Huntsman .270

[Fido]

Is it only me or Huntsman rifle is very inaccurate compared to Ranger .243. I can barely hit specific spot from 20 meters. I just bought it and i don't know if this was a good choice. Is it a valuable weapon?

[Silky Rough]

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[Photo]

It's a good weapon, try it out some more. Maybe the animal did happen to move some right as you fired..(how many have you shot at?) maybe us a different scope? No idea. I been having good luck with it though. I hope you end up liking it in the end.

[Moose]

The .270 is the only rifle I use at the moment. You might just be having poor shot placement, or the hit detection might be buggy for you. Excellent gun, but the "Accuracy" stat is poorly named. In-game, it's the weapon sway while scoped, so more like "stability" than accuracy.

[Fido]

Thanks for answers guys. I played for a little longer with .270 now and it's much better. Maybe I had to get used to it :)

[Rigz]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

Not sure why you would use a .270 on a fallow deer, you shouldn't use anything higher in calibre than a 30-30. .270 is for bigger game like whitetail deer and wild boar. That's why you got 0% integrity bonus instead of 100%

I agree 100% but who am i :D

[Fido]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

Here is a list of my recommended calibres per species:

Fox- .242
Coyote-30-30
Roe Deer- 30-30
Fallow deer- 30-30
blacktail deer- 30-30
whitetail deer- .270
wild boar- .270
black bear- 7mm
red deer- 7mm
roosevelt elk- .338
moose- .338
Bison- .338

If you follow this, you will do the most damage possible to the animal and still get 100% integrity bonus and 100% quick kill if you get a nice clean vital shot. Just remember to get close-medium range with the 30-30, it's damage drops off significantly at longer ranges.

Probably I'm so noob but... what is 30-30? I can't find anything like this in shop.

BTW: I just killed black bear with one shot from 100 m. using .270 and i got 100% integrity bonus.

[Fido]

Thanks a lot for such a detailed explanation :)

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

Here is a list of my recommended calibres per species:

Fox- .243
Coyote-30-30
Roe Deer- 30-30
Fallow deer- 30-30
blacktail deer- 30-30
whitetail deer- .270
wild boar- .270
black bear- 7mm
red deer- 7mm
roosevelt elk- .338
moose- .338
Bison- .338

If you follow this, you will do the most damage possible to the animal and still get 100% integrity bonus and 100% quick kill if you get a nice clean vital shot. Just remember to get close-medium range with the 30-30, it's damage drops off significantly at longer ranges.

Maybe you should read the existing pinned topic and use the table provided?

http://steamcommunity.com/app/518790/discussions/0/133258092237301549/

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

You only need to know the most powerful calibre per species that gives 100% integrity, that table shows a lot of unnecessary and obvious information (like lower calibers give 100% integrity, durrr). This list I provided is a simplified version.

So where did you get your information from? You've played 26 hours.

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

Originally posted by Silky Rough:

So where did you get your information from? You've played 26 hours.

The codex in the pause menu. However, I have noticed that the codex is wrong on several occasions as I own the guns myself.

This is what I'm asking? How could you own all the guns in 26 hours of play and then claim this is "my recommended calibres per species" in that same time but also declare the codex is wrong because you own all the guns.

There is no way you've tested and fired all 12 weapons on all 6 species and from that be able to provide "recommendations" to anyone in 26 hours of play. Proper recommendations should include all other factors, eg: *why* we select Gun X for Species Y.

eg: A .223 is superior for long range fox/yotes, it's lighter for a start. You've clearly not used one or you'd know.

You claim a 30-30 for most deer when most of those deer will fall to a .243 at 100% integrity without the *cost* involved. A 270 will drop reds, whites and blacks at long range with 100% integrity (I even shoot bear and elk with a 270). Far cheaper to buy and operate than a 30-30.

I'm fully aware people have preferences and bias but your recommendations are well, just plain bad for beginners (unobtainable for the most part) and completely wrong for non-beginners.

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

You clearly don't own the 30-30 or you would know that the 30-30 ammmunition is actually cheaper than the .243 so you are clearly wrong, again I would know because I own it and use it.

A 30-30 is 24k. A 270 is half the price and double the effective range - hence the higher price ammo. And yes, you're correct, I don't own a 30-30 because I shoot long so it's of no use to me. Currently racking dollars for the 338 because that gun will suit my style of shooting much better.

And that's exactly my point. "Recommendations" have to include other factors such as cost to equip and how it's going to be used. eg: OP is missing stuff with the far more accurate 270 - something I point out with my 2 images. A 30-30 is not a solution unless he's a "brawler" and not a "hunter".

You show me a 100% integrity on a 225m red with a 30-30 and I'll reconsider your advice.

(as an aside, I used to own a 30-30 in RL. It never came out for roos but was always used for shooting camels and TB'd cattle - that we chased down with a vehicle.)

[Tanktyr]

Accuracy shouldnt be called that tbh, it should be Stability, since it all it does it tell you how much a gun woobles

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

My list has nothing to do with price or effective range, it's about doing the most dmage whilst still obtaining 100% integrity and I never pretended it was anything else. But good to see that you have changed your tune on the running cost. I guess you went in game to check the ammo price afterall ;)

I'm glad you've made that point clear and that others also see your "recommendations" are NOT based on practical use advice - such as accuracy - only stopping power. The exact same data they could have got from the post I linked anyway but meh....

And yep, was about to play anyway and because I don't use the 30-30 (as I said) I had to check the ammo price. The extra $12k for a short range brawler when other weapons will do the same thing at better ranges was my point also.

Saving $12k upfront and guaranteeing a 200m shot on a $1400 beast validates *exactly* what I'm saying. Your "recommendation" costs $12k extra up front and saves... (cough) ~$50 a round. It also guarantees you'll probably miss or spend the next 2 hours looking for it limping on a sore toe.

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

I guess it's just another ill-informed comment of yours again as you haven't even bought a 30-30 yet because of your own preferences and bias. It's weird how you accuse others of that and yet you are the only one that keeps doing it here. I happen to love long range shooting with the .270, it's rather fun. It's just...'simpler'.

Sure Tex. Say no more. There's not one more ounce of skill required to shoot at 75-150m because they'll all walk right in. Heck, zoom in, fill the view and pull the trigger. I shoot foxes with a bow so not much is going to impress me using a cannon at 75m. No, it won't Tex.

Now "skill". Show me a 100% shot - like my red at 225m - with a 30-30 and I'll subscribe to your Yippy Yi Yay "recommendations". Go one further, 300m plus. Then you'll know why most people use a 270.

But... what's this then?

Just remember to get close-medium range with the 30-30, it's damage drops off significantly at longer ranges.

Seems my time here was not wasted. Saw you edited this in after I mentioned range is a *significant * factor in weapon choice and people should not bother with your "recommendations" based purely on stopping power. The "stopping power" is a myth after X range - which was the problem I had with your "expertise" in the first place.

Even you agree. Glad it's now sorted and on the record.

[Silky Rough]

Originally posted by Sʜɪғᴛʏ Ƭнє Rєɗ Acє:

I beat your 225m scoped .270 Huntsman shot with a close range weapon and yes I got the 100% integrity bonus you asked for too. I'll smash that 300m+ shot you asked for as well. Now what was that about subscribing to my ''Yippy Yi Yay'' recommendations? And FYI I'm not American or Texan, I'm British.

Way to prove a point Tex. A butt shot that you had to chase - which is exactly what I've been telling you.

Look again at the red deer shot of mine at same range with a 270. Note the insta-kill. What you're effectively doing, as I've been saying all along, is that in order to save $50 on a bullet, you're using a gun that costs twice as much AND risks the kill - which may mean complete loss of the beast and/or a second bullet. That's exactly why you'd use a .270 and NOT the 30.30 because you still get the integrity AND at a reduced risk.

Put simply, it's the wrong tool for the job and you just proved it.

Go hard with 300m+. You'll waste a whole lot of "$50 savings" to get the same result I can with a .270. A point you're just not getting.

btw: "Tex" is due to this love affair with the 30.30 as a weapon of choice (look up it's history) - nothing to do with where you live.

Aim high Tex. :)