Assist mode is extremely broken

[Eevee TV]

So I recently started playing this game, I've completed up to chapter 6. I had not used assist mode yet, and didn't really know what it was.
I was struggling with the feather-based parts, so I thought "maybe I'll just turn on assist mode until i get the hang of it." I was thinking that assist mode was just added a few pointers (slightly slower gameplay, higher stamina ect.) but when I turned it on, I see you can have literal invincibility and infinite dashes. What the heck? "Surely you can't get achievements with this.."
I tried it out on my nearly finished chapter1-B-side, just invincibility'd through the last 2 rooms, and bruh. I got the achievement. How is this fair? Why is something like this in the game? whats the point of trying my best and learning the platforming when I can just invincibility through it all.
y'know what? Ima go beat this whole game with invincibility on! why would anyone try? why should I try? time to got beat farewell because of this little build in hack client...


so do you see my point on how stupid this whole thing is? I know this game probably wont get anymore updates or major changes, and I'm sure most of the people who have some of those harder achievements just invincibility'd through it all. Knowing that I have to power to literately just beat everything for free really ruins any motivation I had to finish the game. its not fun anymore, its not challenging anymore, what is even the point of having this in the game?

[Duckboycool]

Ok

[mattZ]

I agree. None of this is fair. But I beg you to please just complete the game once without assist mode! If you don't your game experience will be ruined!

[Eevee TV]

Originally posted by mattZ:

I agree. None of this is fair. But I beg you to please just complete the game once without assist mode! If you don't your game experience will be ruined!

yes, Im really enjoying playing through this game in a legit way, I feel sorry for the cheaters who missed out on this. I have morals so Im not going to cheat

[mattZ]

Originally posted by Eevee TV:

Originally posted by mattZ:

I agree. None of this is fair. But I beg you to please just complete the game once without assist mode! If you don't your game experience will be ruined!

yes, Im really enjoying playing through this game in a legit way, I feel sorry for the cheaters who missed out on this. I have morals so Im not going to cheat

Nice. I think I'm going to try the assist mode, but only on a specific save file I'll probably delete. I will take care to not get any achievements with assist mode on.

[Perseus]

Originally posted by Eevee TV:

How is this fair? Why is something like this in the game?

How are you considering this unfair? Have you read the several tabs of text shown when trying to use assist mode, which explains its purpose and point? How much do you know about accessibility and how important it is?

Originally posted by Eevee TV:

whats the point of trying my best and learning the platforming when I can just invincibility through it all.

Originally posted by Eevee TV:

Knowing that I have to power to literately just beat everything for free really ruins any motivation I had to finish the game. its not fun anymore, its not challenging anymore, what is even the point of having this in the game?

Well, the point is that if you want to play for the challenge, you can, but if the challenge is being a blocker from experiencing the rest of the game (story, music...) or if some specific parts are too frustrating, you can also skip some sections, or make some easier, or even like you say, "invincibility through it all".
It's a game, you're supposed to have fun playing it. Isn't the ability to skip parts of the game that aren't fun for you therefore a good thing?

What i don't get is how having an option to skip frustrating stuff ruins the game for you.
Don't you enjoy the challenges? If you do, then how does an option which you are not using, an option you most of the time have literally no reason to use, ruin the game for you?

Also why does achievements being obtainable even enter the equation here? As in, how does it matter to you that some unknown amount of other people got achievements through assist mode? How does some peoples' playthroughs of a singleplayer game affect yours?

[Plushu ♡]

The game explains to you when you turn it on that Celeste is experienced best when Assist Mode is turned off, but you can turn it on anyways if you want if you aren't enjoying the base difficulty.
You are not forced to have it on. Play the game at your own pace and let others feel free to do the same instead of berating others who uses accessibility options for their own sake. It is a singleplayer game—nobody is harming your experience except yourself.
The value of achievements in any game are purely subjective to the individual player, and if you feel need to gatekeep and devalue others' accomplishments by calling accessibility options "cheating" in order to boost your ego, this is a you problem and is simply fixed by not giving a crap about how others play the game.

[Sans the Hedgehog]

assist mode is for anyone who wants to make the game easier on themselves-- y'know, people with disabilities, younger or older people, people who don't have the hours necessary to master and beat the game. not wanting to use it if you don't need it is perfectly valid, but it's not really a cheating method, nor is it unfair. it's like accusing somebody using a cane of being a "cheater" because they're using something to help them get around. i think it's very cool that the game offers help to anyone that needs it!

[Eevee TV]

Originally posted by cupcakeclaws:

assist mode is for anyone who wants to make the game easier on themselves-- y'know, people with disabilities, younger or older people, people who don't have the hours necessary to master and beat the game. not wanting to use it if you don't need it is perfectly valid, but it's not really a cheating method, nor is it unfair. it's like accusing somebody using a cane of being a "cheater" because they're using something to help them get around. i think it's very cool that the game offers help to anyone that needs it!

My main problem with it is the invincibility and infinite dashes, I'm fine with anyone who needs an assist, not a free pass. Having more stamina or another dash is great, for those who need it. It just feels kind of dumb to be invincible through everything.

"it's like accusing somebody using a cane of being a "cheater" because they're using something to help them get around."

more stamina, another dash, slower game speed, ect. would be like a cane to help walk. that is not cheating.

plain out invincibility is like having a personal jet to help you walk, it is way over the top and not needed.

[Sans the Hedgehog]

i do agree with you that invincibility is a bit over-kill, but honestly, does it really matter how other people play the game? it's singleplayer, the way other people get through it should not matter to you. it's a game, games are meant to be fun! if dying over and over and getting frustrated isn't fun, then there's no harm in turning on invincibility to skip to the next screen. if that's the way somebody wants to do it, it really isn't any of your business.

[vermis]

i'd like to know more about what other things op thinks of as immoral. crossing the road at places other than the designated zones? saying the letter in eye spy without already having a clear idea of what you've spied?

[Xgpmcnp]

Do not activate assist mode and it in no way affects you. Somewhere out there a 6 year old child is having the time of its damn life playing this colourful gem of a game with assist mode. Somewhere out there someone with severe motor skill issues is having a wonderful time playing this. You obviously do not need it, so it isn't really for you, but assist mode means an undeniably large amount of human beings can enjoy this game when they could not before.

[sandy claws]

100% agree with OP.
assist mode isn't an issue in itself. it's the fact that you can still obtain achievements with it.

i'm all for everyone being able to experience a story, or just play a game in any way someone wants to. but... you didn't "achieve" anything with such a feature enabled.

i believe you are entitled to play how you want to when you purchase a game. however, i don't believe you are entitled to cheat the achievement system outside of the game.

[Perseus]

Originally posted by sandy claws:

assist mode isn't an issue in itself. it's the fact that you can still obtain achievements with it.

Why is it a problem for you how other people might get their achievements in a singleplayer game?

Originally posted by sandy claws:

but... you didn't "achieve" anything with such a feature enabled.

I'd say that depends entirely on the player and how they play.

[sandy claws]

Originally posted by Perseus:

Originally posted by sandy claws:

assist mode isn't an issue in itself. it's the fact that you can still obtain achievements with it.

Why is it a problem for you how other people might get their achievements in a singleplayer game?

Originally posted by sandy claws:

but... you didn't "achieve" anything with such a feature enabled.

I'd say that depends entirely on the player and how they play.

firstly, it matters not if it's single-player. that's setting the stage for a false argument.
the achievement system is a global recognition table to be used outside of the game.

tbh i think the answer to your question is already stated from what you quoted.

if you don't do the thing, you don't have the rights to brag about doing the thing.
if you are cheating, you aren't doing the thing. you are cheating.

outside of moralities, this and cases like it, completely destroy the "rarest achievement" profile tab and tracking in general. it would be nice to know who actually could beat farewell without cheating. it would also be nice to have an achievement i work hard for show up on my rarest achievement feed. farewell should be far under 1% if everyone had to obtain it by the same standards.

so again, playing a game how you want is 100% ok.
but the achievement system is not a personal goal setting experience. it is a bar globally set to overcome. things like assist mode completely shatter that bar and dilute the achievements significance.

beating C-sides would be a featured achievement on my profile, if i wasn't able to turn on assist mode and do the same thing with my controller upside down and blindfolded.

edit: i'll also add that assist-mode is circumstantially an affront to the story in this specific game.

Celeste was all about working through the struggle and over-coming.
assist-mode takes that struggle away and just says "cookies for everyone". the lesson is lost to a mole-hill.

[vermis]

Originally posted by sandy claws:

firstly, it matters not if it's single-player. that's setting the stage for a false argument.
the achievement system is a global recognition table to be used outside of the game.

tbh i think the answer to your question is already stated from what you quoted.

if you don't do the thing, you don't have the rights to brag about doing the thing.
if you are cheating, you aren't doing the thing. you are cheating.

outside of moralities, this and cases like it, completely destroy the "rarest achievement" profile tab and tracking in general. it would be nice to know who actually could beat farewell without cheating. it would also be nice to have an achievement i work hard for show up on my rarest achievement feed. farewell should be far under 1% if everyone had to obtain it by the same standards.

so again, playing a game how you want is 100% ok.
but the achievement system is not a personal goal setting experience. it is a bar globally set to overcome. things like assist mode completely shatter that bar and dilute the achievements significance.

beating C-sides would be a featured achievement on my profile, if i wasn't able to turn on assist mode and do the same thing with my controller upside down and blindfolded.

edit: i'll also add that assist-mode is circumstantially an affront to the story in this specific game.

Celeste was all about working through the struggle and over-coming.
assist-mode takes that struggle away and just says "cookies for everyone". the lesson is lost to a mole-hill.

ok listen, this is crazy, but... what if... ok... what if, for one person, beating the game with the assist mode on was still more difficult, for them, then it was for you to beat the game with it off? would the achievement be valid then?