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Saulius Mar 24, 2019 @ 2:33pm
Summiteer scenario - any tips?
Do anybody clear time rating 20/20 in the Summiteer?
It seems impossible to have both gold marks - grow Iquique and have 7 cities with 50000. Not enough money to grow Iquique and prepare 7 cities to grow on time.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1693196413
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1693200388
Any tips for gold marks?
Thanks
Originally posted by gardlt:
I did a refresher play,

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1695269451

My comment is that you did pretty well already. This is one of the few scenarios where bonds are needed on Trainiac when maintaining properly.

If you are low on cash, maybe the trick is making the lines pay?

I'm not sure how your patience for reading. I tried to make a summary of my start idea. But if you want just skip to the end where I went into the tasks you didn't Gold on. Let me know any questions.



Start summary (long)
My strat has always been not to hook anything to the east of Lima until Iquique is growing. Not even Corn.

Priorities early on are 3-4 trains on the Lima - Ica run. In Lima wait for 4-5 cars to get some express revenues.

Small station in Lima, Normal in Ica. This is directional pass-through and all early maintenance is done at the shed there.

Double line down to the Fish. Just a small station. Do this immediately to help Lima and Ica grow. This is all they need to get to at least 35k.

Small station for Niter. Single track down. One train running to Ica.

On Trainiac with a bit of haste, it's possible to make the $80k revenue goal in the first quarter. It shouldn't matter if you need to wait for the second quarter. Just save any cash.


Push to Iquique. I do this single track, branching just ahead of the Fish station. I buy one train for a start. What I aim for here is to make some revenue, so I set priority passengers. But it's important to haul 4-5 loads of Chicha on the first trip.

While this train is in transit I save for a single track line down to the Corn Farm that's a bit further south. By the time I have some Chicha in stock, hopefully I also have Corn en-route.

Next I will add 3 or 4 sidings along the single track section, with the aim for 4 trains running on the Ica-Chicha line. I'm not worried about the Chicha supply in Ica. If there's not enough Chicha they will fill up the slots with Mail. Each delivery should bring 40-50k or so. I built a Brewery in Iquique once it grew and then Chicha supply is a non-issue.

I source Sugar and Milk locally for Iquique.


Now there's a choice, what I did to get the Clothing goal was to build a Steel Mill in the Lima slot, for later, then I connected east for Milk to grow Ica from 35-40k and then place a Tailors there. The output of Clothing ended up on the trains down to Iquique.

The other option is to push south and forget industries in Lima/Ica. for example Coquimbo has a wagon supply for a green arrow. It will start growing as soon as you place a station there, it doesn't need to be connected to the rest of your network. I think it's possible to grow Coquimbo soon enough for this goal. The advantage of this method is that you will reach the rich Santiago area sooner, not having to worry about filling the Lima slot.

I could write more details, but I will leave it to questions so this doesn't get longer than super long.



Growing the 7 cities.
It's about 1.5 years of constant growth needed to reach 50k population, barring a promoter.

Santiago and Coquimbo have "natural" growth. Small stations there will do. The priority is Fish to Cusco and Conception. I do a bare bones network. Single track. One train.

I run a line out from the Niter mine up through the pass to Cusco. Then you can do Conception unconnected.

As far as my planning growth from that point, I try to rely more on the wagon deliveries instead of throwing money for infrastructure.



Autos to Buenos Aires.
My strat was to use the Steel Mill I built in Lima. I had connected for Logs when pushing Lima the last bit to 50k. So Iron connection was easy.

I also tried to maintain industrial control in all 7 cities. Also this in preference to building out "good" routes like Cattle-Santiago. After filling all slots, company value jumped so had a good refresh on bonds.

I went for an unconnected strat to grow Horqueta. Fish is the main thing, but also Logs/Corn sourced in the basin a bit to the west, slightly south.

The plan was Refinery in Horqueta, then later a Car Industry in Asuncion. So saved a bit, did some minor connections to finish up growing the 7, then did a single track direct line. This at first originated at the Cattle station that was supplying Cusco and ended at the Logs/Corn station. This was later extended to the Logs/Iron to Lima line and all Steel was run on this line which was of course eventually upgraded.

But in the present, as soon as I could, growth in Asuncion was started as well. This completed the task quite quickly.



4 cities at 125k.
The cities I selected were Lima, Cusco, Coquimbo, and Santiago.

Santiago will virtually grow itself, with a sprinkling of Corn.

First I will list the industries I built in each city, in the 40k, and 90k slots.

Lima :::: Steel, Furniture
Cusco :::: Paper, Newspaper
Coquimbo :::: Clothing, Furniture
Santiago :::: Paper Newspaper


Less obvious resources supplied
Lima
Fish, Niter

Cusco
Niter, Cocoa

Coquimbo
Milk, Niter, Cocoa


I never built two station in any city or used a warehouse. I was happy if wagon transport could partially satisfy some transport. The thing to note here is that if you transport Cocoa to Santiago via rail, this may impact the amount that reaches another destination: Coquimbo. So supplying one city well, might hurt the other city, if you don't also set up the infrastructure to supply it too.

I was more focused on keeping up with the next task than careful optimizing. If you aren't playing on Trainiac, there is lots of low hanging fruit, especially short runs etc., that you will have time to do, so will end up quite a lot ahead of me economically.

Also, to note that I tried not to abuse the refund on locos. For example, if there's a long run and the train dead-heads back, you can "teleport" it back to the start. And also have less trains this way. With deletions, Lima and Ica could have stable supply of Fish soon into the game using just one train. Run two at first to build a little stockpile up. I'm sure you can imagine other scammy tactics later in the game. :steamsalty:
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gardlt Mar 26, 2019 @ 10:27pm 
I did a refresher play,

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1695269451

My comment is that you did pretty well already. This is one of the few scenarios where bonds are needed on Trainiac when maintaining properly.

If you are low on cash, maybe the trick is making the lines pay?

I'm not sure how your patience for reading. I tried to make a summary of my start idea. But if you want just skip to the end where I went into the tasks you didn't Gold on. Let me know any questions.



Start summary (long)
My strat has always been not to hook anything to the east of Lima until Iquique is growing. Not even Corn.

Priorities early on are 3-4 trains on the Lima - Ica run. In Lima wait for 4-5 cars to get some express revenues.

Small station in Lima, Normal in Ica. This is directional pass-through and all early maintenance is done at the shed there.

Double line down to the Fish. Just a small station. Do this immediately to help Lima and Ica grow. This is all they need to get to at least 35k.

Small station for Niter. Single track down. One train running to Ica.

On Trainiac with a bit of haste, it's possible to make the $80k revenue goal in the first quarter. It shouldn't matter if you need to wait for the second quarter. Just save any cash.


Push to Iquique. I do this single track, branching just ahead of the Fish station. I buy one train for a start. What I aim for here is to make some revenue, so I set priority passengers. But it's important to haul 4-5 loads of Chicha on the first trip.

While this train is in transit I save for a single track line down to the Corn Farm that's a bit further south. By the time I have some Chicha in stock, hopefully I also have Corn en-route.

Next I will add 3 or 4 sidings along the single track section, with the aim for 4 trains running on the Ica-Chicha line. I'm not worried about the Chicha supply in Ica. If there's not enough Chicha they will fill up the slots with Mail. Each delivery should bring 40-50k or so. I built a Brewery in Iquique once it grew and then Chicha supply is a non-issue.

I source Sugar and Milk locally for Iquique.


Now there's a choice, what I did to get the Clothing goal was to build a Steel Mill in the Lima slot, for later, then I connected east for Milk to grow Ica from 35-40k and then place a Tailors there. The output of Clothing ended up on the trains down to Iquique.

The other option is to push south and forget industries in Lima/Ica. for example Coquimbo has a wagon supply for a green arrow. It will start growing as soon as you place a station there, it doesn't need to be connected to the rest of your network. I think it's possible to grow Coquimbo soon enough for this goal. The advantage of this method is that you will reach the rich Santiago area sooner, not having to worry about filling the Lima slot.

I could write more details, but I will leave it to questions so this doesn't get longer than super long.



Growing the 7 cities.
It's about 1.5 years of constant growth needed to reach 50k population, barring a promoter.

Santiago and Coquimbo have "natural" growth. Small stations there will do. The priority is Fish to Cusco and Conception. I do a bare bones network. Single track. One train.

I run a line out from the Niter mine up through the pass to Cusco. Then you can do Conception unconnected.

As far as my planning growth from that point, I try to rely more on the wagon deliveries instead of throwing money for infrastructure.



Autos to Buenos Aires.
My strat was to use the Steel Mill I built in Lima. I had connected for Logs when pushing Lima the last bit to 50k. So Iron connection was easy.

I also tried to maintain industrial control in all 7 cities. Also this in preference to building out "good" routes like Cattle-Santiago. After filling all slots, company value jumped so had a good refresh on bonds.

I went for an unconnected strat to grow Horqueta. Fish is the main thing, but also Logs/Corn sourced in the basin a bit to the west, slightly south.

The plan was Refinery in Horqueta, then later a Car Industry in Asuncion. So saved a bit, did some minor connections to finish up growing the 7, then did a single track direct line. This at first originated at the Cattle station that was supplying Cusco and ended at the Logs/Corn station. This was later extended to the Logs/Iron to Lima line and all Steel was run on this line which was of course eventually upgraded.

But in the present, as soon as I could, growth in Asuncion was started as well. This completed the task quite quickly.



4 cities at 125k.
The cities I selected were Lima, Cusco, Coquimbo, and Santiago.

Santiago will virtually grow itself, with a sprinkling of Corn.

First I will list the industries I built in each city, in the 40k, and 90k slots.

Lima :::: Steel, Furniture
Cusco :::: Paper, Newspaper
Coquimbo :::: Clothing, Furniture
Santiago :::: Paper Newspaper


Less obvious resources supplied
Lima
Fish, Niter

Cusco
Niter, Cocoa

Coquimbo
Milk, Niter, Cocoa


I never built two station in any city or used a warehouse. I was happy if wagon transport could partially satisfy some transport. The thing to note here is that if you transport Cocoa to Santiago via rail, this may impact the amount that reaches another destination: Coquimbo. So supplying one city well, might hurt the other city, if you don't also set up the infrastructure to supply it too.

I was more focused on keeping up with the next task than careful optimizing. If you aren't playing on Trainiac, there is lots of low hanging fruit, especially short runs etc., that you will have time to do, so will end up quite a lot ahead of me economically.

Also, to note that I tried not to abuse the refund on locos. For example, if there's a long run and the train dead-heads back, you can "teleport" it back to the start. And also have less trains this way. With deletions, Lima and Ica could have stable supply of Fish soon into the game using just one train. Run two at first to build a little stockpile up. I'm sure you can imagine other scammy tactics later in the game. :steamsalty:
Bonzo Madrid Mar 27, 2019 @ 12:41am 
I have trouble with the first task. The only way i managed to get gold in the first quarter, is to buy the niter mine at the beginning of the game, send it to a warehouse that covers both fish and wool.

I tried the method described above, with small station for Fish, running through Ica and all the way to Lima, and it doesn't work. I was losing money.

Maybe i didn't understand correctly what you were doing.
Last edited by Bonzo Madrid; Mar 27, 2019 @ 12:42am
gardlt Mar 27, 2019 @ 8:03am 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1695575489

This is what the setup looks like visually. The 7th train that is past the end of the list, delivers Fish to Lima, it will then take some express back to Ica where it is serviced.

On Trainiac you need to be efficient. You can start a train for example Lima - Ica after building the line as single track. Then while it is loading complete the line as double. With this make sure to build the connections to the station connections so that this first track will when directionalized match the travel direction of the first train. So build the line south-headed first. Don't worry to add min car values yet, do it after initial building phase is complete.


Same for Fish. Buy the train to Ica while the line is single, so that the train starts loading. Here build the line north. Then of course double up as soon as possible. Then add Fish -> Lima train.

Side-note, if necessary you could buy the train to Lima first, as that train is tighter on the time limit. But I think there is more risk of it waiting for clearance above Lima in the interim before signals are setup.


I buy a couple more trains for Lima-Ica express run about here. Try to hit the right timing to keep them spaced a little.

The trick is also to get one delivery of Niter to Ica. So the train needs to also start asap.

With these 3 freight deliveries, we get 3*16= $48k. It's not too hard to make the rest with express. It's possible also with only 2 freight deliveries. In my play: $35k from passengers, and $32k from mail.

I built maintenance while waiting, would probably hit higher numbers without it. Also, as you can see with max bonds I have plenty of cash left ready to shoot a line down to Iquique. Some of the trick there is in the track laying. Single track figures: Lima-Ica should be about $80-85k, with max 4% grade. Fish to Ica should be around $165-175k with max 6% grade.

It's a lot of information, I'm happy for questions for clarification etc..



Other notes:
One thing I started doing lately was putting stations in the middle of the city. This apparently helps with express according to a game hint. But I have no idea how this mechanic works if you add a second station.

In terms of research, in my game above I grew the 7 cities with the default Kitson-Meyer. It's tempting to upgrade to the Garratt, it's a good speed boost, and passenger rating gives +25% on passenger revenue. I thought it better to put money into the new infrastructure for city growth, plus the Lima/Ica industry builds. But I'm sure it's possible to do smartly get an upgrade in their somewhere.
Bonzo Madrid Mar 27, 2019 @ 8:31am 
Thank you very much for the answer. I managed to make gold on the first 2 missions just in time. I restarted like 10 times for this. Now i'm on growing the city to 50k. i tried selling the line from Niter to get more money, but i got only green for this. Also for 30 Clothing.

I'm trying again and again, but it feels bad that just a small mistake and you rating is gone. This is total BS...
Last edited by Bonzo Madrid; Mar 27, 2019 @ 8:46am
gardlt Mar 27, 2019 @ 8:40am 
It is probably the toughest/best scenario. A nice challenge. :steamhappy:

Are you playing Trainiac?

I was mistaken, I think you do need to get the 1st task at the first chance. Cause you can't connect down to Iquique until then. The time is needed for the transit of Chicha to Iquique. Remember to rush Corn up there too. Later on bring in Sugar and Milk when needed from the south. As I said, I chose to build a Brewery there when it hit 40k.

The trick with the Clothes is to not only have the cash to do it early enough, but also a city 55k+ to deliver the production to. So if you get Iquique late it's going to be also hard to get Clothes on time.
Bonzo Madrid Mar 27, 2019 @ 10:58am 
Just a small example of how a stupid mistake can ruin the rating. I made all those chain line connections to Iquique, a train going trough all the farms and picking stuff.. Only that i wanted to be smart, and i went dumb. I set up the train to start with 4 loads milk, go to next station and take another 4 loads and arrive at Iquique. But i forgot to change the second stop to 8 loads max, so my trains didn't deliver any corn to Iquique and i didn't make it. I think
though it's impossible to get Yellow/Gold checks on all the challenges.


PS Yes, i play on Trainiac.
Last edited by Bonzo Madrid; Mar 27, 2019 @ 11:08am
gardlt Mar 27, 2019 @ 11:25am 
For this type of situation I prefer a setup like

Milk
Iquique
Corn
Iquique

In addition to the first train that I already have running

Corn
Iquique
Sugar
Iquique

Had two sidings for passing, and service tower on another near Iquique.

Once I built Brewery at 40k I upgraded the line further, almost to double, with a third dedicated Corn Iquique train.


As long as conflict isn't a major issue, more Corn is demanded than Milk so the trip distance per load of Corn ends up slightly less. But there's not too much in it. When making genuine mistakes, I don't feel bad going back to the previous save.
Saulius Mar 27, 2019 @ 12:37pm 
Originally posted by gardlt:
I did a refresher play,
Thank you gardit for your tips
I could do Automobiles and 4x125k. Was late just few weeks. Was disappointed about 7x50k result made silly mistakes and lazy to load earlier save. Also could finish scenario 1.5-2 years earlier. Was poking around the map and thinking about Iquique problem :)
Last edited by Saulius; Mar 27, 2019 @ 12:42pm
Bonzo Madrid Mar 28, 2019 @ 4:07am 
So,

I managed to get 50k in Iquique in april 1902. I think this is the best possible time, without any Promoters. Maybe can be done a little faster, maybe March. And i still got a green mark...

Shouldn't have been a yellow mark? Because i started it in 1901, so it's 3 years to complete it, and i did it in 1 year and 4 months.
Saulius Mar 28, 2019 @ 5:39am 
Gold mark for Iquique - until 31 December 1901. 2 years from scenario start - 1 January 1900. Date, you started to grow Iquique, doesn't matter
Bored Peon Mar 28, 2019 @ 10:40am 
It took me multiple attempts on this for the president rank. Think I ended up doing it on normal pause and very hard AI.

I put a large station by the corn north of Lima, or maybe I placed the normal signal station first then grew it alter to connect the milk. Then connected the meat city through it (the AI will choose this route to ICA over a route through the pass with niter.)

I then connected the niter to Ica, you can ship niter to Ica before you get the task to do so since it has the export warehouse already. This is good for early cash.

Keep in mind you can ship meat to Ica without supplying cattle just keep in mind sending meat anywhere else can be bad until after you supply cattle.

Then once I got enough money I ran a line out through the corn station to the wood. Supplying wood to Ica will make it grow faster.

Once you conquer the growing Ica part the rest is fairly easy. However getting Ica to the goal has little room for error.

Also do not overlook using refrigerator cars they make a difference cash wise. They also lower how much time a train spend in a station since the refrigerator car is not loaded or unloaded.
Last edited by Bored Peon; Mar 28, 2019 @ 11:04am
Bonzo Madrid Mar 29, 2019 @ 5:23am 
Originally posted by Bored Peon:

I then connected the niter to Ica, you can ship niter to Ica before you get the task to do so since it has the export warehouse already. This is good for early cash.

No you can't do that. You need every load of niter, after reaching first objective for a gold check. The mine has a very low productivity and it takes 3 trains to reach the goal. I made gold every time, in december 1900.

I tried your method too. Although it starts a little better than the south route, it fades faster. I still couldn't reach 50k in december 1901. A whole year it's not enough to reach this objective.
Last edited by Bonzo Madrid; Mar 29, 2019 @ 5:24am
Bored Peon Mar 29, 2019 @ 8:06am 
You did something wrong then.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1697342954

To not reach 50k population pretty much means you are not meeting the city demands and or you are not running a passenger train to the city for the new population to get there.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1697348669 (fish got clipped)

You are missing some of those goods being delivered to reach 50k. You can skip delivering Cocoa and Coffee, I think the wagons take care of that. The other 3 need to be delivered by train.
Bonzo Madrid Mar 29, 2019 @ 8:59am 
It's 50k in Iquique. You have to make a very long and expensive line from Ica to Iquique to transport beer there. Without beer the city doesn't grow, and you have to do this first. It's around 200k from Fish.

So let me explain how i did it, and you say if i did good or not.

First i set a small warehouse at corn. double line to Lima and single line to Cusco.

2 trains from each side passing through the warehouse.

2 trains from Ica to Lima with double line.

After i reach 80k profit, i make a single line from Ica to Fish and Niter(+with sidepass)

I sell immediately the trains once they arrive at Ica, and i keep only 1 train that starts niter and goes through fish with minimum 4 loads of niter and 4 fish for Ica to grow.

I keep saving the money and i make a small station in Iquique I continue the line from Fish to Iquique with beer. If i have any opportunities to cash in on some business connection i take it and i delete the track after.

Next single line from Iquique to Corn south. Next small station Sugar Cane with passing through fish.

I'm talking only about Gold Marks on the first 4 objectives.

I managed to do gold on first 3, only with promoter.
Saulius Mar 29, 2019 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by Bored Peon:
You did something wrong then.

you are not running a passenger train to the city for the new population to get there.

You do not need any passengers to grow city, just goods
Last edited by Saulius; Mar 29, 2019 @ 9:43am
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