Can someone explain me the story?

[Blueberry Muffin]

Ok, I just saw Lugo's death (I wasn't expecting that, good plot twist) so it would be nice if you don't say any spoilers that happens after that part

I know that Konrad is the leader of the 33, and the Dubai is under martial law for Konrad's orders, but what's the deal with the old guy that wanted to steal the water, for who he was working? For the US? Insurgents? Konrad? The same questions goes for that guy, Gould, what was his purpose in the story?

And the guys that the Deltas killed with white phosphorus? The ones that wanted to save the civilians, they were working for Konrad or the US?

And what's the deal with the locutor? I mean, he was working for Konrad or the insurgents? And what did he do besides talking ♥♥♥♥ on the radio?

Seriously all the plot twists confused me

[ShadowOfNexxus]

in a few sentences. Riggs wanted to steal the water beacuse he wants dubai he is CIA to die the reason isn't really given however you might have not noticed however, Riggs crashes the truck on purpose the guys who where killed they were CIA the reason. For the radio man he is in fation with the 33rd. But your missing the point of the game Walker dies in the begining of the game this scene is repeated because the helicopter scene at the begining of the game after that walker is reliving his events however he doesn't know he is dead thats why only walker can read "arabic" hyms and see the graffiti but walker was never supposed to be here he was supposed to go the rescue misson. not to spoil anything but this is walkers "hell" its not real he already died in the helicopter scene also understanding the game also needs you to know the transitions fade to black is real fade to white is in his head same with Call Of Duty Black Ops the same concept is used hope this helps :)

[Blueberry Muffin]

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

in a few sentences. Riggs wanted to steal the water beacuse he wants dubai he is CIA to die the reason isn't really given however you might have not noticed however, Riggs crashes the truck on purpose the guys who where killed they were CIA the reason. For the radio man he is in fation with the 33rd. But your missing the point of the game Walker dies in the begining of the game this scene is repeated because the helicopter scene at the begining of the game after that walker is reliving his events however he doesn't know he is dead thats why only walker can read "arabic" hyms and see the graffiti but walker was never supposed to be here he was supposed to go the rescue misson. not to spoil anything but this is walkers "hell" its not real he already died in the helicopter scene also understanding the game also needs you to know the transitions fade to black is real fade to white is in his head same with Call Of Duty Black Ops the same concept is used hope this helps :)

I finished the game, got the ending where you have to "kill" Konrad and I played the epilogue but no one never says that Walker died in the helicopter, in the epilogue he says he didn't make it, but how do you know that he died in the heli? Does it appear in another ending?

[MrMcSwifty]

Originally posted by Yeeiser:

Does it appear in another ending?

No, it doesn't because it's pure conjecture. The story is intentionally vague, so it lends itself to all sorts of fan theories, and that's just one of them.

To be fair, at one point one of the game devs did state in an interview that he believed Walker was dead and reliving his own personal hell. This was explained as his own personal interpretation of the story, but naturally everyone latched onto that and decided it was the "official" canon. Personally, I find it a bit pretentious; he's just trying to make the story seem a little bit deeper than it really is (and deeper than it really needs to be).

I've made lengthy posts here about this subject in the past, and I don't really feel like repeating myself, so I'll just say that the Walker being dead thing doesn't really work if you think about it, and the ending you speak of is a perfect example of why.

[Blueberry Muffin]

Originally posted by McSwifty:

Originally posted by Yeeiser:

Does it appear in another ending?

No, it doesn't because it's pure conjecture. The story is intentionally vague, so it kind of lends itself to all sorts of fan theories, and that's just one of them.

To be fair, at one point one of the game devs did state in an interview that he believed Walker was dead and reliving his own personal hell. This was explained as his own personal interpretation of the story, but naturally everyone latched onto that and decided it was the "official" canon.

Personally, I find it a bit pretentious; trying to make the plot seem deeper than it really is. I've made lengthy posts here about this subject in the past, and I don't really feel like repeating myself, so I'll just say that the Walker being dead thing doesn't really work if you think about it, and the ending you speak of is a prime example of why. [/quote]

Well if he didn't die at the heli crash then the devs broke the 4th wall the second time you fight in the heli because he says that they have done it before.

So if it's canon or not, the death in the helicopter crash seems leggit to me. It makes sense. And the plot is pretty deep already IMO, confusing, but it's good

[MrMcSwifty]

Originally posted by Yeeiser:

Well if he didn't die at the heli crash then the devs broke the 4th wall the second time you fight in the heli because he says that they have done it before.

So if it's canon or not, the death in the helicopter crash seems leggit to me. It makes sense. And the plot is pretty deep already IMO, confusing, but it's good

I agree, it's a good story either way you want to interpret it.

[Dingo]

Originally posted by Yeeiser:

To be fair, at one point one of the game devs did state in an interview that he believed Walker was dead and reliving his own personal hell. This was explained as his own personal interpretation of the story, but naturally everyone latched onto that and decided it was the "official" canon.

It was coming from the writer himself.

Originally posted by Yeeiser:

[...] Walker being dead thing doesn't really work if you think about it, and the ending you speak of is a prime example of why.

Why?


PS: This post is a hot mess, fix your quotes damnit X)

[MrMcSwifty]

Originally posted by Dingo:

Why?

If Walker was truly dead the entire time, then what was the point of including an epilogue in which he gets rescued at the end? The theory works well enough right up until the point where he gets to leave Dubai. It should have ended in the tower, either with him commiting suicide, or with the hallucination about taking command of the 33rd.

Sorry about the messed up quotes. I screwed up the formatting in my first post and Yeeiser quoted me before I was able to fix it.

[ShadowOfNexxus]

Originally posted by McSwifty:

Originally posted by Dingo:

Why?

If Walker was truly dead the entire time, then what was the point of including an epilogue in which he gets rescued at the end? The theory works well enough right up until the point where he gets to leave Dubai. It should have ended in the tower, either with him commiting suicide, or with the hallucination about taking command of the 33rd.


its not a theory its 100% valid if you look at screen transtion it fades to white this is apparent in many other games like Black Ops and Majora's Mask after the epilogue the games goes back to chapter 1 because walker is dead he can never escape Dubai. In other words Dubai is Walkers "Hell" how he would imagine hell. Walker is so afraid of Dubai he considers it hell well you can't escape hell so the games repeats

[ShadowOfNexxus]

Does it appear in another ending? [/quote]

no this is because of the transtion to white if its black its real walker dies the heli because in chapter 12 he says "haven't we done this before" after the crash walker and the crew dies the game starts from chapter 12 in reality this is where walker dies chapter 1 is real but after chapter 12 everything is in his imagination

[ShadowOfNexxus]

also i'd like to add this is 100% canon anybody who can understand the transtions can confirm this

[MrMcSwifty]

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

its not a theory its 100% valid if you look at screen transtion it fades to white this is apparent in many other games like Black Ops and Majora's Mask after the epilogue the games goes back to chapter 1 because walker is dead he can never escape Dubai. In other words Dubai is Walkers "Hell" how he would imagine hell. Walker is so afraid of Dubai he considers it hell well you can't escape hell so the games repeats

Now it's my turn to ask, "why?" So Konrad tells Walker he gets to go home, and we're treated to an end scene that clearly shows him leaving Dubai, but then... it just goes back to the start again? For what reason, and where is it ever indicated that this is the case anywhere during the game? Furthermore, how does this in enhance the story in any way whatsoever?

This is why I call it a "theory..." because even though I can't argue with what the writer says, I still contend that the story he wanted to tell is not the one we got in the game. I don't think many people would have ever drawn the conclusion that Walker was dead and reliving his past over and over again if the devs hadn't come straight out and explicitly told us this after the fact.

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

no this is because of the transtion to white if its black its real walker dies the heli because in chapter 12 he says "haven't we done this before" after the crash walker and the crew dies the game starts from chapter 12 in reality this is where walker dies chapter 1 is real but after chapter 12 everything is in his imagination

There are two moments that take place after that crash that don't really work if they're only in Walker's head, because they're crucial to his character development: Lugo dies, and you have the option to massacre the civilians that killed him. This is a pivitol moment, because it's where he finally stops trying to be the hero and decides he's going to "kill everything that moves," specifically because of what happens in that scene and the guilt he feels over Lugo's death.

Someone else said it best in another thread. If this was really fabricated inside Walker's head it completely diminishes the impact of those scenes, and in my opinion makes the rest of the game seem almost pointless. After all, he was already dead before he was ever really driven to the point where he decides to "cross the line," so why is he being punished in hell and forced to relive something that didn't even really happen? *oh no i just went cross-eyed*

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

also i'd like to add this is 100% canon anybody who can understand the transtions can confirm this

I understand the transitions, and while they do well to differentiate between what's going on in Walker's head and in reality, I still don't see how they're proof positive that he dies in the game. It's another one of those things that I don't think anyone would have even picked up on had the devs not come right out and explained it to us. BTW... the mere fact that it had to be explained at all is pretty indicative that they failed to convey the story they were aiming for.

Aaaand sorry for the wall the text. After I told myself I wasn't going to do this. :P

[ShadowOfNexxus]

Originally posted by McSwifty:

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

its not a theory its 100% valid if you look at screen transtion it fades to white this is apparent in many other games like Black Ops and Majora's Mask after the epilogue the games goes back to chapter 1 because walker is dead he can never escape Dubai. In other words Dubai is Walkers "Hell" how he would imagine hell. Walker is so afraid of Dubai he considers it hell well you can't escape hell so the games repeats

1)Now it's my turn to ask, "why?" So Konrad tells Walker he gets to go home, and we're treated to an end scene that clearly shows him leaving Dubai, but then... it just goes back to the start again? For what reason, and where is it ever indicated that this is the case anywhere during the game? Furthermore, how does this in enhance the story in any way whatsoever?

This is why I call it a "theory..." because even though I can't argue with what the writer says, I still contend that the story he wanted to tell is not the one we got in the game. I don't think many people would have ever drawn the conclusion that Walker was dead and reliving his past over and over again if the devs hadn't come straight out and explicitly told us this after the fact.

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

no this is because of the transtion to white if its black its real walker dies the heli because in chapter 12 he says "haven't we done this before" after the crash walker and the crew dies the game starts from chapter 12 in reality this is where walker dies chapter 1 is real but after chapter 12 everything is in his imagination

There are two moments that take place after that crash that don't really work if they're only in Walker's head, because they're crucial to his character development: Lugo dies, and you have the option to massacre the civilians that killed him. This is a pivitol moment, because it's where he finally stops trying to be the hero and decides he's going to "kill everything that moves," specifically because of what happens in that scene and the guilt he feels over Lugo's death.

Someone else said it best in another thread. If this was really fabricated inside Walker's head it completely diminishes the impact of those scenes, and in my opinion makes the rest of the game seem almost pointless. After all, he was already dead before he was ever really driven to the point where he decides to "cross the line," so why is he being punished in hell and forced to relive something that didn't even really happen? *oh no i just went cross-eyed*

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

also i'd like to add this is 100% canon anybody who can understand the transtions can confirm this

I understand the transitions, and while they do well to differentiate between what's going on in Walker's head and in reality, I still don't see how they're proof positive that he dies in the game. It's another one of those things that I don't think anyone would have even picked up on had the devs not come right out and explained it to us. BTW... the mere fact that it had to be explained at all is pretty indicative that they failed to convey the story they were aiming for.

Aaaand sorry for the wall the text. After I told myself I wasn't going to do this. :P

1) the game goes back beacuse walker is in hell proof in chapter 14 "welcome to hell walker" if you read the messages in the loading screen one of them says 'The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants. But this isn't real, so why should you care?" the point of this game is to fear war Walker is scared of war in chapter 12 walker clearly dies but he says "haven't we done this already" meaning the game loops walker might think he can leave dubai but in reality (his imagination) he can't escape

i will answer the other questions later :) i don't have any time right now

[Blueberry Muffin]

Originally posted by AdvancedTechX:

Originally posted by McSwifty:

1)Now it's my turn to ask, "why?" So Konrad tells Walker he gets to go home, and we're treated to an end scene that clearly shows him leaving Dubai, but then... it just goes back to the start again? For what reason, and where is it ever indicated that this is the case anywhere during the game? Furthermore, how does this in enhance the story in any way whatsoever?

This is why I call it a "theory..." because even though I can't argue with what the writer says, I still contend that the story he wanted to tell is not the one we got in the game. I don't think many people would have ever drawn the conclusion that Walker was dead and reliving his past over and over again if the devs hadn't come straight out and explicitly told us this after the fact.



There are two moments that take place after that crash that don't really work if they're only in Walker's head, because they're crucial to his character development: Lugo dies, and you have the option to massacre the civilians that killed him. This is a pivitol moment, because it's where he finally stops trying to be the hero and decides he's going to "kill everything that moves," specifically because of what happens in that scene and the guilt he feels over Lugo's death.

Someone else said it best in another thread. If this was really fabricated inside Walker's head it completely diminishes the impact of those scenes, and in my opinion makes the rest of the game seem almost pointless. After all, he was already dead before he was ever really driven to the point where he decides to "cross the line," so why is he being punished in hell and forced to relive something that didn't even really happen? *oh no i just went cross-eyed*



I understand the transitions, and while they do well to differentiate between what's going on in Walker's head and in reality, I still don't see how they're proof positive that he dies in the game. It's another one of those things that I don't think anyone would have even picked up on had the devs not come right out and explained it to us. BTW... the mere fact that it had to be explained at all is pretty indicative that they failed to convey the story they were aiming for.

Aaaand sorry for the wall the text. After I told myself I wasn't going to do this. :P

1. the game goes back beacuse walker is in hell proof in chapter 14 "welcome to hell walker" if you read the messages in the loading screen one of them says 'killing amercians is bad but who cares this isn't real" the point of this game is to fear war Walker is scared of war in chapter 12 walker clearly dies but he says "haven't we done this already" meaning the game loops walker might think he can leave dubai but in reality (his imagination) he can't

So at the end of the day, he didn't need weed to see alucinations?

[ShadowOfNexxus]

walker is in hell the game loops over and over again hope this answered your questions if my facts didn't help you can find a dead walker outside the bus in the game's first level http://imgur.com/pFtdEEy

[Ambiguous Assassin]

About the 'Walker does the helicopter fight twice' thing. Not true, not literally anyway. This is a common device used in films, where you show a scene from later in the film, and then cut to the start, and the story then plays out, eventually getting to the point where the first scene naturally occurs. After all, after the crash in the storm, the game says "Earlier..." and shows Konrad when he was alive, and then cuts to Walker and his teammates coming in out of the desert, when the game proper starts. They are unharmed, and clearly doing this for the first time.

So when he gets to the helicopter fight in its proper sequence and says "didn't we do this before?" it's deja vu for him. The question for us is whether that deja vu is significant, and if so, how.