SPOILER TALK Why does walker say "we've done this before" when you get to the turret section the second time?

[I'm a Cop, you Idiot]

I really dont understand this but I understand the rest of the game

[Miklas]

deja vu

[frosty*]

excapt u have heatseeking missles to shoot down apart from that its the same as the intro

[I'm a Cop, you Idiot]

both sections are supposed to be the same point in time! Thats why its weird, its like breaking the fourth wall and I dont understsand what it means

[Vito]

because that was the very first scene of the game? you really did that before :)

[I'm a Cop, you Idiot]

Originally posted by Pomornik:

because that was the very first scene of the game? you really did that before :)

yeah, no ♥♥♥♥. But the characters dont know that because theyre not real people. Do none of you understand why this is abnormal? He doesnt ever break the forth wall but at this point he just randomly does? There has to be some deeper meaning

[Richard Long]

Originally posted by A true ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Pomornik:

because that was the very first scene of the game? you really did that before :)

yeah, no ♥♥♥♥. But the characters dont know that because theyre not real people. Do none of you understand why this is abnormal? He doesnt ever break the forth wall but at this point he just randomly does? There has to be some deeper meaning

It has to do with how he is working through the trauma of killing all of the survivors. when the helicopter crashes walker gets knocked out and is having a flashback to what led up to that point.

[I'm a Cop, you Idiot]

Originally posted by Apple Jack Sparrow:

Originally posted by A true ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

yeah, no ♥♥♥♥. But the characters dont know that because theyre not real people. Do none of you understand why this is abnormal? He doesnt ever break the forth wall but at this point he just randomly does? There has to be some deeper meaning

It has to do with how he is working through the trauma of killing all of the survivors. when the helicopter crashes walker gets knocked out and is having a flashback to what led up to that point.

Thanks!

[IllCaesar]

The way I see it, the helicopter crash at the beginning of the game game is one that is an accurate representation of reality, and during that crash, Walker blacks out, and recalls everything up to that point of the game in a flashback. This explains why even before Conrad becomes Walker's antagonist that we're already seeing his faces plastered everywhere and other indications of Walker's denial of reality. Then fast-forward up to the chopper crash, he realizes that what is going on is some sort of dream, and in this dream version, the attackers are greater in number and more viscious, which again alludes to how unreliable Walker's perspective is, as he's imagining them as a greater threat than they really were. Then he has the hallucination of hell, and wakes up.

I've heard a pretty decent argument that Walker actually died in the helicopter crash, and that everything that follows is a hallucination created by a dying brain, or that he's actually in denial of his death and in a sort of purgatory until the ending of the game, in which he either takes responsibility for his actions (in some way or another) or remains in purgatory. Personally, I don't ascribe to that, but it is certainly an interesting hypothesis.

[K3R3NSKY]

It's called "In medias res" *which basically means starting in the middle, its a way of telling the narrative of starting with action and jumping back in time. Basically Walker crashes and we flashback to before the helicopter crash. So when Walker says "we've done this before" he is experiencing de ja vu and you are picking up the story where you first started as the audience.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_medias_res

But this is also a move at breaking the fourth wall hinting to the audience to remember they are playing a video game**. This may seem out of left field but it is important at the end of the game. to truly understand it you can watch a great analysis by these guys:

**(Spoiler filled version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZIhcCA2lk

(non spoiler filled version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjaBsuXWJJ8

One other additional note that the above videos touch on but do not cover is in relation to the fades to black or white, if you watch the cinematic after the helicopter crash in the beginning without skipping it, it will fade to white; where as skipping the intro will fade to black altering both the reality and interpretation of the story.***

***https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN6YTm9DoQk

This is a great example of "The unreliable narrator"**** thus walker re-experiencing the helicopter crash along with the audience and the sudden presence of missiles brings on the question of weather or not everything we have experienced before the crash was real or just the altered reality that walker thought he experienced.

****http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator

[Negra Jesus El Savior Christ!]

Spoiler-tacular, ect ect.

Walker died in the crash and is in his own personal hell, reliving what he did (and then creating further torture for himself). The devs themselves said this was the case in a pod cast, saying something about how "reality" scenes were fade-to-black, and "dream" sequences were fade to white; and that nearly everything after the crash is fade-to-white.

Icing on the cake, and pretty much "you cannot argue against this" fact is that, in the first level of the game, right after you first make contact with the survivors who attack you, there is an abandoned semi truck across from a heavy MG you're forced to take out. It's right after the over-turned bus you can shoot sand out of, and I believe it's the part where you ordering your black guy to grenade something is introduced.

Anyway, on the side of that truck is Conrad's face, which clinches that everything past opening sequence of the game is Walker's hell. Or, arguably, his dying brain re-capping and then fulfilling his fantasy (or dragging him back to horrible reality depending on how you want to look at it). Either way it's pretty much the same thing.

[as1.privat]

Originally posted by Miklas:

deja vu

[Penis Parker]

Originally posted by IllCaesar:

The way I see it, the helicopter crash at the beginning of the game game is one that is an accurate representation of reality, and during that crash, Walker blacks out, and recalls everything up to that point of the game in a flashback. This explains why even before Conrad becomes Walker's antagonist that we're already seeing his faces plastered everywhere and other indications of Walker's denial of reality. Then fast-forward up to the chopper crash, he realizes that what is going on is some sort of dream, and in this dream version, the attackers are greater in number and more viscious, which again alludes to how unreliable Walker's perspective is, as he's imagining them as a greater threat than they really were. Then he has the hallucination of hell, and wakes up.

I've heard a pretty decent argument that Walker actually died in the helicopter crash, and that everything that follows is a hallucination created by a dying brain, or that he's actually in denial of his death and in a sort of purgatory until the ending of the game, in which he either takes responsibility for his actions (in some way or another) or remains in purgatory. Personally, I don't ascribe to that, but it is certainly an interesting hypothesis.

I think the whole story is a loop. Not only in Walker's head, but a representation of reality. Especially because, in the beginning, he says "Gentlemen, welcome to Dubai" to his squad, the same thing he says in the "bad" ending. Our reality is often like that. We deny what we don't want to accept, even when the truth is thrown at our faces, which leads to a new cycle of denial. Walker only "breaks free" out of the loop when he acknowledges his actions and kills himself, because he is not actually killing HIMSELF, but his older self (not sure how to call it), the self that denies, that tries to escape.

[rugunac]

Walker says "We've done this before." just because we already did it before. Walker and you share same mind.

[SiNiSTAR]

I suggest you to watch this video it explains a lot of things along with tons of hidden easter eggs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tULRgsc362o