Madeline is Canonically Trans

[Arakus]

https://twitter.com/MaddyThorson/status/1324579049256136704

I love this whole article

[raw maw]

Very informative, thank you. I was incorrect to not believe in this previous "theory."
Although now I stand corrected, thank you.

[Ammy]

It was a fantastic read. TBH, this doesn't change the game at all. If anything I love Madaline a little more as a character finally having confirmation of what exactly she struggled with beyond vaugeness.

[Master_Skywalker]

Wow, it's incredible how the game has been improved now. I can't believe a bunch of pixels had such a stunning and brave personal history. I can't wait for when the developers decide he/she is actually actually an asian black alien mutant.

[raw maw]

Originally posted by koko:

my problem is I wanna refund the game rn

Because something so mere that doesn't even directly impact the game or its gameplay? Pathetic.
Can't accept modernday changes within society, boomer?

[Master_Skywalker]

Originally posted by Axually:

Originally posted by koko:

my problem is I wanna refund the game rn

Because something so mere that doesn't even directly impact the game or its gameplay? Pathetic.
Can't accept modernday changes within society, boomer?

Exactly, if it's so mere and unimportant, why did the developers felt the need to make this change? It's idiotic to say the least. What's next? Will they say Mario is actually a lesbian with a moustache?

[Master_Skywalker]

I think none of us care if they make a trans character, but just don't retroactively change a previously established character.

Although I get the feeling the developer was asked "is Celeste trans?" and his answer was more along the lines of "yeah, whatever", as if you feel the need to be delusional and think that every character is trans it is up to you, like when Mark Hamill said Luke Skywalker was gay. If that's your fantasy it's your business.

[Sixtyfivekills]

Originally posted by Cris_Th3_SkyWalk3r:

I think none of us care if they make a trans character, but just don't retroactively change a previously established character.

Although I get the feeling the developer was asked "is Celeste trans?" and his answer was more along the lines of "yeah, whatever", as if you feel the need to be delusional and think that every character is trans it is up to you, like when Mark Hamill said Luke Skywalker was gay. If that's your fantasy it's your business.

Doesn't matter either way, people will jump into a conclusion that you're transphobic.

What they fail to understand is just what you said, having a trans character or character of any race and gender in its own way isn't a problem, but doing that to previously established characters IS a problem. Just look what they've done to April in TMNT, like couldn't they introduce a new character instead of changing her that badly?

[Zolk Ironblood]

oh come the ♥♥♥♥ on, its pixels. can people really not see this is just a ploy to drum up attention for more sales now numbers have dropped off, and for the next project? im really bloody glad i got this from a humble bundle where all the money went to humble bundle and not the devs (not the american red cross either because im not american)

no one should give a ♥♥♥♥ what someones gender is one way or another, its none of our business and im sick to death of having this nonsense shoved down my throat

[Master_Skywalker]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Originally posted by Cris_Th3_SkyWalk3r:

I think none of us care if they make a trans character, but just don't retroactively change a previously established character.

Although I get the feeling the developer was asked "is Celeste trans?" and his answer was more along the lines of "yeah, whatever", as if you feel the need to be delusional and think that every character is trans it is up to you, like when Mark Hamill said Luke Skywalker was gay. If that's your fantasy it's your business.

Doesn't matter either way, people will jump into a conclusion that you're transphobic.

What they fail to understand is just what you said, having a trans character or character of any race and gender in its own way isn't a problem, but doing that to previously established characters IS a problem. Just look what they've done to April in TMNT, like couldn't they introduce a new character instead of changing her that badly?

The word transphobic doesn't even make sense. What does it mean? That I'm afraid of transpeople? In that case it's just like someone can be afraid of spiders. In that case, you are a not guilty of anything besides being a victim.

Anyway, I don't like the fact that they sold me a game with a female protagonist and then decided to change it. I wonder if they did that because they are a bunch of misogynists.

[kilicool64]

Originally posted by Cris_Th3_SkyWalk3r:

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Doesn't matter either way, people will jump into a conclusion that you're transphobic.

What they fail to understand is just what you said, having a trans character or character of any race and gender in its own way isn't a problem, but doing that to previously established characters IS a problem. Just look what they've done to April in TMNT, like couldn't they introduce a new character instead of changing her that badly?

The word transphobic doesn't even make sense. What does it mean? That I'm afraid of transpeople? In that case it's just like someone can be afraid of spiders. In that case, you are a not guilty of anything besides being a victim.

Anyway, I don't like the fact that they sold me a game with a female protagonist and then decided to change it. I wonder if they did that because they are a bunch of misogynists.

The word phobia can refer to either fear or hatred. The context usually makes it obvious.

If someone is arachnophobic, they don't think spiders are an affront to nature that should be exterminated. They're just scared of them, probably through no fault of their own.

Conversely, transphobes don't suffer a panic attack whenever they see trans people. They just hate them. Though that doesn't mean their hatred can't also be fueled by fear (albeit not the kind of fear that's completely irrational and beyond their control). This is the kind of phobia that isn't excusable.

Also, you were never promised that the protagonist was cis. Just that she was female, which is still accurate.

[Zolk Ironblood]

Originally posted by kilicool64:

Originally posted by Cris_Th3_SkyWalk3r:

The word transphobic doesn't even make sense. What does it mean? That I'm afraid of transpeople? In that case it's just like someone can be afraid of spiders. In that case, you are a not guilty of anything besides being a victim.

Anyway, I don't like the fact that they sold me a game with a female protagonist and then decided to change it. I wonder if they did that because they are a bunch of misogynists.

The word phobia can refer to either fear or hatred. The context usually makes it obvious.

thats not the definition of a phobia at all, a phobia is fear nothing to do with hatred at all

[kilicool64]

Originally posted by Skritch Ironblood:

Originally posted by kilicool64:

The word phobia can refer to either fear or hatred. The context usually makes it obvious.

thats not the definition of a phobia at all, a phobia is fear nothing to do with hatred at all

This section of the Wikipedia article on phobias says otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia#Non-medical,_deterrent_and_political_use

It literally claims that "several terms with the suffix -phobia are used non-clinically (usually for political or deterrent purpose) to imply irrational fear or hatred."

[Sciencemile]

I thought this was already known.

[Zolk Ironblood]

Originally posted by kilicool64:

Originally posted by Skritch Ironblood:

thats not the definition of a phobia at all, a phobia is fear nothing to do with hatred at all

This section of the Wikipedia article on phobias says otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia#Non-medical,_deterrent_and_political_use

It literally claims that "several terms with the suffix -phobia are used non-clinically (usually for political or deterrent purpose) to imply irrational fear or hatred."

*eye roll*

[raw maw]

Originally posted by Cris_Th3_SkyWalk3r:

Originally posted by Axually:

Because something so mere that doesn't even directly impact the game or its gameplay? Pathetic.
Can't accept modernday changes within society, boomer?

Exactly, if it's so mere and unimportant, why did the developers felt the need to make this change? It's idiotic to say the least. What's next? Will they say Mario is actually a lesbian with a moustache?

It was never changed. It was added.
The entire personality of Madeline is supposed to be a reincarnation, a resemblance to the Extremely OK Games (Creators of Celeste) team. (Especilaly Lena Raine and Maddy)
And considering the fact that that both are transgender, the reason should be clear.

It doesn't change the game, it's just information, lore, history. If you're unable to accept the fact that the developers make the protagonist realistic: then TOO BAD for you.