Security Guard City Warehouse

[Lateralus]

Can I use a security guard on a freight train delivering to a warehouse attached to a city? Or do I need to deliver direct to the city to get the bonus?

[Thineboot]

You can use them but if your question is whether you'll receive the bonus delivering to a warehouse attached to a city the answer is no.

[Lateralus]

Thanks

[Dray Prescot]

But would you get any Tech Bonuses that increase delivery fees for delivering Cargoes to that Warehouse, when the City takes the Resources/Goods into it's Warehouse? (I suspect the answer is NO).

[gardlt]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

But would you get any Tech Bonuses that increase delivery fees for delivering Cargoes to that Warehouse, when the City takes the Resources/Goods into it's Warehouse? (I suspect the answer is NO).

The answer is yes.

[Dray Prescot]

Good. So the Delivery Fee increases due to Techs still work even when the trains deliver to Warehouses, but you only will get them when the City takes the Resources/Goods from the Warehouse and moves them into the City's internal Warehouse and pays the normal delivery fee, plus any Tech bonuses.

Security Guards generate NO increased income when the train delivers TO a Warehouse even when the goods are moved into the City which generates the normal fee (plus any Tech Bonuses), but picking up FROM a Rural Warehouse is ok because that does not generate any fees.

So do NOT assign Security Guards to trains delivering TO Warehouses (near Cities) for extra income (they can still serve to prevent robberies though). (Not a problem early in most games, but be aware of it when you do use Warehouses near Cities).

Outside of the Mexican Scenario, I have only very rarely had problems with train robbers that were hired by the AI Companies. I can only recall one time where a Passenger/Mail train got robbed by a Robber hired by an AI Company. Freight Trains, outside of Mexico, have not been much of a problem.

[Thineboot]

Security guards and refrigerator cars are part of the train delivering goods. If there is no train involved while selling the goods they are not present and therefore their boni can't be paid.

I know, pure logic tells you they were involved, the goods were guarded and cooled down during transport but the city buys from the warehouse and there is no paper trail to prove ;)

[Dray Prescot]

I agree that the refrigerator cars and security guards should be effective in generating their benefits when delivering to warehouses, but the game mechanics as presently implemented make it difficult. In order for them to work properly, i.e. be calculated properly, they need to be figured (and therefore Paid) upon delivery to the Warehouse.

The present game mechanics are designed around making sure that only one delivery fee is generated per carload of Resources/Goods (and that it is a FIXED fee that does NOT Depend on DISTANCE and TIME, which is not realistic. In real life they do depend on distance and time taken, just like they do for Passengers and Mail in the game).

[chaney]

There are solutions that could pay things like Guard bonuses for deliveries to a Warehouse.

One would be to *tag* individual goods with the Guard status. When the City takes the goods for consumption, they could easily prefer the better tagged goods first, or take them in order of delivery (cue) or the reverse of that (stack.) If removed from that warehouse, the status is also removed, possibly replaced by a new one if the new train has a Guard.

For the simplified mechanics of the game, I think that would be a fair representation of the effects, although not perfect in every detail.