The beat down on Collies is getting obnoxious

[Horny Rooster]

Ok guys, some experienced clans on wardens need to switch to collies and higher rank neutrals too. I switched to collies and a few others like Snoop switched, but its just not enough to balance the game out. There are so many low ranks on collies and lack of any coordination, they are great at mining and stockpiling but that's pretty much it. Basically, everyone wants to win so they stack wardens. New players, not knowing any better, go colonial.
I understand its feels ok for wardens to always win and toot their horn and say too bad colonials, but eventually what will happen is no one will play colonials, cause playing colonials means you lose, or people on colonials will just rage quit cause they always feel outmatched. Before, clans used to switch sides to balance things out, or actually give a win to one side or the other to give a semblance of balance between the teams, but that is all out the window. It's just obnoxious how stacked wardens are with clans, with ranks, with organization, and its sad that people, especially clans, want to win so badly they will continue to play on the same team even to the detriment of the game. They say, ohhh its loyalty, I am loyal to wardens, which doesn't mean anything except I have always played wardens, so I will always play wardens, even if it hurts the game.
Personally I won't even play this game anymore till collies start winning wars again cause there is no reason to play. You play wardens, ohh you win easily, you play on colonials, you lose easily. The fact that the players and especially clans won't step up to the plate and actually switch teams to add a semblance of balance just shows how despicable human nature is.

[A Talking Cucumber]

Originally posted by Patchouli:

On the other hand, I think it is you who doesn't understand what games are and is unable to grasp the concept of investment, or even what Foxhole is.

That FCL tag must be rubbing off on you.

I'm afraid I don't allow my feelings to be decided based on the organization I associate with, unlike you.

[Patchouli]

That is called 'loyalty'. Another concept you aren't familiar with, I see.

Also, while it's great to hear Collies bash 82DK - that means they're doing everything right - I implore you to compare the clan to the Collie alternative, which is alt accounters that pop up semi-regularly in reports and threads.

82DK claims its victories on a 100% fair basis. If you are upset about it, you have absolutely no one but yourself to blame.

Wardens have more reason to be upset about their work being destroyed by bitter alters who think that breaking the rules is the right answer to their defeats. Take this thread, for example, where the guy that was reported turned out to have been in one of the Collie clans:
https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/cn8juk/spy_shit_in_vipers/

That, right there, is the clear difference between factions.

[A Talking Cucumber]

Originally posted by Patchouli:

That is called 'loyalty'. Another concept you aren't familiar with, I see.

So you allow yourself to have your feelings/opinions changed based on the organization or faction you associate with? I actually feel sad for you if you have such little sense of self that you allow external forces to influence your opinions on people, groups, and other various concepts. But if that's loyalty to you, then you have fun with that.

[Patchouli]

You misunderstand, but I don't expect any better of you.

Collies give us plenty enough reasons to dislike them on a regular and objective basis. You don't need to associate with Wardens to see that - and in fact, plenty of people that switched to Collies to check it if they were good have experienced it first hand and chose to stick with Wardens.

I get that trying to portray me as a mindless drone that can't help but huddle up with the one faction I've always played would be in your favour, but please, spare me the cheap shots.

[A Talking Cucumber]

Originally posted by Patchouli:

You misunderstand, but I don't expect any better of you.

Collies give us plenty enough reasons to dislike them on a regular and objective basis. You don't need to associate with Wardens to see that - and in fact, plenty of people that switched to Collies to check it if they were good have experienced it first hand and chose to stick with Wardens.

I get that trying to portray me as a mindless drone that can't help but huddle up with the one faction I've always played would be in your favour, but please, spare me the cheap shots.

I'm just pointing out how you act and mentioning it. Have I misunderstood you, or are you just denying what you said for a more fitting alternative? Call them cheap shots but you're still responding.

[Dizle]

Originally posted by Patchouli:

82DK claims its victories on a 100% fair basis. If you are upset about it, you have absolutely no one but yourself to blame.

This is the most funny thing you have written, i've seen it with my own eyes several times how they use alt accounts on collie side to look for weakness and prep mats + cv .
Also they wall off garrison houses and stuff like that.

the reason i know its 82DK because it happens several times just right before 82DK invades.


And you can tell me i am some crazy person talking about spies all you want,dont forget that back in the day you could see who logged on ,you could also see who was online when you pressed F1 on both sides.

This happend pre WC and after aswell ,and i know it still happens.
Because it was happening again this war.
don't go talk like Colonials are the worst with their spies.
because wardens has always been alot worse with it ,it usually happens at night time.
Just when United States/Canada is going to sleep and EU is waking up/at work/school.

[Horny Rooster]

Originally posted by Jimmiefan:

I have to agree with Patchouli here. Regardless of me being a loyal Warden, I believe if the Colonials are repeatedly losing wars while lacking organization and experience, then you've got to start having people step up and fix those problems without expecting players from the other side to fix them for you. I'd be saying the same if the Wardens were in the same position.

I often see non-clan players leading randoms, grouping up, planning, and accomplishing goals, and new players being helped when they are first starting out. Doing this is something we've worked towards ourselves, and not stuff Wardens expected experienced Colonial players to come make it better for us.

I certainly understand the issue of overall population imbalance, specifically against the side who is losing or constantly loses. I would certainly consider switching to Colonial should it be essentially the deciding factor in whether or not the game itself survives, however, I don't see why I should switch factions to simply be the one who organizes and teaches your team.

I have done plenty myself to ensure the Wardens will be better off each war, and I'd expect Colonials to do the same. Remember, the current primary goal of the game is to win wars, and many people have put a large amount of effort into improving their side's chance through their actions.

I might also add that I have no problem helping players out, especially new players, even if on the other side. I've done so in the past, and will do so in the future. I've also got a Steam logi guide to help improve new player's understanding on it, which is of course available to all.

Colonial players should be taking this opportunity to step up, get people organized, coordinate with your team, and teach inexperienced players. I'm sure there are people who are doing that, but obviously the more, the better. Essentially complaining that Warden players shouldn't be winning wars after we put the effort in is just insulting to us. I'd assume that's a good portion of why Patchouli's comments would appear harsh, as we've done our role in being more successful than our enemy.

You ignore the fact that downward spirals happen and sometimes it happens faster than it can be fixed from within. Things get so bad they can only be fixed from outside because the inside is too broken. Basically what you are saying is, get your ♥♥♥♥ together colonials, but when there is nothing but low ranks playing this on colonials as if it was call of duty, and losing cause they can't do anything but run down a road with a gun and die, you realize the team needs help from the outside.

Do you love the game more than your team? Do you love foxhole more than wardens? If the answer is yes, then you should be balancing the game out, if the answer is no, you love wardens more than foxhole, then you will stay wardens till the game dies and then you will just move on to another game, saying, well it was too bad foxhole died, luckily I did nothing wrong.

[Slntreaper]

Having read the thread, my thoughts. These are not the thoughts of the Colonial Faction as a whole, the Colonial Sigil, or the 27th Force Recon Company.

@Patchouli you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ delusional. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I have never seen such insanity in a person over a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ video game with literally nothing at stake. Hell, I don't think even many Eve Online players could compare to the absolutely mental statements you've made here. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why the game is dying. "Breaking the enemy's body and spirit?" Come on, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ video game. Yeah, we get it, you don't go outside in order to get the full Patchouli Knowledge experience. But I bet you've even surpassed your namesake in refusal to go outside, because at least Patchouli Knowledge only locked herself up for 495 years. It's like the game itself isn't even important, only your devotion to your clan and your team, and that's honestly the most pathetic thing I've seen in Foxhole, and I've seen some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Like, this is a new level of absurd fanaticism over a literal colour.

/end rant

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot. When the Wardens lost 3 wars in a row and cried about ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game balancing, who came to your help? [SIR]Moorep8. Ever think about how you have absolutely failed to reciprocate that?

[Caliph Blue Moon]

Big Bad Warden Man bad.

Organize and get good.

Colonial Clans organize the moment when Warden Navy enters a region to balance it out.

ORGANIZE OR CONTINUE TO LOSE.

Moon signing off...

[Lantantan]

Up until their hillarious nuke disaster, the collies were really winning last war. Now that the snowball satchel stash has been removed, the only thing standing in the way of collie victories is their defeatist attitude. Its exactly threads like this that convinces collies players they dont stand a chance, which then inevitably comes true.

[Horny Rooster]

Originally posted by Lantantan:

Up until their hillarious nuke disaster, the collies were really winning last war. Now that the snowball satchel stash has been removed, the only thing standing in the way of collie victories is their defeatist attitude. Its exactly threads like this that convinces collies players they dont stand a chance, which then inevitably comes true.

People love to bring up that war where they almost won, but how many wars were won by wardens BEFORE that war, how many wars won after? Another person who is like, FIX THE TEAM YOURSELF, lol, but there is no one to fix it cause everyone is new to the game. High ranks barely exist on colonials, but still, FIX IT! Reminds me of the mentality of people who look at homeless people and say GET A JOB! As if it was so easy to get a job when you are homeless.

[Mr. NerdRage]

F2P when

[lercas]

Originally posted by Patchouli:

You misunderstand, but I don't expect any better of you.

Collies give us plenty enough reasons to dislike them on a regular and objective basis. You don't need to associate with Wardens to see that - and in fact, plenty of people that switched to Collies to check it if they were good have experienced it first hand and chose to stick with Wardens.

I get that trying to portray me as a mindless drone that can't help but huddle up with the one faction I've always played would be in your favour, but please, spare me the cheap shots.

And attitudes like that are exactly why Colonials dislike Wardens, just because you have on average, more experienced groups and players doesn't mean you guys have to rub it in.

People aren't going to play a game if they're constantly losing despite their best efforts, you can't expect everyone to be as dedicated to the game as you or others. I'm still playing, but I can understand why people on my side are just not playing, and while it's frustrating since it means we can't do as much, I'm not going to demand they continue playing if they genuinely aren't having a fun time.

Mind you I'm not trying to justify a reason for asking Warden players to switch over to the Colonial side, I don't really care if they switch or not.

[Crix Maydine]

As a new player that loves leading and finding interesting and creative solutions to problems in a game like this, this thread is depressing as hell. I've been trying to learn tactics, how the different weapons work, how to organize a defense, etc.

I also love being/playing the underdog. I don't have any problem losing over and over as long as it's a fun conflict and it feels like you can still accomplish SOMETHING.

However, it's hard to find the motivation to stay engaged. I honestly don't know what I'm doing in almost anything other than running scrap and trucking supplies to the front lines. I already outrank at least 2/3s of the players I see in both back and front lines. Not that I even know what the ranks indicate, but I guess trading commends is apparently a thing? I've tried to organize defense, get people into Ops, etc. But I don't even know WTF I'm doing. I don't know how to fight a half track, I don't know how to best balance Gun nests, sunken AT turrets, and pill boxes for a defense. I don't know how strong a tier 2 wall is or how many HE grenades it takes to destroy a FOB because there's just not nearly enough info out there to learn.

I've read the wikis, I've watched hours of youtube videos. They just aren't sufficient. Most of the videos are just showing 10 v 10 tank battles, or 40 players doing a beach landing on a map I've never seen. Hell I don't think I've even seen 30 players at the same time!

The point is, I'm a way more dedicated new player than you'll almost ever find and I'm just not sure what I should be doing to try and help my side win. Cranking out Bmats feels at least moderately useful, but that's not even scratching the surface in terms of what goes into winning a war and there just aren't enough people with experience to bridge the gap.

And just to close it off, I got at least 3 of my friends to buy the game. I've given a full in depth tutorial to at least a dozen players, when I barely know WTF I'm talking about. I've been trying to help n00bs at least do something useful, but I barely know what that means.

There's a real problem here and whatever nosnense some people in this thread seem to believe makes me sad, because I'm not sure this game is going to survive. Which is a huge bummer because I've been dreaming of this exact game ever since I spent countless hours building forts on construction modded servers in Tribes 2 15 years ago.

Enjoy your steamroll population wins, I guess. I'll do my best to stop you until I get tired of losing to tactics and equipment I've never used or destroyed.

This game is complex, it takes a lot to master. Working with a coordinated team is awesome. I've experienced brief flashes in the game and I understand the appeal. But surely fighting a capable opponent is both more fun for both sides and better for the long term health of the game?

If you're so proud of your ability to onboard new players and execute large scale ops, well prove it and win the war for the side that's suffering in terms of population and experience.

[leak777]

Foxhole, all you guys expect this game to last lol. Look at the current state of the community, people are literally segregating and dividing themselves into separate groups blaming eachother for problems than ostracizing people like Horny Rooster for calling out the real problem.

People need to take a step back, wake up and realize the only way this community will prosper is if it acts like a real community. Half you guys talking about faction loyalty over the health of the game, anybody that read a history book knows what happens when people divide up into separate groups and start to push blame on one another.

This is human nature right here people, 1 community that needs help, instead of working together to fix it Warden fanatics blaming the Colonials and Colonial fanatics blaming the Wardens.

It's easy to blame someone for a problem, what I don't see a lot of is people offering solutions.