Bullet Drop

[Sparky862]

Does this game take it into account??

[KaiEr]

Yes. But some people have had issues with certain weapons.

[Sparky862]

How big is the drop according to distance?

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Sparky862:

How big is the drop according to distance?

If you don't have the rifle perk called "zeroing", then assume that beyond the effective range the bullet starts to drop. When you get the perk, it appears to apply the "point blank range" method and the drop doesn't occur until further down range.

[Sparky862]

Originally posted by CellNav:

Originally posted by Sparky862:

How big is the drop according to distance?

If you don't have the rifle perk called "zeroing", then assume that beyond the effective range the bullet starts to drop. When you get the perk, it appears to apply the "point blank range" method and the drop doesn't occur until further down range.

But how much is the drop beyond effective range??

There is no target range, and there is no bullet trace decal like in Battlefield 4.

In Battlefield 4 you can see the bullet drop vs distance because off the bullet trace, so I can adjust according to my distance

[FEVER888]

You can shoot 150m with little to no drop.
300m with the .243 you'll need to aim a little above the desired location... 20cm or so.

[leighton]

I aimed 3-4 ft over the animal for this shot. 428 yds.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=881396096

[Sparky862]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/0/133261907137235709/

Look at those Screenshots ... Had NO bullet drop what so ever at that distance with a .243

I have NO perks and NO skills. Its a fresh start in a new reserve. I aimed dead on where I want to shoot and got the Vital

[leighton]

Nice shot. I was shooting a bit further out with the 7mm. I got the closest one at 428yds, but the game crashed before I could harvest the further one. Here's what they looked like at that distance;

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=883087246

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Sparky862:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/0/133261907137235709/

Look at those Screenshots ... Had NO bullet drop what so ever at that distance with a .243

I have NO perks and NO skills. Its a fresh start in a new reserve. I aimed dead on where I want to shoot and got the Vital

Thanks for the reminder ... With NO zeroing perk, we're told the rifle is sighted in at 100m. They are probably using the PBR method on that as well. The 243 ammo we're using appears to be the low grain (58gr or 75gr). If the rifle is sighted in at 100m but 3" high, then those bullets will begin to show a drop after 250m ... Basically, your shot was within PBR and shouldn't see much deviation (size of your fist), and using the harvest screen as a guide, the deviation would be about the width of the animal's knee cap (as a gauge).

Shoot beyond 300m and you should notice a drop (about 2 kee caps, or 8").

EDIT : .... btw, at 240m the bullet is dropping but it's dropping across your center line view (the center of the crosshair). Between 100-200m, the bullet is above the centerline, after 250m the bullet is below the center line.

[Sparky862]

Originally posted by CellNav:

Originally posted by Sparky862:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/0/133261907137235709/

Look at those Screenshots ... Had NO bullet drop what so ever at that distance with a .243

I have NO perks and NO skills. Its a fresh start in a new reserve. I aimed dead on where I want to shoot and got the Vital

Thanks for the reminder ... With NO zeroing perk, we're told the rifle is sighted in at 100m. They are probably using the PBR method on that as well. The 243 ammo we're using appears to be the low grain (58gr or 75gr). If the rifle is sighted in at 100m but 3" high, then those bullets will begin to show a drop after 250m ... Basically, your shot was within PBR and shouldn't see much deviation (size of your fist), and using the harvest screen as a guide, the deviation would be about the width of the animal's knee cap (as a gauge).

Shoot beyond 300m and you should notice a drop (about 2 kee caps, or 8").

EDIT : .... btw, at 240m the bullet is dropping but it's dropping across your center line view (the center of the crosshair). Between 100-200m, the bullet is above the centerline, after 250m the bullet is below the center line.

My first image is the animal already dead ..... I just put my scope that way so they could see the distance I shot from.

I shot the animal DEAD on the spot. It fell on the spot the body is lying.

Looking at the harvest screen, my bullet made the impact where I was aiming with the centre of my scope. Though it is hard to tell where I EXACTLY aimed because of my scope Zoom capability at the given range the animal was downed.

I was aiming at the general area anyone would aim to get a Lung shot or Double Lung shot .... and I DID get a lung shot. It would have been a Double Lung if my bullet did not hit the Femer before penetrating, as the Femer stopped my bullet penetration at the given distance

[CellNav]

Sorry for second post but it seems to be unclear how everything appears to be working (with regard to zeroing and bullet drop along with the perk) ...

We are told that the rifle is set to a "zero" range of 100m (or yards), that is constant and cannot be changed by the player (for rifles, pistol and bow are different). This is the "zero range" used to adjust our "point blank range" (PBR) when using the rifle perk "zeroing". Without the perk, the bullet arrives at the center of the crosshair at 100m. Using the "short, medium, long" range setting perk, we adjust the "height" of the bullet at 100m. This mean that the medium setting might be adjusting the bullet 1" higher, long range might be 2-3" above centerline (at 100m).

A player who sets long range, can use that setting to basically "flatten out" the projectory of the bullet, however, they will note that ranges below long range (300m) have little deviation ... That's the whole point. The hunter wants the deviation to be constant between 75m-300m, and slightly beyond 300m, perhaps to a PBR of 320m before the drop exceeds the acceptable deviation.

Remember, the bullet begins it's life below the center line view of the scope (about -1.5"), then climbs up through the center line line-of-sight to a peak point above that, then drops back down again. The bullet went through the center line of the crosshair twice in it's travel towards the target, perhaps once at 75m and again around 300m (or there abouts).

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Sparky862:

Looking at the harvest screen, my bullet made the impact where I was aiming with the centre of my scope. Though it is hard to tell where I EXACTLY aimed because of my scope Zoom capability at the given range the animal was downed.

I was aiming at the general area anyone would aim to get a Lung shot or Double Lung shot .... and I DID get a lung shot. It would have been a Double Lung if my bullet did not hit the Femer before penetrating, as the Femer stopped my bullet penetration at the given distance

Ok ... you are not understanding what's going on, so here is an example of a 7mm bullet drop trajectory and the same 7mm bullet trajectory using the PBR method (height above/below the line-of-sight of the scope center line), You can see that visually, the bullet didn't DROP below center line until 200y (no PBR) and at 288y (with PBR) and it can be said that the PBR is 6" at 330y (in this example).

Bullet Drop trajectory :
100y = 1.4
200y = 0
300y = -6.3
400y = -17.9
500y = -35.6

PBR trajectory (set 3" high at 100y zero) :
100y = 3
288y = 0
330y = -3
350y = -5
400y = -10

Since you admitted that it was "hard to tell where EXACTLY" the aim was compared to the hit location ... well, you are within acceptable deviation (a few inches), that's the point ... get it?

[Sparky862]

Originally posted by CellNav:

Sorry for second post but it seems to be unclear how everything appears to be working (with regard to zeroing and bullet drop along with the perk) ...

We are told that the rifle is set to a "zero" range of 100m (or yards), that is constant and cannot be changed by the player (for rifles, pistol and bow are different). This is the "zero range" used to adjust our "point blank range" (PBR) when using the rifle perk "zeroing". Without the perk, the bullet arrives at the center of the crosshair at 100m. Using the "short, medium, long" range setting perk, we adjust the "height" of the bullet at 100m. This mean that the medium setting might be adjusting the bullet 1" higher, long range might be 2-3" above centerline (at 100m).

A player who sets long range, can use that setting to basically "flatten out" the projectory of the bullet, however, they will note that ranges below long range (300m) have little deviation ... That's the whole point. The hunter wants the deviation to be constant between 75m-300m, and slightly beyond 300m, perhaps to a PBR of 320m before the drop exceeds the acceptable deviation.

Remember, the bullet begins it's life below the center line view of the scope (about -1.5"), then climbs up through the center line line-of-sight to a peak point above that, then drops back down again. The bullet went through the center line of the crosshair twice in it's travel towards the target, perhaps once at 75m and again around 300m (or there abouts).

Basicly what you are saying is that between 0m-300m there is no bullet drop what so ever??

Given the fact I downed my game on the spot at 276m on PBR??

Does that not make the perk useless to have then??

[GI Ged]

bullet drop from 7MM and .338 ist only accurate in standing position right now. the alignment in the crouch possition is 9mm off and the phrone 2mm. if the next patch will fix it the calculation starts from beginning.

[CellNav]

Originally posted by Sparky862:

Basicly what you are saying is that between 0m-300m there is no bullet drop what so ever??

Given the fact I downed my game on the spot at 276m on PBR??

Does that not make the perk useless to have then??

I'm basically telling you that you are "seeing" no drop because the PBR method adjusts the trajectory of the bullet to minimize the basic "bullet drop".

At 276m (your kill distance), the bullet was dropping but it was dropping back down from a peak height (above the center line) to cross almost at the center line at 276m, in other words, within a few inches.

The perk is almost useless for rifles using bullets that have a natural flat projectory (i.e. 223 and 243). Once you start to use the 270, 7mm, and the 338, then you will need the long range perk to extend your PBR out to a further distanse because those weapons will drop more beyond 300m, perhaps seeing a big differenct beyond 350 or 400m.

The perk is very good to have for the pistol and the bow (lower velocity projectiles). If you ever get into pistols, use the perk and you can hit animals out beyond 100m using the long range setting using a pistol.