was ooze impossible depend on the rng?

[Ｂｏｏｂｓ]

upon matching condition, i think the ooze one can't be clear at all. am i wrong?

1. you finished x-2 while have low health and run out of heal item
2. that's it.. depend on the rng of the mission (and your character) it's possible to not be able to cleared the floor at all in the time no matter how good you are (run from entrance to point A of a mission, and run to point b to do another mission and from point b to the point c to the exit (if the rng are bad and you get 3 mission, which some of them take time i.e. operate all switch or neutralize multiple guys) is slower than the speed of the ooze can spread)

other disaster can be work around or 'git good' even when you're at 1hp with just a punch to bruteforce it (the time bomb is kinda similar but it isn't on the rng since the disaster itself is a mission)

sorry for my poor english. well my point is to suggestion to add a foolproof for the ooze disaster so it will stop to hurt player at 1 hp or something which make it isn't impossible to clear under a certain condition

[bambeck]

The solution is to "git good", as you put it. Get good enough that you're not forced to finish level 2 with low health and no healing items. If you're good enough to survive non-disaster levels with low health and no healing items, then you're good enough to not get in that situation to begin with.

And if you're not that good, well, then, you die. That's the consequence of not being good enough. What kind of game would it be if you couldn't lose?

[Ｂｏｏｂｓ]

Originally posted by bambeck:

The solution is to "git good", as you put it. Get good enough that you're not forced to finish level 2 with low health and no healing items. If you're good enough to survive non-disaster levels with low health and no healing items, then you're good enough to not get in that situation to begin with.

And if you're not that good, well, then, you die. That's the consequence of not being good enough. What kind of game would it be if you couldn't lose?

because it is just unreasonable to get insta kill (well, not really. but you'll die anyway) in a specific case no matter how good you're with no work around. other disaster can be work around or playing good enough (even tho in some case low chance to do so), and no, you won't die in all other disaster case and can be clear even at 1 hp with all class

well, actually i'm talking about the design here not the player skill which is (imo) flaw and inconsistent with the content released so far (especially with the point of 'play the game your way' and matt add a full proof to almost every situation i.e. punch or computer or lock thing plus not all class are the same on combat/ability to play the run) so i tried to point that out

and it isn't something impossible either if you considered there's an endless mutator and ooze increased speed every level

btw withdrawal can't kill you either (it will stop at 20 hp) and there's no direct -hp such as poison or acid in random status effect disaster

[Old Man]

Buddy, I'm drunk and pissed and let me tell you you're wrong.
You can still die if you hang out too long in the War Zone.
You can still die if you stay too much in the Random Status Effects disaster.
The Ooze is to make sure you're on a steady pace up north and fast.
I mean really, if you manage to clear the Time Bombs but struggle with the Ooze, well I'm sorry to say but you're a basic ♥♥♥♥♥.
And yeah Withdrawal can't kill you, but it leaves you considerably vulnerable and you can prevent that by, get this, using items. Crazy, I know.
Every time I get the Ooze, it doesn't even cover half the level. Regardless of character. If I can do it, you can too. Now how about you start teaching that Ooze who's the boss instead of going on rants of meaningless words?

[Ｂｏｏｂｓ]

^ i didn't struggle with ooze, i didn't even see it as a hard disaster. i'm talking about the design here man..

no, you can't die in war zone if you're good enough and can dodge all attack come at you

you can't die directly as long as you be careful about status effect and don't make people mad at you or go into npc sight without plan

i know ooze meant to do that

again i'm NOT struggle with ooze, i'm just talking about it's theoretically impossible to win with ooze in a specific case (which there's none so far like this in this game as long as you're good)

i know ooze isn't a hard disaster and it's rather slow right now but it's just theoretically flaw

[Aquillion]

It's not like touching the ooze is instant death. Generally speaking, if you stockpile food you should be able to sprint across ooze with little trouble. It's fairly important to spend time on the levels without disasters to prepare for the levels that have them.

You can also do things like using explosives to create entrances in places where the ooze hasn't spread yet, or using bombs, poison, powerful weapons and similar things to resolve dangerous missions quickly, rushing through the level before the ooze has a chance to spread too far.

[Old Man]

Originally posted by braboobssiere:

^ i didn't struggle with ooze, i didn't even see it as a hard disaster. i'm talking about the design here man..

no, you can't die in war zone if you're good enough and can dodge all attack come at you

you can't die directly as long as you be careful about status effect and don't make people mad at you or go into npc sight without plan

i know ooze meant to do that

again i'm NOT struggle with ooze, i'm just talking about it's theoretically impossible to win with ooze in a specific case (which there's none so far like this in this game as long as you're good)

i know ooze isn't a hard disaster and it's rather slow right now but it's just theoretically flaw

Alright, now that I'm sober I can see your point. But still, there is one thing "theorethically" and another "in practice".
Also, sorry if I sounded like an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
I was drunk and all.

[[NLP] frank_mauser]

this has nothing to do but i could not find another way of contacting you
where is your profile picture from?

[Casper Skye]

I find the ooze disaster the easiest disaster to get through, do your missions in the right order (from the ooze spawn to the exit) and if you don't pass a mission on the way to the exit, it's actually not that hard. The "impossible disaster is war zone" at least for me, it lags my computer to the point that i can barely move.

[Ryncage]

its not even theoretically impossible given those conditions you listed. Really hard? yeah sure. But its just a matter of skill.

The only way it could be "impossible" is if ooze were to spawn from the exit, but that doesnt happen.

[Saikar]

Ooze is a very boring disaster. Its like the hidden bombs but less punishing since you can still be slow and not instantly lose, you just take low damage as you run.

The disaster levels are basically this games' boss fights. I make sure to go into them at peak form, because you're likely to have to spend more resources to play either a harder level or play faster and abandon more subtle, low risk options.

[Dingdong09]

I found ooze really annoying when doing the zombie quest since all the zombeis you spawn end up dying to it.

[Martin Harris]

I don't mind ooze that much, what you really need to do on any disaster is waste no time, just go for objectives and of course if you can save items but if you need something to break a wall just use it