Disappointed "Complete Collection" isn't complete. Its missing Japan.

[Mysticales]

So during the steam summer sale, I decided to go ahead and finally buy the game. I saw that complete collection and thought this is perfect. Only to realize Japan wasnt included.

Little misleading when you dont have the game and you see something that says "Complete". My own fault for not checking what the bundle included. But thought I would post in hopes the devs see this oversight.

[genemead]

Who's oversight? The Japan DLC came out after the Complete Collection did.
They can't include the Japan DLC (and any future DLC's) in the "complete collection" for free, can they? Would we buy it if were sold as a "Partial Collection"?

It CAN be "complete", but it's your job to make it so.

[coenvijge]

The 'complete' collection was released before the release of 'Japan'.

[76561199098883563]

Hello @Mysticales,

The Complete Collection was originally intended as such.
However, due to high demand from our community, we decided to create another DLC.

Cheers

[coenvijge]

Glad you made another one, SpookyFox. Hope it isn't the last.

(How many artists released 'the final album' or 'complete collection' or even the 'last tour' and after that continued making music??).

[some moron]

Originally posted by genemead:

Who's oversight? The Japan DLC came out after the Complete Collection did.
They can't include the Japan DLC (and any future DLC's) in the "complete collection" for free, can they?

Yes of course they should, that is what the title is. There is a law against false advertising, the seller is obligated to provide what they advertised, at the price they advertised.
Maybe they should have named it "2015 Collection" or even "Tycoon Collection". But the word complete means complete does it not? When would the word complete NOT mean complete?

[chaney]

Legal claims aside (I'm not a lawyer or legal Judge, and I don't expect any of you are either)...

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+complete
"1. having all the necessary or appropriate parts.
2. (often used for emphasis) to the greatest extent or degree; total."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complete
1a : having all necessary parts, elements, or steps
2a : total, absolute
b : fully carried out : thorough
3 : brought to an end : concluded
(some irrelevant other definitions left out)

The *primary* definition includes "necessary or appropriate" which have a large latitude for opinion and interpretation.
MW3 fits the at release product.

I would suggest that the history of many products (particularly music) being released with the "Complete" title and NOT supplemented as more content was created by the source sets strong precedent that the word does not come with an obligation to include everything in perpetuity.

They *COULD* add the new content and adjust the price upward (forcing future buyers to take Japan even if they preferred a lower price without it) but what of those who already bought Complete? Do you really think it is fair, reasonable, or even legally required to retroactively add new content for free? That sounds unreasonable to me, and would certainly reduce incentive to create more content. They could never use the word "complete" but at the time it was a clear and concise choice.

Have you ever had circumstances change?
Society is more complex than a small set of simple 1/0 variables. Trying to force it to be that is a sure road to pain.

[X037]

I'd rather they fixed the issues with the Japan DLC. I regret buying it for these, not the price. Shameful!

[genemead]

We have 3 choices for those (very few) nuts, sorry, people, who are hung up on the word "complete" (which it was, at the time).

1- No more DLC's will ever be added to the game no matter if we want them or not. (Then it will always be "complete", right?)
2- All additional DLC's from on will be free and included with the "Complete Collection". (Maybe that's what you'd like, but that's not what you're gonna get.)
3- The "Complete Collection"will be discontinued and from now on each DLC has to be bought individually..... and at full price.

NONE of those are good choices for everyone.
Let's just leave things as they are and let this thread die a natural death.

[some moron]

Originally posted by genemead:

1- No more DLC's will ever be added to the game no matter if we want them or not. (Then it will always be "complete", right?)

Wait so are you saying if I write a history book then history will never change? That's absurd!

[some moron]

why are you so binary trinary? as though there aren't other possibilities, such as ones ALREADY mentioned

I shall choose option
4 - they name things "2015 Complete Collection" (and then also have a "2018 Complete Collection" which has more stuff
or best of all
5) "complete collection" always includes everything (and price increases as stuff is added). I've owned games and then bought complete collections previously and was only charged for what I did not already own, because Steam can figure that out. It's not that difficult. And seems the most reasonable and sensible to me. Or as x037 says maybe fixing the DLC first is the most sensible lol

[chaney]

How does 5) work for people who already bought "complete collection"? Do they get everything new free, automatically lose the entire collection and get a refund, or must they maintain an escrow account in case something new is released which they are then compelled by contract to buy? Steam does some things, I just don't see anything in their history suggesting they could handle that situation gracefully. Precedent in commerce is clear on this one, words have meaning and we don't all have to agree on what those meanings are ... but repeated usage is a large part of definition whether we like it or not. As I said in a previous thread on the same topic, I bought a 12" square cardboard container marked "B-52's" and it contained not even a single strategic bomber. From the legal point of view, I hear judges talk about "reasonable expectation" frequently. Lots of "Complete" named products become incomplete (lower case, not upper case as for a proper noun.) The common, repeated, and frequent happening is understood by most people, and accepted. That I suspect is a compelling case for "reasonable expectation" accepting that more can be created without adding it to the extant body of work comprising the "Complete Collection" (upper case.)

[Thineboot]

Originally posted by SpookyFox:

Hello @Mysticales,

The Complete Collection was originally intended as such.
However, due to high demand from our community, we decided to create another DLC.

Cheers

That's the expected answer, a reasonable answer, a short answer, a promising answer... why can't people just stop complaining when a once finished game get's new content because studio and publisher listen to a dedicated community not for free?

Game development isn't a charity organisation. Besides the poor QA for Japan DLC it contains much too much new features, game mechanics and content to be a free DLC.

Yes, Complete suggests that it's complete and genemead, coenvijge, and chaney have explained in various ways. Even without ever playing computer games before people should be capable of processing their explanations... unless they just don't want to...

So thanks for making money, Gaming Minds Studios, with new content for a once complete game :)

[Bikanel desert]

Originally posted by SpookyFox:

Hello @Mysticales,

The Complete Collection was originally intended as such.
However, due to high demand from our community, we decided to create another DLC.

Cheers

so why not change the name? if u dont want to add new japan dlc in the collection is fine but at least change name because now is false advertising

[RoohBR]

Complete collection is a pack, not a season pass. It should always be complete! They should add new dlc to complete collection, and its price should raise at each dlc add, of course. Those who have already bought complete collection before the adding of a new DLC, should be abble to "buy it again", paying only the amount referring to the dlc that they do not have, to complete their collection again. This is nothing new. already happens with many games here on steam.

[genemead]

Disappointed "Complete Collection" isn't complete. Its missing Japan.

We know.
You know.
Everyone knows.
Now what?
You can be "disappointed" all you want, but there's nothing you or any of us can do about it except accept it.... or whine like little babies. And all of us are sick of the whining. Enough already.

The answer is simple- replace "Complete" with "Bundle". Cost to the company would be almost $0, and all the nuts hung up on the word "complete" will have nothing to argue about anymore. Maybe then this nonsensical thread will finally die a natural death.

Course, we'll all have to buy future DLC's out of our own pockets, but that should be expected.