at 50m. With no or little wind, I hit a stop sign at 50m every shot.

As soon as some side wind kicks in however, you can forget the bow, because the windage perk is not working and things are completely unpredictable, which is a shame. I mean at 50m or 70m yes, but not like in the game where your arrow gets displaced by half a meter during a 20m shot. Hope they make the lateral wind devation for bows smaller. It just breaks the bow gameplay in its over the top way it is right now.

The windage perk is what i going for at the moment, i maxed everything in archery first. Need 2 more points to get this. Im excited to test this with the bow.

[Hawkeye]

If u have the "0" range perk/skill in rifles, u don't need the 3 or 5 pin sight...it gives u 3 ranges to choose frm...that windage thing would b nice though....bows rule!...crossbow anyone?

[76561198088759410]

you know why ppl still cant zeroing the bow?
because the shooting range is totally a useless place for zeroing-.-

BTW, I knew all the zeroing of bow.
because I completed the test before they patched add a random fix scatter for bow...

so now you will never know the zeroing point of BOW no matter how you test it...

[RippieFlippie]

Originally posted by RedMajestic:

The windage perk is what i going for at the moment, i maxed everything in archery first. Need 2 more points to get this. Im excited to test this with the bow.

Let me know if you figure anything out how it is supposed to work! Right now it seems not working the way it is described because I can turn around and the side (lateral) wind affecting my arrow never changes even though I am perfectly aligned with the wind.

I have not bought the zeroing skill yet. I never understood what the advantage for bows is supposed to be. It puts near or far range on the middle pin, right? But what is the issue with just using the pins above or below the middle pin for aiming?

[MrNeverMisses]

Originally posted by Hawkeye:

If u have the "0" range perk/skill in rifles, u don't need the 3 or 5 pin sight...it gives u 3 ranges to choose frm...that windage thing would b nice though....bows rule!...crossbow anyone?

Crossbow would be a sick addition to the archers arsenal in this game, but in all hoensty, any new weapon to hunt with would be nice at this point. And I don't yet have that perk but I may have to give it a look. Thanks!

[Your Internet Dad™]

The zeroing perk does in fact work fine for bows. Primarily it's use is to alleviate having to use multiple pins, as it zeroes on your middle pin.

The 3 and 5 pin sights work well if you don't have the zeroing perk, but by and large lose a lot of their usefulness if you do have the perk, aside from using the other pins for minor adjustments (say if the range at which you're shooting to falls between two of the zeroing distances).