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Yopt Sep 9, 2020 @ 8:54am
Exact numbers for difficulty rating?
Hi! I wanted to start a new scenario and am trying to figure out which settings I can use. I think I got almost all multiplier numbers (including task ratings, I know how they work) either from my own experience or from Steam forums, but I can't find exact difficulty rating numbers. Anyone could help? As for the moment I have the following:

Difficulty rating:
??, ??, ??

Competitor rating:
This is actually game difficulty you pick: Normal = 1, Hard = 1.66, Very hard = 3.

Map rating:
Predetermined, but it's safe to tell it will be minimum x1 in most cases.

Pause mode rating:
Manual = 0.8, Normal = 1, Trainiac = 1.25.

UPD: I've just checked some of my previous saves and now I'm not so sure about Competitor rating being connected to the number of AI players. Maybe it's the actual AI difficulty? And it's x1 for Normal, x2 for Hard and x3 for Very hard? I've loaded campaign mission where I had 2 competitors, but played on Normal and final Competitor rating was x1...

UPD2: So I've played a game on just Hard and it seems that my initial idea about Competitor rating being calculated by the number of opponents is wrong after all. It has nothing to do with the number of them, but it's actually depends on AI difficulty: Normal is x1, Hard is x1,66, Very Hard is x3. I've updated my numbers in the main post. But then what the heck does Difficulty rating mean?

UPD3: In case anyone else will be looking for information or may provide additional numbers, i've put up a short guide explaining the multipliers and their values.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2224883959
Last edited by Yopt; Sep 11, 2020 @ 10:27am
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gardlt Sep 9, 2020 @ 9:03pm 
Did you see this link? https://steamcommunity.com/app/503940/discussions/0/1741094390481897826/#c1741094390482223314

Difficulty rating comes into play mainly for Free Mode. When you change the advanced features that will have an impact. I updated the post I linked with newer difficulty rating info.
Yopt Sep 9, 2020 @ 10:22pm 
Originally posted by gardlt:
Did you see this link? https://steamcommunity.com/app/503940/discussions/0/1741094390481897826/#c1741094390482223314

Difficulty rating comes into play mainly for Free Mode.

Hmm, missed that one, thanks! I'm not planning to play in the Free Mode, so i'll guess I'll keep it x1 in my calculations. Also was good to know that Competitor rating takes into consideration both number of AI and their difficulty you choose. Geez, what a mess, why not put this information directly in the game...
Thineboot Sep 10, 2020 @ 4:47am 
I've not tested every possible setting but collected the numbers for campaign and half the DLCs so far on very hard, realistic and Pause/Normal mode (x0.8/x1).

Campaign: x1.5 for Map.

Scenarios: x1, x2, x2.5, x3 for 0, 1, 2, 3 Competitors respectively.
Great Lakes: medium (x1 ?) and hard (x1.5) for Map.

Free mode: Snow +20% Diffculty, checked for UK&IRL.

Note that only the very last page of tasks are count toward Time.
Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 9:29am 
In case anyone else will be looking for information or may provide additional numbers, i've put up a guide (link is also available in the main post).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2224883959
Last edited by Yopt; Sep 11, 2020 @ 10:28am
Thineboot Sep 11, 2020 @ 10:09am 
Since you've just started to play RE and having many questions you may consider checking the answers and numbers provided by players like gardlt before pushing out a hastily cobbled together guide. Than again, a picture says more than thousands words ...
Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by Thineboot:
Since you've just started to play RE and having many questions you may consider checking the answers and numbers provided by players like gardlt before pushing out a hastily cobbled together guide. Than again, a picture says more than thousands words ...

Not sure 60 hours can be called "just started". Also I did get my numbers from gardit, as well as other users and my own experience. You've already provided false data about competitors (multiplier is not based only on their number), so if you have anything really useful to add, please do. If not, don't bother with "wise" comments.
Last edited by Yopt; Sep 11, 2020 @ 11:18am
Thineboot Sep 11, 2020 @ 11:56am 
gardlt provided 1.25 for Trainiac, not the 1.5 you've put into your "guide". Editing the numbers afterwards and accusing me for providing false numbers... well, as I've said, a picture...

Correction: you haven't corrected your "guide", just your OP... alternative facts :D
Last edited by Thineboot; Sep 11, 2020 @ 11:58am
Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 12:29pm 
Originally posted by Thineboot:
gardlt provided 1.25 for Trainiac, not the 1.5 you've put into your "guide". Editing the numbers afterwards and accusing me for providing false numbers... well, as I've said, a picture...

Correction: you haven't corrected your "guide", just your OP... alternative facts :D

I did not edit the guide from the point I've published it, so i'm not sure what are you talking about. Now I will change Trainiac difficulty multiplier in the guide, thanks for ponting that out (as i've said, direct information is appreciated). The multiplier of 1.25 in my OP was correct from the very beginning, I've simply made a typo in the guide.

As for the picture (if you are talking about guide avatar image), please address your issues (whatever their nature is) to the developers of the game, it's their artwork, not mine.
Last edited by Yopt; Sep 11, 2020 @ 12:33pm
Thineboot Sep 11, 2020 @ 1:36pm 
As I've said, your "guide" is hastily cobbled together.


RE starts in 1830 and spans until 1930.

"For example, now is July 1820 and you receive a task that should be finished by 1826. To receive maximum score for this particular task it should be completed not later than end of December of 1823." is full of errors. Not only are the dates impossible in RE, maybe with the exception of workshop scenarios, your conclusions are also wrong. Assuming 1826 is possible and the scenario would start on 1. July 1820, the task should be completed not later than around end of October 1823, not December. "Around" because it's not the end of a month but in half the time. So far that's true for free mode but not for all scenarios as I've found out, that a few tasks have other dates to get a golden tick. You can find those tests in the forum.


"Free mode (which is not eligible for President achievements, since they are obtained in Campaign or Scenarios)," is not only misleading but wrong. There are achievements you can only get by playing 100 year games and these games are only possible in Free mode.


"There could be from 1 to 3 opponents;" - wrong again. There is a mission and scenarios that have 0 (zero) competitors and you can choose 0 competitors in Free mode, too.


"I've read that Campaign maps tend to have x1.5, but that needs proof." So you've never ended a mission? Because the proof is simple... just finish one. Because my numbers are false - at least that's what you say, so it must be true. So you won't believe me when I'd say that scenarios (so far one played) without competitors have a Map rating of x1.5 either to make becoming President possible on normal mode.


Your "Conclusion: In all maps it should be safe to assume that if you are playing on Very Hard AI dificulty, using Normal Pause Mode and complete most of the tasks in half time, you will certainly get a President rating." is misleading. It's not wrong but misleading as Pause mode is fine except for those rare scenarios with no competition at all.


"IMPORTANT: In Campaign missions you can't change AI difficulty, it will always be Normal. Also maximum number of competitors will be 2. It means, unfortunately, that if you want a President rating, you can't use Manual Pause Mode in any of the chapters." is full of errors.
First you play against 0, 2, 2, 1, and 2 competitors respectively. That's an easy task to check.
Second you can't use Pause mode because the other ratings are x1, x1, and x1.5 for all missions and you need at least x1 or normal mode to get a rating of 30.


That's not a "guide" is more a "guessing" most of the time and is hastily cobbled together.



As for the picture you're using, it's your choice. Obviously you didn't get the point the devs were making with the achievement. But that's fine, 60 hours and counting, nobody expects that you've played all the scenarios in 60 hours ;)

Since your "guide" reflects more the approach of the pictured President on facts I've pointed it out. If you don't like my characterization of your "guide" use another approach.

I've never said that I'm "wise". I just tend to do my homework and use data I've collected that prove my numbers as facts, not guesses.
Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 2:40pm 
Originally posted by Thineboot:
For example, now is July 1820 and you receive a task that should be finished by 1826. To receive maximum score for this particular task it should be completed not later than end of December of 1823." is full of errors. Not only are the dates impossible in RE, maybe with the exception of workshop scenarios, your conclusions are also wrong. Assuming 1826 is possible and the scenario would start on 1. July 1820, the task should be completed not later than around end of October 1823, not December. "Around" because it's not the end of a month but in half the time. So far that's true for free mode but not for all scenarios as I've found out, that a few tasks have other dates to get a golden tick. You can find those tests in the forum.

Numbers i provide is for calculations and they have nothing to so with real ones, hence the phrase "For example". As far as the information "about end of October" I can't say whether it's true or not, since neither of us can datamine the game and get exact numbers. I can only say that you mention "Free mode, but not for all Scenarios", which means that you are guessing as well. I've played maps based on my opinion about December and that worked for me - I got golden ticks and received President rating at the end, which in turn means that I'm not "wrong". If you have exact dates and numbers, please provide those and I'll gladly add them to the guide.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
"Free mode (which is not eligible for President achievements, since they are obtained in Campaign or Scenarios)," is not only misleading but wrong. There are achievements you can only get by playing 100 year games and these games are only possible in Free mode.

Please read the quote you mentioned again, it is valid, because Free Mode is not eligible for President achievements. You, for some reason, are mentioning other achievements that are indeed obtainable in the Free Mode (play 100 years, make 100 leather balls, etc). But again, President achievements are obtained only in Scenarios or Campaigns, please do not mix apples with oranges.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
"There could be from 1 to 3 opponents;" - wrong again. There is a mission and scenarios that have 0 (zero) competitors and you can choose 0 competitors in Free mode, too.

Again, Free Mode have nothing to do with President achievements, so this mode is not relevant for my guide. But there are indeed three maps that have 0 competitors: Campaign-Chapter 1, Scenario-Gold rush in the US West and Scenario-Down Under in Australia. Thus, your multiplier will be x1 on any difficulty, I’ll add this information, thanks.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
"I've read that Campaign maps tend to have x1.5, but that needs proof." So you've never ended a mission? Because the proof is simple... just finish one. Because my numbers are false - at least that's what you say, so it must be true. So you won't believe me when I'd say that scenarios (so far one played) without competitors have a Map rating of x1.5 either to make becoming President possible on normal mode.

As I’ve mentioned gaining this kind of “proof” is extremely time consuming. If I knew that I would need this information, I’d make the screenshots. If you can provide screenshots with the map name and map ratings, I can form a list and mention all available maps with their respective numbers. If not, then we both can only guess, and wait till either of us will collect the necessary “proof”. But for the calculations it should be safe to assume x1 as a default number.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
Your "Conclusion: In all maps it should be safe to assume that if you are playing on Very Hard AI dificulty, using Normal Pause Mode and complete most of the tasks in half time, you will certainly get a President rating." is misleading. It's not wrong but misleading as Pause mode is fine except for those rare scenarios with no competition at all.

Well, something is “not wrong” for change, that’s a good start. But how is this misleading? I don’t say that “you should always play on Very Hard + Normal Pause”, I say that “you will certainly get a President rating”. If you want to try lesser settings, you can get the numbers from the guide and check whether or not you will be eligible to get at least 30 points.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
"IMPORTANT: In Campaign missions you can't change AI difficulty, it will always be Normal. Also maximum number of competitors will be 2. It means, unfortunately, that if you want a President rating, you can't use Manual Pause Mode in any of the chapters." is full of errors.
First you play against 0, 2, 2, 1, and 2 competitors respectively. That's an easy task to check.
Second you can't use Pause mode because the other ratings are x1, x1, and x1.5 for all missions and you need at least x1 or normal mode to get a rating of 30.

So… where are errors exactly? In Campaign you can’t change AI difficulty, it’s always on Normal, that’s indeed an easy task to check. I say that “also maximum number of competitors will be 2”, you say that “against 0, 2, 2, 1 and 2”. You sure you like to do the homework? Because you don’t mention any number higher than 2, which means that maximum number of competitors is indeed 2.

As for other ratings, we are returning back to the collecting “proof” of map ratings. As soon as it will be collected, I can add it to the guide. But again the point of “using Manual pause will not allow President rating” stands.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
As for the picture you're using, it's your choice.
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Let’s just say, I’m glad you liked the picture so much that you can’t stop mentioning it in every post.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
I've never said that I'm "wise". I just tend to do my homework and use data I've collected that prove my numbers as facts, not guesses.

If you have any data other than mentioned in your posts with a solid proof like a screenshot, please let me know, I'll study it by all means.
Thineboot Sep 11, 2020 @ 3:55pm 
There is no math that makes end December 1823 the half between [ 1. ] July 1820 and end December 1826. And you're right, October is obviously a mistake by myself, it's "end of September". The correct date for your example would be 30. September 1823. In case you claim to never have said 1st of July ... if it's 31st of July and it still is 15. October 1823. That's just simple math - but you still keep ducking away.

And I'm not guessing about "Free mode, but not for all Scenarios". You can find the tests in this forum - if you care about data and facts.


@ apples and oranges:

Train de canard
Complete a 100 year era free game in France as president.

And before you accuse of making this up - it's out there since the France DLC and 0.2% of all players have it, me not included as I haven't played the France DLC yet.


How many games have you finished? And you still don't know that there is no scenario name on the End of game screen? You can guess by the Region but most Regions have more than one scenario and without a date you could only guess. So if you want a proof, because I'm just a liar who makes things up, you would have to ask for a video proof. But it would have to be one on a live stream as I could just fake it but than again, how would you know that I'm really playing and not just streaming a manipulated video? See, proof is a hard to get but there is someone known using such rhetoric ...I know what I know because I've written down the numbers since I've came back playing RE a few months before starting with the campaign. But hey, why should you believe anything that you won't believe.


You're misleading. The difference between a "guide" and a "guessing" is knowledge. Knowledge based on data which you lack. And accusing data of being wrong that doesn't fit your guess.


"IMPORTANT: In Campaign missions you can't change AI difficulty, it will always be Normal. Also maximum number of competitors will be 2. It means, unfortunately, that if you want a President rating, you can't use Manual Pause Mode in any of the chapters."
So "It means" refers to the first sentence and the second sentence is irrelevant, just a meaningless filling that has nothing to do with your explanation. So you're claiming to be only misleading - again? Like I've said, a known behavior by your chosen Presidential picture. And yes, I like it, because the whole achievement is mocking the pictured man.


I don't care whether you believe me or not. I care about all those who read your so called "guide" that may believe you know what you're writing about. Because you don't. But you make it look like you do, just like the man you've chosen to be the icon for your "guide". When someone calls me wrong I check it out and admit, see October (10th month) instead of September (9th month). That was sloppy of me. But I won't keep my mouth shut when someone accuses me of wrongdoing to cover up his own mistakes. Making a "guide" full of misleading and errors will do harm to new players who trust in a community. And this community has many people like gardlt - you don't even care how to spell their names correctly, don't you? - who know much about RE.
Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 5:15pm 
Originally posted by Thineboot:
There is no math that makes end December 1823 the half between [ 1. ] July 1820 and end December 1826.

There is no math indeed, but that's the point: the game does not seem to treat the years starting from the month you receive a task. Rather it treats just the year (hence the tasks never have a month specified, only a year). So if you receive a task in January / March / July of 1000 and need to finish it until 1010, you have time until December 1005, not January / March / July respectively. At least that's what I see in the tasks I complete, because there were several times when I received new task in April/May, counted the half till the completion year (3 out of 6), but completed the task in October/December respectively and still got the golden tick.

If you insist that there is any vital data on forums saying otherwise, please provide a link. I tried searching for the task mechanics and didn't find anything solid, just guesses and ideas, same as mine.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
Train de canard
Complete a 100 year era free game in France as president.

Found this achievement, will add the information, thanks again.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
I know what I know because I've written down the numbers since I've came back playing RE a few months before starting with the campaign. But hey, why should you believe anything that you won't believe.

My point is that you kept saying things in general without any details. For example, I bet you didn't know for yourself that there is only one achievement that requires to finish as President in Free Mode, because you yourself said "there are achievements" in plural, not achievement. Also you were wrong about Competitor rating, it's not "x1, x2, x2.5, x3 for 0, 1, 2, 3 Competitors respectively.", because these numbers only valid for Very Hard difficulty. So if you are wrong once, there is no guarantee that you are not wrong everywhere else.

If you have all Map Ratings written down, you could always provide those, but in a specific manner, like name + rating, I'll add those to the guide.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
You're misleading. The difference between a "guide" and a "guessing" is knowledge. Knowledge based on data which you lack. And accusing data of being wrong that doesn't fit your guess.

We can discuss the word "misleading" here. Guides can be different and have various goals and aims. Goal of mine guide is to help achieve President title by providing information both exact (like number multipliers where possible) and theoretical. Another important goal is to gather this information in one place, contrary to your "go search the forums". It would be much more time efficient for a user to open one guide than "go seatch the forums", especially if part of those forums are from 2018 with obsolete information.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
"IMPORTANT: In Campaign missions you can't change AI difficulty, it will always be Normal. Also maximum number of competitors will be 2. It means, unfortunately, that if you want a President rating, you can't use Manual Pause Mode in any of the chapters."
So "It means" refers to the first sentence and the second sentence is irrelevant, just a meaningless filling that has nothing to do with your explanation. So you're claiming to be only misleading - again? Like I've said, a known behavior by your chosen Presidential picture. And yes, I like it, because the whole achievement is mocking the pictured man.

Just curious, are you from US? Because you seem to have some abnormal zealous attitude towards Mr. Trump.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
When someone calls me wrong I check it out and admit, see October (10th month) instead of September (9th month). That was sloppy of me.

I do the same, and I mentioned in the guide introduction section that if you spot any mistakes or have additional information, please let me know.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
But I won't keep my mouth shut when someone accuses me of wrongdoing to cover up his own mistakes.

By all means I'm not trying to keep your mouth shut. On contrary you do seem to provide quite useful information; the only downside is this information should be carefully searched for and filtered among piles of nonsense and political rage. For example instead of writing something like "Haha, this is wrong", one could write "A is not equal to B, A is equal to C". This was valid with Trainiac multiplier and with President achievement in France. Short and simple answers are always nice.

Originally posted by Thineboot:
Making a "guide" full of misleading and errors will do harm to new players who trust in a community. And this community has many people like gardlt - you don't even care how to spell their names correctly, don't you? - who know much about RE.

There are two things I'd like to note here:

1. Having couple of mistakes is not equal "being full of errors", they were pointed out and were corrected. Isn't it how things work? Like, "you have a mistake here" - "hmm, looks like a mistake indeed, I'll correct it". In the end guide will be better, which is the ultimate goal.

2. Now I'm even more positive that you are from US, because all these pompous words like "trust in a community", "great people like NAME", etc are very typical to players from this nation. These are empty words for me, I'm not part of any community, I don't know gardlt or whatever his nickname is spelled. But clearly this gardlt person unlike someone else in the thread provided a short and useful link instead of unleashing a holy rage WALL (pun intended) of text with several bricks (or should I say iron sheets?) of useful information.

All I wanted is precise information on a direct question. If your community has such great and knowledgabe people, why none of them made such guide? If you or some other "proud members or RE community" can make such guide, I will delete mine not to hurt "poor members of your community". But something tells me, that there is more harm in knowing nothing (hence the amount of questions about the rating) that knowing something (my guide has up to date competitor ratings and pause mode ratings). And since noone else bothered, I took the initiative.
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Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 5:59pm 
Originally posted by Thineboot:

Campaign: x1.5 for Map.

Speaking about proof: I've found a youtube walkthrough of all 5 Chapters of the Campaign, and it seems that you are wrong about x1.5 for the whole Campaign. The correct information seems to be the following:

Chapter 1 = x1.5
Chapter 2 = x1.5
Chapter 3 = x1
Chapter 4 = x1
Chapter 5 = x1

Youtube links (you can skip straight to the end to check ratings):

C1: https://youtu.be/BRFn6Pdiq9Y
C2: https://youtu.be/vJWRhavEZOw
C3: https://youtu.be/t0VYNUdRcBs
C4: https://youtu.be/stNdp4yaEn4
C5: https://youtu.be/ziIon9OFINc
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Thineboot Sep 11, 2020 @ 7:40pm 
It's meaningless to tell you about what half of the time means when you just ignore every information that many of us have posted again and again in the forum. Have fun thinking you're right.


As I've said in various threads that I'm not a native speaker and in addition I'm not even living in an English speaking country. So feel free to find more grammatically incorrect wording by myself while pretending that because of them you're right.
Should the behavior of the individual you are asking me about ever become normal, humanity should better become extinct. Being silent has lead to too many bad things.

What details do you want? The one that are in my very first post you just keep ignoring out of convenience, the one that you keep calling wrong? It's all written there. Just try to understand what you try to explain others in your "guide" in the first place.

Misleading[www.merriam-webster.com] is pretty straight: to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit. Since you keep insisting that you're right I start to believe the latter.
The basic intention is good. The execution so far is ...

Short and simple... see my first post you still call wrong quoting parts and ignoring the rest.
You don't want additional information but additional information has to be presented to you on a silver plate because there are posts that were written in 2018 and therefore you won't use the search button or just check out the posts of someone who tells you that they have posted the date - not even six weeks before.
You want short math, I gave you short math and because your math doesn't fit you state that there is simply no math at all. It's funny and sad at the same time.
You had your short precise information in my first post. It just don't fit into your believes. And now you're stressing it with videos of January 2018, recorded short after the release of RE and claim proof, Thineboot seem to be wrong with those alternative facts. Yeah ... oh ... wait ... now you have to get rid of those text passages were you've said that the game changed within the last two and a half years. Well, you're funny, just as the man, still not in a good way.

And since you're insisting that I'm from the US, sorry, you're still so wrong. But I'm following US politics as they affect the whole world especially with the actual man in power. There are just many similarities between the two of you, the denial, the accusation of being wrong about facts that don't fit your believes, presenting alternative fact from a time that had rules that were changed of which you yourself wrote. And no, he is much more funny ... fortunate and unfortunate at the same time.

You're complaining about not getting precise information while you've gotten precise information you don't want to believe. And than you present alternative facts aka game rules that were changed a long time ago as your proof. Think about the similarities. So you're right, a normal would have given up a few hours before and have you let believe whatever you want to believe. Only problem is, RE is not a religion.
Yopt Sep 11, 2020 @ 8:09pm 
Originally posted by Thineboot:
So you're right, a normal would have given up a few hours before and have you let believe whatever you want to believe. Only problem is, RE is not a religion.

Wow dude (or lass whatsoever), I think you outperformed yourself and something got broken inside in the process :happymeat: so looks like there is no more useful info you could provide, so I'll just thank you for those bits of improvement you assisted with and wish you all best.
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