This community is a travesty, and it's the Developers fault.

[The Devils Own]

I'm going to say some things that's going to probably make you mad, and I don't care.

I cannot believe after all the amount of constant minges and clans full of themselves with their heads so far up each others asses acting like snobby entitled children. Much of these regiments act like literal man children by mass reporting, tking, hindering efforts or just straight up flaming and harassment. And the developers are much to blame for the state of the community this game has generated as they not only attempt to confront the issue, but they actually actively promote the discourse between everyone to the point yall forget your playing a video game.

Like seriously take a look at the steam reviews, the game's ratings are tanking because everyone has had some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sweaty virgin who hadn't touched grass in weeks having a power trip or had his favorite bicycle taken while he was sleeping and offline decide to mass report numerous amounts of people to exploit the half-ass banning system the developers have put in place and never bothered to fix in order to counter its abuse and it's been going on like this now for nearly 5 years.

Like do you all want this game to be nothing but an elitist loyalist overlydumb community that chooses to behave as if they were 5 years old and bicker and ♥♥♥♥♥ at each other over ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? This is starting to get ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at this point and the responses the devs have provided, lack of, have been completely unacceptable. People act like they're in a real war sometimes, but probably can't even run one mile. All I ask is if you're doing this, just stop because you don't become part of the solution you only become part of the problem so quit being a part of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ problem and don't kill this game off with your childish arrogance.

As for the Developers, you have a real great game here and I love it, but you're screwing it up by not addressing these issues! I already hung my hat, and I swear many others are starting to do the same. Don't let it die out like this!

[CadeyrnOfAlesia]

We need a second Shard for players who don't want to be part of elitist clans.
I speak in jest since there's no way to police morality in a game without ruining it.
However, clans who do engage in this sort of childish behavior should be shunned by everyone else since they are ruining our game for all of us.

All this said, I have never seen the ban system abused in person. I have only heard people tell me about it and there are two sides to every story. In my experience, if you dig down the story is often something like this:
Person A was behaving like an immature @hole towards person B
Person B retaliated by killing person A or destroying his stuff.
Person A misrepresents person B's actions as "alting," causing well meaning people to ban person B

The commanders of the large regiments really need to discipline their @holes because they not only make these large regiments look bad, but they are causing people to leave the game and rightfully blame the large regiments.
On the flip side, please don't overreact to people behaving like imbeciles in game.

[The Devils Own]

@CadeyrnOfAlesia And I totally get it that isolated incidents between Persons A or B happens and the only reason I only speak on it was because in the past a clan member from 82DK while back have him permabanned for simply refusing to join him in an assault, but that guy got banned later on when he did it to more people I think.

The game is already really busy at this point and morale can tank hard understandably when one side is losing hard, but sometimes the combination of those Ass Hats and the lack of protection to do anything against their seething primal rage is enough to drive you mad.

[CadeyrnOfAlesia]

Originally posted by The Devils Own:

I totally get it that isolated incidents between Persons A or B happens and the only reason I only speak on it was because in the past a clan member from 82DK while back have him permabanned for simply refusing to join him in an assault, but that guy got banned later on when he did it to more people I think.

I agree. I too have encountered a few members of 82DK who were acted like arrogant ass hats. Almost everyone who I talk about this with has had similar experiences and this makes 82DK uniquely disliked by a huge number of players. The prevalence of ornery imbeciles in 82DK reflects poorly on their organization.

As far as my experiences go, the commanders are generally fine. And if you talk to them, they at least claim that they'll "look into it."
But it does reflect pretty poorly on them that they're attracting the worst characters in the game. If you're reading this and are in 82DK and are offended, take this as an opportunity to reflect and help fix your clan before it becomes as infamous as WNS. Please stop your team mates from making your regiment look like a gang of abusive a-holes.
Because most of you are fine people who don't deserve this reputation.

[Pineapple]

They still got mods in the clans like in the old days?

[Evilgenius]

Never had any of these problems, it comes mainky down to this: Be nice, get treated nice. Don't do stupid wasteful things, and if you don't know something, ask.

[Watereaters]

I never had these problems.

[yurisuika]

Maybe it goes on within regiment chat, but

Originally posted by CadeyrnOfAlesia:

We need a second Shard for players who don't want to be part of elitist clans.
I speak in jest since there's no way to police morality in a game without ruining it.
However, clans who do engage in this sort of childish behavior should be shunned by everyone else since they are ruining our game for all of us.

While a second shard wouldn't hurt, it would have to have some limitations.

First, it would have to be a cut down version of the map. The player count is solid for one full size map, but it could definitely not support two. A smaller, core center area without the intricacies required for all of the logistics and too many bridge fights would be optimal. At least take out the outer ring of regions, maybe even the second ring. 7 regions could be enough when everyone is a new player or more casual.

Second, disable Regiments in this shard. If they are the source of the toxicity, as you see it, then this would be a perfect opportunity to try something different and see how it affects it.

There, you can have a social experiment and see how it pans out without completely cleaving the community!

[Iskander]

Originally posted by The Devils Own:

in the past a clan member from 82DK while back have him permabanned for simply refusing to join him in an assault, but that guy got banned later on when he did it to more people I think.

You can not get permabanned by a single player.
You can not even get permabanned by an entire clan mass reporting.
This is a myth that you are continuing, with zero factual basis.
The only way to get permabanned, is for the devs to look at your behaviour and deciding you are such a toxic element, repeatedly violating the rules of the game, that you are banned from playing the game any further.

Once you realize this, you will realize that many of the negative reviews that claim they were "banned for doing absolutely nothing wrong" are complete hogwash.

[CadeyrnOfAlesia]

Originally posted by yurisuika:

Maybe it goes on within regiment chat, but

Originally posted by CadeyrnOfAlesia:

We need a second Shard for players who don't want to be part of elitist clans.
I speak in jest since there's no way to police morality in a game without ruining it.
However, clans who do engage in this sort of childish behavior should be shunned by everyone else since they are ruining our game for all of us.

While a second shard wouldn't hurt, it would have to have some limitations.

First, it would have to be a cut down version of the map. The player count is solid for one full size map, but it could definitely not support two. A smaller, core center area without the intricacies required for all of the logistics and too many bridge fights would be optimal. At least take out the outer ring of regions, maybe even the second ring. 7 regions could be enough when everyone is a new player or more casual.

Second, disable Regiments in this shard. If they are the source of the toxicity, as you see it, then this would be a perfect opportunity to try something different and see how it affects it.

There, you can have a social experiment and see how it pans out without completely cleaving the community!

I don't want to give the impression that regiments are the source of toxicity. Crappy people will still exist with or without regiments. And in my experience, most regiments are wholesome and friendly.
I think that the problem is a very small number of people not being disciplined in a few infamous regiments.

That said, I'd be more than interested in conducting social experiments on Shard 2. I heard that they once forced players to choose between gas masks and gas lol. Not sure if that's true though.

[BlazingScribe]

Originally posted by CadeyrnOfAlesia:

Originally posted by The Devils Own:

I totally get it that isolated incidents between Persons A or B happens and the only reason I only speak on it was because in the past a clan member from 82DK while back have him permabanned for simply refusing to join him in an assault, but that guy got banned later on when he did it to more people I think.

I agree. I too have encountered a few members of 82DK who were acted like arrogant ass hats. Almost everyone who I talk about this with has had similar experiences and this makes 82DK uniquely disliked by a huge number of players. The prevalence of ornery imbeciles in 82DK reflects poorly on their organization.

As far as my experiences go, the commanders are generally fine. And if you talk to them, they at least claim that they'll "look into it."
But it does reflect pretty poorly on them that they're attracting the worst characters in the game. If you're reading this and are in 82DK and are offended, take this as an opportunity to reflect and help fix your clan before it becomes as infamous as WNS. Please stop your team mates from making your regiment look like a gang of abusive a-holes.
Because most of you are fine people who don't deserve this reputation.

So, in fairness. 82DK is well known for two reasons.

First, it's been around a long time, since the very beginning of the game pretty much. If it isn't the oldest active Warden clan it is certainly in the top five. A regiment that old builds up a history, both good and bad. Plus there's some myth making involved. There is a "all nonessential personell" meme on YouTube that's pretty funny and is a good example of this.

Second, 82DK is one of the largest and most prolific clans. It is also one that roleplays a bit after the 40k Krieger regiments. So again, a lot of people interact with them, and there is more potential for negative interactions.

As for WNS, there is a documentary on Jade Cove I recommend you watch. It might clarify some things about the late regiment.

That said, many clans do have a habit of pushing their way through randoms. I once commanded my tank to blow up a guy because he was blocking a bridge and holding up not only my tank but the convoy of random trucks behind me. Armor has right of way we told him. "Shoot me, I don't care" he said. so we did, and we and the logi drivers behind us thought it was hilarious. That was still a rude and inconsiderate method of solving the problem, funny though it was at the time. This kind of thing isn't uncommon; clans have plans, they have force to back up what they want, and they are under time pressure. So they do stuff like that and just expect everyone to get on with it.

TLDR, I think the bad reputation of clans is frequently exaggerated and based on hearsay. Most are pretty cool people. But the competitive aspect of all of this can and does bring out the worst in people, and that can lead players, particularly those in clans, to do things that reflect poorly on themselves and their organizations.

[CadeyrnOfAlesia]

Originally posted by BlazingScribe:

TLDR, I think the bad reputation of clans is frequently exaggerated and based on hearsay. Most are pretty cool people. But the competitive aspect of all of this can and does bring out the worst in people, and that can lead players, particularly those in clans, to do things that reflect poorly on themselves and their organizations.

I agree with you. The vast majority of my interactions with 82DK have been positive. However, the vast majority of my negative interactions with people have also been from 82DK members. And it's not just me either. Most people whom I have talked with about bad actors in-game have either told me that it was with 82DK or "they were French."
I'm not trying to offend anyone. This is simply what people have told me and what I have experienced myself. (incidentally, I've never had a bad interaction with a French clan)

For instance, I was fighting beside an 82DK tank crew last Christmas and noticed that their tank was unlocked. I said, "Hey guys, lock your tank. Enemies might jump in."
They said "F*** off loser"
I said, "Okay, then I guess I'll go find a different front."
The driver said, "Oh no, one f***ing rifle man is leaving. Who cares?"
And I was literally the only person who had been building up that front.

Why was he such an a**hole? And on Christmas? I have no idea. Maybe he didn't get any presents and his family hates him. But I literally had never met the guy before then. Just the other day, in War 93, a friend of mine had a similar interaction with an 82DK tank crew. They just began abusing him for no reason after he gave them information about inbound enemy armor.
My point here is that the 82DK needs to start disciplining its d***heads because they give the regiment a reputation they do not deserve since most are excellent people.

[Iskander]

Originally posted by CadeyrnOfAlesia:

My point here is that the 82DK needs to start disciplining its d***heads because they give the regiment a reputation they do not deserve since most are excellent people.

Contact an officer, explain the situation and which 82DK members were involved and I guarantee you that the officers will take the complaint seriously.

[Faded]

For you to complain that much, is probably you pissing people off a lot. I have over 1400 hours and don't encounter this.

[Omar]

Originally posted by CadeyrnOfAlesia:

Originally posted by BlazingScribe:

TLDR, I think the bad reputation of clans is frequently exaggerated and based on hearsay. Most are pretty cool people. But the competitive aspect of all of this can and does bring out the worst in people, and that can lead players, particularly those in clans, to do things that reflect poorly on themselves and their organizations.

I agree with you. The vast majority of my interactions with 82DK have been positive. However, the vast majority of my negative interactions with people have also been from 82DK members. And it's not just me either. Most people whom I have talked with about bad actors in-game have either told me that it was with 82DK or "they were French."
I'm not trying to offend anyone. This is simply what people have told me and what I have experienced myself. (incidentally, I've never had a bad interaction with a French clan)

For instance, I was fighting beside an 82DK tank crew last Christmas and noticed that their tank was unlocked. I said, "Hey guys, lock your tank. Enemies might jump in."
They said "F*** off loser"
I said, "Okay, then I guess I'll go find a different front."
The driver said, "Oh no, one f***ing rifle man is leaving. Who cares?"
And I was literally the only person who had been building up that front.

Why was he such an a**hole? And on Christmas? I have no idea. Maybe he didn't get any presents and his family hates him. But I literally had never met the guy before then. Just the other day, in War 93, a friend of mine had a similar interaction with an 82DK tank crew. They just began abusing him for no reason after he gave them information about inbound enemy armor.
My point here is that the 82DK needs to start disciplining its d***heads because they give the regiment a reputation they do not deserve since most are excellent people.

wait a second these people sound like i've ran into them a few times, do they happen to lose alot tanks and yell at people to rush to their deaths , oh wait thats just about every clan nvm

[Horny Rooster]

Originally posted by Pineapple:

They still got mods in the clans like in the old days?

no, mods don't exist at all now