Problem with the "present elf"

[RacerCubby]

he is too cheap

and U can become out the gift a next Present elf, this is to OP!!!

[Ryedestructor]

Does it matter if he's OP though?

[RacerCubby]

What is, U have 5 "present elf" and from 3 present come "ice golem" out, this is very OP!!!

[Ryedestructor]

Originally posted by RacerCubby:

What is, U have 5 "present elf" and from 3 present come "ice golem" out, this is very OP!!!

A. It's a secret unit, those tend to be unbalanced anyways.

B. It's an RNG-based unit, which is inherently unbalanced. Sure, you might get all units worth more than the elf, but in most cases you're just gonna receive a weak melee or ranged unit such as a squire.

C. It's a singleplayer game, the only times when balance matters is in the case of playing campaigns. The official campaigns (usually) disable secret units, and you can just choose to not use elf in other campaigns.

The elf is just a silly, one-off RNG unit that should really only be used in sandbox. No one is forcing you to use it, and any campaign involving the elf is probably terrible anyways.

[Lucas_rA9]

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

Originally posted by RacerCubby:

What is, U have 5 "present elf" and from 3 present come "ice golem" out, this is very OP!!!

A. It's a secret unit, those tend to be unbalanced anyways.

B. It's an RNG-based unit, which is inherently unbalanced. Sure, you might get all units worth more than the elf, but in most cases you're just gonna receive a weak melee or ranged unit such as a squire.

C. It's a singleplayer game, the only times when balance matters is in the case of playing campaigns. The official campaigns (usually) disable secret units, and you can just choose to not use elf in other campaigns.

The elf is just a silly, one-off RNG unit that should really only be used in sandbox. No one is forcing you to use it, and any campaign involving the elf is probably terrible anyways.

and D what is the ice golem, am i missing a unit? or do you mean ice giant?

[ravenaussie]

Originally posted by Lucas:

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

A. It's a secret unit, those tend to be unbalanced anyways.

B. It's an RNG-based unit, which is inherently unbalanced. Sure, you might get all units worth more than the elf, but in most cases you're just gonna receive a weak melee or ranged unit such as a squire.

C. It's a singleplayer game, the only times when balance matters is in the case of playing campaigns. The official campaigns (usually) disable secret units, and you can just choose to not use elf in other campaigns.

The elf is just a silly, one-off RNG unit that should really only be used in sandbox. No one is forcing you to use it, and any campaign involving the elf is probably terrible anyways.

and D what is the ice golem, am i missing a unit? or do you mean ice giant?

think they mean ice giant

[Ryedestructor]

Originally posted by ThatOneGuy:

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

A. It's a secret unit, those tend to be unbalanced anyways.

B. It's an RNG-based unit, which is inherently unbalanced. Sure, you might get all units worth more than the elf, but in most cases you're just gonna receive a weak melee or ranged unit such as a squire.

C. It's a singleplayer game, the only times when balance matters is in the case of playing campaigns. The official campaigns (usually) disable secret units, and you can just choose to not use elf in other campaigns.

The elf is just a silly, one-off RNG unit that should really only be used in sandbox. No one is forcing you to use it, and any campaign involving the elf is probably terrible anyways.

Stop lying to yourself and see the Present Elf is OP.

Yeah, it is, but why is that an issue? I'm not arguing that he isn't, I'm arguing that it's ok to have a few OP units in a singleplayer sandbox game.

[Ryedestructor]

Originally posted by 76561198134158321:

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

Yeah, it is, but why is that an issue? I'm not arguing that he isn't, I'm arguing that it's ok to have a few OP units in a singleplayer sandbox game.

Yet in earlier discussion you protected the fact it "isn't op".
Make up your mind.

When did I ever state present elf isn't op?

[Space Wizard]

Originally posted by ThatOneGuy:

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

Yeah, it is, but why is that an issue? I'm not arguing that he isn't, I'm arguing that it's ok to have a few OP units in a singleplayer sandbox game.

Yet in earlier discussion you protected the fact it "isn't op".
Make up your mind.

he never said that the present elf wasn't OP.

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

Does it matter if he's OP though?

[Space Wizard]

the odds of the present elf giving you a decent unit is pretty damn low, let alone a dark peasant. If there was to be a really overpowered unit that could one shot a super peasant but couldn't hit the water if they fell in it, would that be considered OP?

[Space Wizard]

Originally posted by ThatOneGuy:

Originally posted by Space Wizard:

the odds of the present elf giving you a decent unit is pretty damn low, let alone a dark peasant. If there was to be a really overpowered unit that could one shot a super peasant but couldn't hit the water if they fell in it, would that be considered OP?

We aren't talking about water lol

You clearly didn't get what I said. I was saying (essentially) if a unit could one shot a super peasant, but only had a 1% chance of hitting it's target, would it be OP?

[Space Wizard]

Originally posted by ThatOneGuy:

Originally posted by Space Wizard:

You clearly didn't get what I said. I was saying (essentially) if a unit could one shot a super peasant, but only had a 1% chance of hitting it's target, would it be OP?

Yes, even if it has a low chance of hitting it.
PE is a decently priced unit. Meaning S P A M
So you have a good chance of getting good units, good units together have a higher chance of hitting because there is more, and you don't have to reset every time, because its a good chance to get the good units. Soooooooo, yes.

well the present elf can be killed quite easily from range

[Space Wizard]

Archers are cheaper though.

[Space Wizard]

besides it's a single player game, so it shouldn't cause that much issues

[Ryedestructor]

Originally posted by ThatOneGuy:

Originally posted by Ryedestructor:

When did I ever state present elf isn't op?

You said he's luck based, and isn't op.

Luck based doesn't mean not op. Just means that he's inherently difficult to balance.

And, again, why the hell does it matter if present elf is op?

[Nekogaming1500]

Bruh lmao saying they are a secret unit doesn't mean they don't need to be balanced. If that was true, the Ice Giant wouldn't have gotten a price buff.