A game so reliant on the community, it makes you feel like nobody can be trusted.

[Thwartgorgon75]

This game not only allows elitism, theft and clans with game controlling capabilities to exist, but actively encourages this in its mechanics.

You want to play solo? Enjoy building in any capacity? And have a decent in-combat experience where you can tell where the fighting is and participate in game changing battles? Yes? Well get lost!

You play solo then you are locked out of 80% of the game's mechanics right from the beginning. The combat is slightly disorienting at best as an infantryman and you will never get to see progress get made unless you are a good little dog for your clanmen overlords.

Build a fort solo or with friends? well make sure you got a few alt accounts because the amount of TK you will need to do to keep it secure is astronomical.

Given the nature of crafting in this game, getting anything good requires a wrench, maybe a truck and the realisation that your 'comrades' are just walking loot pinatas. So remind yourself when you see heavy equipment you would like to use and a clanman tries to stop you... it does not truly belong to anyone... and it is your responsibility to make sure it is utilised to fulfil its purpose.

The clans? they control entire regions of the map so don't think you can enjoy the stuff the devs put out without some internal espionage. Don't get caught or you might need to jump to a new region or worse you get banned for being an alt despite the clanmen doing the same thing since the beginning of existence.

It does not help there are also actual alts in each of the factions that are usually free to do what they do since they only specialise in intelligence gathering, which cannot be easily identified nor dealt with within a timely manner.

[Thwartgorgon75]

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How would alts break it? If you mean clog up roads with fodder vehicles? Implement nanite system as requisition and remove the vehicle lock feature.
Edit: something I forgot to mention is the nanite system only allows 1 vehicle instance to exist, meaning you cannot spam low cost vehicles.

Our regiment conducted tank operation yesterday. We have prepared 15 tanks in advance, but only used 5 simultaneously. As soon as 1 got destroyed, it got replaced after few minutes. We were able to do this, because of preparation phase.

Say, there's nanite system. And we want 5 tanks at all time. We need to prepare 10 alt accounts that will spawn a vehicle as soon as previous is destroyed? That sounds bad.

It would depend if it was a light tank or not. You can quickly replace a light tank in planetside 2 a heavy tank requires a few minutes to become available again.

[Thwartgorgon75]

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On a personal note: I don't own Foxhole myself. I was just curious about the game, went through the discussion threads and this one kind of pops out to me (as similar threads that deal with a similar situation).

The issue you might be dealing with (from what I can reflect here) is a person who wants be more in to control inside a game. Let it be a self centered person if you like. You start a thread by kicking against the community of a game.

What I get from the whole idea, the game is simply driven by players (hence it is an MMO). Every MMO that contains some form of control over a region will have one or more groups working together as a team. It is because these type of games attract these type of players. Thus ergo, you are against the system that gets evolved dynamic. Usually these type of games deal with a high demand of competitiveness. And sometimes certain people are given a specific role (or are growing in to a role they see fit).

Just to clarify: I come from the universe of EVE online, and that is some hierarchy by itself. Not the most enjoyable game I will give it that, but I am having fun with it from time to time. Also I own Company of heroes, part of a clan and we do some serious gaming from time to time. It is a different way on how we play as a team. We train from time to time, do our grind here and there. And this is the way we love to play the game. As friends. And sometimes I play a single player game of Factorio, just to kill some time and trying to optimize my builds (so in that context you have a better understanding where I come from).

So here is my 2 cents on it. Either you find your way in to enjoying the game as it is, or I would simply suggest moving on to something else in stead. I mean this game might not be for you.

Personally I think you are already digging a hole for yourself by kicking against it while the game is run by the people you are kicking against.

This game is rather different than most mmo's since it happens regularly for most scrap pits to be empty meaning unlike the conventional mmo. It regularly happens to be that you simply cannot do anything unless a clan decides it. I've played eve it's not controlled by clans nearly as much as this game. To put simply, you would not believe me unless you played it yourself.

[Thwartgorgon75]

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case in point.........there's a thread where a guy got driving banned over simple accident with bikes being used as a fence or something, or being used to block people's way

This guy gets banned, and there is another thread where whine... yada yada yada.

Serious, you really want this to be the finest thread there is out there do you?

See if I care.

/me closes door

bye

Ok now you lost all benefit of the doubt. Leave. I'll close the door behind you.

[Thwartgorgon75]

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Personally I think you are already digging a hole for yourself by kicking against it while the game is run by the people you are kicking against.

Don't make assumptions like that when you don't understand the whole picture, you have already said you have not played the game. I have more people supporting this thread than those who do not.

[Thwartgorgon75]

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Escrito originalmente por power man:

*spits tea*

ROFL........CLANS SHARE!........ARE YOU F*CKING JOKING OMG!

that's.........the funniest crap i've ever read.......dude.......your just a lost cause with your "systems" to excuse unjust bans and lame excuses to defend bullying


oh god........i can't stop laughing right now..........XD

I'm merely trying to explain something you don't understand. There was no ban. Period.
He is talking about something else entirely.

As for clans sharing: They objectively do. There are multiple public logi clans who do exactly that: build public logi. How is that not sharing? You insist that all clans are evil TKers, where I'm trying to show you that the reality is more nuanced.

I'll give you the 1st paragraph, saw the discussion, dude deserved the limited suspension on driving.
Public guys usually are not clans, but subset of the community: The "Logi union"

[power man]

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Escrito originalmente por Iskander:

I'm merely trying to explain something you don't understand. There was no ban. Period.
He is talking about something else entirely.

As for clans sharing: They objectively do. There are multiple public logi clans who do exactly that: build public logi. How is that not sharing? You insist that all clans are evil TKers, where I'm trying to show you that the reality is more nuanced.

I'll give you the 1st paragraph, saw the discussion, dude deserved the limited suspension on driving.
Public guys usually are not clans, but subset of the community: The "Logi union"

you know when you were laughing at how deluded ppl are........like theres this group on Gmod that pretends malware mods don't exist and try so hard to defend this crap

[power man]

for some reason.....ppl who get stuck in their own delusional bubble are so lost in their delusions that they think anything you say is blasphemy or something.....it's really f*ckin weird

[Iskander]

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Escrito originalmente por Iskander:

I'm merely trying to explain something you don't understand. There was no ban. Period.
He is talking about something else entirely.

As for clans sharing: They objectively do. There are multiple public logi clans who do exactly that: build public logi. How is that not sharing? You insist that all clans are evil TKers, where I'm trying to show you that the reality is more nuanced.

I'll give you the 1st paragraph, saw the discussion, dude deserved the limited suspension on driving.
Public guys usually are not clans, but subset of the community: The "Logi union"

FMAT, T3c and WLL are three of the largest public logi clans.
V clan build some of the largest, most intricate and useful public facilities that churn out massive amounts of shells.
Every single oil and comp field on the Warden, Able side, is built up publicly. Whenever a clan is hogging comps or oil, one can lodge a complaint at TWERCS and that field will be forcefully opened up to the public.
I'm in a clan and I do public logi all the time, and so do others in my clan.
Whenever my clan does OPs, the entire region gets absolutely flooded with equipment that anyone is free to use, and this surplus lasts for a while.
My clan even maintains stockpiles that is free to use in any QRF situation and gets released to the public whenever needed.

[Iskander]

Escrito originalmente por power man:

for some reason.....ppl who get stuck in their own delusional bubble are so lost in their delusions that they think anything you say is blasphemy or something.....it's really f*ckin weird

Not trying to offend, but: you are one of them.
You frequently misunderstand things and when I try to point it out, you just LMAO ROFLMAO and ridicule and insult me, instead of responding in a respectful, mature manner.

Point in case: your misunderstanding of the bike incident. Even Thwartgorgon75 said I was right on that topic.
He even told someone who doesn't play the game that he can't possibly understand the whole picture, because he doesn't play the game.

[Thwartgorgon75]

Escrito originalmente por Iskander:

Escrito originalmente por Thwartgorgon75:

I'll give you the 1st paragraph, saw the discussion, dude deserved the limited suspension on driving.
Public guys usually are not clans, but subset of the community: The "Logi union"

FMAT, T3c and WLL are three of the largest public logi clans.
V clan build some of the largest, most intricate and useful public facilities that churn out massive amounts of shells.
Every single oil and comp field on the Warden, Able side, is built up publicly. Whenever a clan is hogging comps or oil, one can lodge a complaint at TWERCS and that field will be forcefully opened up to the public.
I'm in a clan and I do public logi all the time, and so do others in my clan.
Whenever my clan does OPs, the entire region gets absolutely flooded with equipment that anyone is free to use, and this surplus lasts for a while.
My clan even maintains stockpiles that is free to use in any QRF situation and gets released to the public whenever needed.

Logi union is built up of several small regiments. They tend to be individuals who have alot of hatred towards the Devs and clanmen. You are clearly in a logi union regiment. That's not usual clan behaviour.

[Iskander]

Escrito originalmente por Thwartgorgon75:

Escrito originalmente por Iskander:

FMAT, T3c and WLL are three of the largest public logi clans.
V clan build some of the largest, most intricate and useful public facilities that churn out massive amounts of shells.
Every single oil and comp field on the Warden, Able side, is built up publicly. Whenever a clan is hogging comps or oil, one can lodge a complaint at TWERCS and that field will be forcefully opened up to the public.
I'm in a clan and I do public logi all the time, and so do others in my clan.
Whenever my clan does OPs, the entire region gets absolutely flooded with equipment that anyone is free to use, and this surplus lasts for a while.
My clan even maintains stockpiles that is free to use in any QRF situation and gets released to the public whenever needed.

Logi union is built up of several small regiments. They tend to be individuals who have alot of hatred towards the Devs and clanmen. You are clearly in a logi union regiment. That's not usual clan behaviour.

I have never been in a logi union regiment.

On Warden, Able, there is a TWERCS organization, where important oil/comp fields are assigned into the care of clans or groups or solo, based on their plans and ability to make those resources publicly available to all. The better you make those resources available to all, the higher you are placed on the priority list for the next war. So if you mess up, don't make resources available, or let your facilities decay, you go down on the list. If you run a well-maintain a well-run facility and have lots of resources available to the public, you go up the list. Anyone can apply for caretakership of fields: clans, groups or solo. All that matters, is that you keep the resources flowing publicly.

So, on Warden, Able, the majority of the faction has come together a couple of wars ago, and decided that all facilities for these important resources NEED to be publicly accessible. It is not a perfect system, many things still go wrong, but it is an interesting and major effort by the faction as a whole to make as many resources publicly available to the faction as a whole.

[Thwartgorgon75]

Escrito originalmente por Iskander:

Escrito originalmente por Thwartgorgon75:

Logi union is built up of several small regiments. They tend to be individuals who have alot of hatred towards the Devs and clanmen. You are clearly in a logi union regiment. That's not usual clan behaviour.

I have never been in a logi union regiment.

On Warden, Able, there is a TWERCS organization, where important oil/comp fields are assigned into the care of clans or groups or solo, based on their plans and ability to make those resources publicly available to all. The better you make those resources available to all, the higher you are placed on the priority list for the next war. So if you mess up, don't make resources available, or let your facilities decay, you go down on the list. If you run a well-maintain a well-run facility and have lots of resources available to the public, you go up the list. Anyone can apply for caretakership of fields: clans, groups or solo. All that matters, is that you keep the resources flowing publicly.

So, on Warden, Able, the majority of the faction has come together a couple of wars ago, and decided that all facilities for these important resources NEED to be publicly accessible. It is not a perfect system, many things still go wrong, but it is an interesting and major effort by the faction as a whole to make as many resources publicly available to the faction as a whole.

There are 3 different types of regiments in foxhole:
Logi union regiment: They make sure the front and backline areas are supplied to a decent degree. They have public stockpiles and maintain most of the facilities.

The normie clanmen regiment: A regular clan that hoards a small stockpile for the desire of then doing a several hr operation. They usually fail with a few exceptions. There are also clans that hoard so much they forget to use it, they also fall into this category.

The Endgame Clans: These guys are the clans that have certain key locations around the map under their own control. They amass only the largest stockpile of both people and resources right from day 1. They then open their stockpiles when they believe the enemy may have overstretched their supplies in any way. They are the ones who end wars. though they sound cool, they are not very friendly to anyone in their clan and worse for anyone who isn't. If you are even a slight inconvenience they will steamroll through you to do their operation. Its like the astartes from warhammer they get the W but are not the nicest about it.

[Iskander]

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Escrito originalmente por Iskander:

I have never been in a logi union regiment.

On Warden, Able, there is a TWERCS organization, where important oil/comp fields are assigned into the care of clans or groups or solo, based on their plans and ability to make those resources publicly available to all. The better you make those resources available to all, the higher you are placed on the priority list for the next war. So if you mess up, don't make resources available, or let your facilities decay, you go down on the list. If you run a well-maintain a well-run facility and have lots of resources available to the public, you go up the list. Anyone can apply for caretakership of fields: clans, groups or solo. All that matters, is that you keep the resources flowing publicly.

So, on Warden, Able, the majority of the faction has come together a couple of wars ago, and decided that all facilities for these important resources NEED to be publicly accessible. It is not a perfect system, many things still go wrong, but it is an interesting and major effort by the faction as a whole to make as many resources publicly available to the faction as a whole.

There are 3 different types of regiments in foxhole:
Logi union regiment: They make sure the front and backline areas are supplied to a decent degree. They have public stockpiles and maintain most of the facilities.

The normie clanmen regiment: A regular clan that hoards a small stockpile for the desire of then doing a several hr operation. They usually fail with a few exceptions. There are also clans that hoard so much they forget to use it, they also fall into this category.

The Endgame Clans: These guys are the clans that have certain key locations around the map under their own control. They amass only the largest stockpile of both people and resources right from day 1. They then open their stockpiles when they believe the enemy may have overstretched their supplies in any way. They are the ones who end wars. though they sound cool, they are not very friendly to anyone in their clan and worse for anyone who isn't. If you are even a slight inconvenience they will steamroll through you to do their operation. Its like the astartes from warhammer they get the W but are not the nicest about it.

I disagree with parts of the classifications:
Logi union regiment: maintain most of the facilities
I believe most regiments maintain at least one facility. The regiment I'm currently in, for example, maintains one large facility and then usually two or three smaller facilities, closer to the frontline, producing shells, or upgrade pads for certain vehicle types.

The Endgame Clans:
I suppose the regiment I'm in could be classified as this, but:
They then open their stockpiles when they believe the enemy may have overstretched their supplies in any way
We have several "types" of stockpile
1. Main stockpile, only accessible by officers. This one is used for our weekly operation. Each week, an assessment is made how much and what type of equipment is needed and each week, the logi department tries to reach those goals. Most of this stockpile either gets used, or the excess gets moved to the next type of stockpile.
2. "Intra clan stockpile". Stockpiles accessible to anyone within the regiment. Anyone can contribute and anyone can use equipment in it. Whenever we need to quickly QRF, this is the stockpile we use. Only if the needed equipment is not found in these stockpiles, do we take from public stockpiles. Quite frequently, we also release equipment from these stockpiles to the public. So if the situation calls for AT weapons, we supply BBs with AT, so that the faction can use them to kill an enemy tank rush, for example. These stockpiles are often used to ship massive amounts of Bmats to the front, where we release to the public, or use it to build defenses ourselves.
3. Section stockpiles. Accessible to specific section members (for example: artillery, armour or combat engineers) Usually filled with stuff relevant for their section. Armour stockpile will have tanks and ammo, for example.
They are the ones who end wars I don't think any one regiment (or even a couple of regiments) can win a war. Unless you mean to provide an important breakthrough, which will eventually lead to a victory? If so: I suppose you are right. Especially with the power creep of the past few years, being able to provide 6+ Rail Cannons to an important border region is what causes wars to be won or lost.
they are not very friendly to anyone in their clan and worse for anyone who isn't.
My regiment is very friendly to anyone in the clan, and also very friendly to anyone who isn't. It is within the regiment's code of conduct, that we are required to be respectful, at all times, to everyone.
Whenever someone isn't respectful to others, they get reprimanded, might even get demoted as punishment, or in the worst cases: immediately get expelled from the regiment.
Does that mean we are all saints? Of course not. We are all humans and we all have our bad days. But one thing that appealed to me about this regiment, is how everyone in it strives to be respectful towards everyone playing the game. I've been in a few regiments and this one really stood out in this regard.

[power man]

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Escrito originalmente por power man:

for some reason.....ppl who get stuck in their own delusional bubble are so lost in their delusions that they think anything you say is blasphemy or something.....it's really f*ckin weird

Not trying to offend, but: you are one of them.
You frequently misunderstand things and when I try to point it out, you just LMAO ROFLMAO and ridicule and insult me, instead of responding in a respectful, mature manner.

Point in case: your misunderstanding of the bike incident. Even Thwartgorgon75 said I was right on that topic.
He even told someone who doesn't play the game that he can't possibly understand the whole picture, because he doesn't play the game.

proven my point instantly.........ROFL!........you guys are so predictable

[power man]

yeah i did misunderstand that one..........ppl make mistakes ya know