Chess Master vs Chess Ultra

[Eastwood27]

Opinion? which one is better?

[LarsenB]

"Chess Master" as in the old Chessmaster series by Software Toolworks/Ubisoft?

In that case, I think Chessmaster is still a more complete package... the learning section is massive, with extensive and good quality tutorials, the engine is good and very customizable, to create your own AI "personalities" (and there are many already), there's a database section that, while not on par with Chessbase/Scid etc. is serviceable enough, and the analysis tools are nice.

On the other hand, multiplayer is dead (and was not that well implemented in the first place) and they are not so easy to come by... I think CM 9000 was briefly on GOG but then had to be retired from the store, so as far as I know there's no digital edition available anywere, even of the latest CM XI, and you have to find a boxed copy

[DarkStarClassic]

Multiplayer of most chess games is dead because you have really good chess sites for free with 10s of thousend of players like chess.com

[ＫΞＬΛ]

I like this one better,and this is cross play between xbox and ps4 users so more chance to find people online, besides that this is the better looking Chess

[Kandsmerlin]

If we're to base it just on ELO score alone... Chessmaster has a better engine (which uses "The King" Chess engine) and it's ELO score hovers around 2800 or so. I'm not sure what engine Chess Ultra uses but its grandmaster only has an ELO of 1720 or so. That being said, I would think that Chessmaster is a more powerful and complete chess program than Chess Ultra. However, in terms of eye-candy, Chess Ultra wins.

[Ripstone]

Messaggio originale di =EGC= Tide:

If we're to base it just on ELO score alone... Chessmaster has a better engine (which uses "The King" Chess engine) and it's ELO score hovers around 2800 or so. I'm not sure what engine Chess Ultra uses but its grandmaster only has an ELO of 1720 or so. That being said, I would think that Chessmaster is a more powerful and complete chess program than Chess Ultra. However, in terms of eye-candy, Chess Ultra wins.

To clear up some confusion about the Grandmaster ELO, each AI level has a set difficulty rating, so Grandmaster will play at the same level every time (around 2400/2500). BUT, Grandmaster's ELO will change depending on how the community is performing against that specific level. So if more players are losing to Grandmaster than winning, the ELO will increase. This explains why the rating for Grandmaster could show temporarily lower than Expert for example. Hope tbis explains it! We're currently exploring options to make this clearer in game.

[Kandsmerlin]

Messaggio originale di Ripstone:

To clear up some confusion about the Grandmaster ELO, each AI level has a set difficulty rating, so Grandmaster will play at the same level every time (around 2400/2500). BUT, Grandmaster's ELO will change depending on how the community is performing against that specific level. So if more players are losing to Grandmaster than winning, the ELO will increase. This explains why the rating for Grandmaster could show temporarily lower than Expert for example. Hope tbis explains it! We're currently exploring options to make this clearer in game.

So then does that mean that the grandmaster in Chess Ultra employs a kind of adaptive-learning mechanism that improves with time? Or to put it another way, if I were to play against the grandmaster today, I'd have a better chance at winning than I would if I were to play against it a month or a year from now?

[Chewable C++]

Messaggio originale di =EGC= Tide:

Messaggio originale di Ripstone:

To clear up some confusion about the Grandmaster ELO, each AI level has a set difficulty rating, so Grandmaster will play at the same level every time (around 2400/2500). BUT, Grandmaster's ELO will change depending on how the community is performing against that specific level. So if more players are losing to Grandmaster than winning, the ELO will increase. This explains why the rating for Grandmaster could show temporarily lower than Expert for example. Hope tbis explains it! We're currently exploring options to make this clearer in game.

So then does that mean that the grandmaster in Chess Ultra employs a kind of adaptive-learning mechanism that improves with time? Or to put it another way, if I were to play against the grandmaster today, I'd have a better chance at winning than I would if I were to play against it a month or a year from now?

No, he means that the AI's numeric rating is not static but affected by match outcome. The way the AI plays is the same.

It's no different from how ELO for real players can behave - could go up or down regardless of whether player skill has changed.

[Ripstone]

Messaggio originale di Chewable C++:

Messaggio originale di =EGC= Tide:

So then does that mean that the grandmaster in Chess Ultra employs a kind of adaptive-learning mechanism that improves with time? Or to put it another way, if I were to play against the grandmaster today, I'd have a better chance at winning than I would if I were to play against it a month or a year from now?

No, he means that the AI's numeric rating is not static but affected by match outcome. The way the AI plays is the same.

It's no different from how ELO for real players can behave - could go up or down regardless of whether player skill has changed.

Exactly right! We're looking at whether this is too confusing/if there are better ways to make it clearer. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated as always.

ps. I'm not a he haha, Hollie here :) No way for you to have known that, but thought I would share.

[LarsenB]

Messaggio originale di Ripstone:

Exactly right! We're looking at whether this is too confusing/if there are better ways to make it clearer. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated as always.

Maybe, in the opponent selection screen, just leave the static value to identify each level built-in strenght and add a "(+- xxx)" to show performance against the community?

[Chewable C++]

I guess the big question is whether ratings are treated as provisional for any length of time. It doesn't look like they are currently, and that could be a problem for AI ELOs, since most people starting the game are not actually rated 1200.