Small arms discussion.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Anyone else find it weird that the Fayetteville is the statistically best infantry musket in the game? From what i dug up online it's basically just a Harpers Ferry that was produced by the CSA with captured equipment, The CS Richmond is pretty much the same case except it's based on the 1855 Springfield. It seems like the 1863 Springfield should be the top tier musket or maybe the unscoped whitworth, since the Confederates would actually have the ability to produce/purchase the whitworth historically instead of capturing them.

And i suppose it should be noted that all of the confederate made rifles except for the farmers are simply copies of other designs produced in the CSA Fayetteville = Harpers Ferry, CS Richmond = 1855 springfield, MJ&G Type II = M1841 Mississippi, Tyler Texas = 1853 Enfield. Maybe the CSA should just have a larger number of those rifles in hand instead of having multiple designs. Or allow us to combine the CSA made rifles with stockpiles of their non CSA counterpart since it's such a pain to get 2,500 rifles of the same model.

[salad fork]

Originally posted by emcdunna:

If powder smoke was that bad, how were there any tactics at all?

Why not just have 1 line of men with rifles, then once the line of smoke was bad enough, have a different line armed with swords and axes sneak through the smoke and chop up an unsuspecting unit?

How would any flanking manuevere or any assault get anywhere if a few minutes of shooting left the whole place blinded

They used scouts and skirmishers to reconnoiter and locate the main enemy line and screen their own. Usually these were handpicked soldiers of exemplary physical aptitude, some particularly good shooters, who would report directly to a superior officer. They would also try to harass them as much as possible following up to the two lines meeting which would force the enemy line to dispatch skirmishers of their own and would often only fall back to their own line once heavily pressed.

Before the Army of Northern Virginia gave the directive that each infantry regiment was to provide a certain amount of skirmishers for this duty, officers would perform these dangerous tasks themselves on horseback and often be killed by enemy pickets. The Union reaction to these type of skirmishers seems to have been at their officers own discretion on a personal basis rather than in the Army of Northern Virginia where it was mandatory practice.

[Didz]

According to Davis the entire of the 7th Illinous were armed with Henry Rifles, and individual soliders could buy them for $35, if they had the money. they were said to be able to fire sixteen .44 Calibre rounds as fast as the firer could work the level action. however, logic would suggest that they would very quickly rujn out of ammunition.

There is a photogragh here of some of them posing with their rifles.
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/8690/9966279_2.jpg?v=8CD4A78F4975F80

I'm just reading through the regimental history, and apparently they were orginally issued with the alter Harpers Ferry rifled muskets, and they fought with those through several battles including Fort Henry, Fort Donalson, Shiloh, Corinth and Town Creek.

But on or about the 8th September 1864 the entire regiment purchased themselves Henry Rifles and these were used at the Battle of Allatoona Pass.

https://archive.org/details/historyofseventh00ambr

[Magni]

Originally posted by emcdunna:

How do you shoot that many rounds if powder smoke is so bad?

I want to be able to buy like 100 of them and mix them into an elite unit

By shooting half-blind and relying on volume of fire. Also the Henry's powder load was closer to pistols of the time because the mechanism wasn't up to withstanding powder loads used by contemporary muzzleloading rifles, so they would engage at shorter range anyway.

Game-wise, the repeater files (Colt, Henry and Spencer) are mostly useful for cavalry or dedicated skirmisher brigades, the latter being useful to pour a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of flanking fire into enemy brigades that are engaged from the front by your line infantry.

Originally posted by Didz:

I doubt there has ever been a battle where everyone could see their enemy all of the time.

Yeah. You never have perfect information about the enemy. That's exactly what is menat when people tak about the fog of war.

[HB]

The FoW and not knowing, has been replaced with information overload, and understanding what is imortant and what is not has replaced wondering what is going on over the hill.

[HB]

Originally posted by Didz:

According to Davis the entire of the 7th Illinous were armed with Henry Rifles, and individual soliders could buy them for $35, if they had the money. they were said to be able to fire sixteen .44 Calibre rounds as fast as the firer could work the level action. however, logic would suggest that they would very quickly rujn out of ammunition.

There is a photogragh here of some of them posing with their rifles.
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/8690/9966279_2.jpg?v=8CD4A78F4975F80

I'm just reading through the regimental history, and apparently they were orginally issued with the alter Harpers Ferry rifled muskets.

Standard resupply ,Brigade had 5 ammo wagons for supply, RR Regiments had a dedicated wagon.

[Magni]

Originally posted by hannibalbarca120002001:

The FoW and not knowing, has been replaced with information overload, and understanding what is imortant and what is not has replaced wondering what is going on over the hill.

Eh, to some degree. Yes, information gathering has improved massively, but perfect knowledge of the enemy and his intentions is still an impossible ideal.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by draqsko:

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

Every smoothbore musket adopted by the US military was in .69 caliber, So if they are supposed to be .54 or .58 they would couldn't be old military muskets.

And you're the one who needs to tell me why the muskets like fayettevilles and 1841 springfields have melee stats in the upper 80s despite being rifled.

Actually there's quite a few rifles that were rebored from a smaller caliber. For example the M1819 Hall rifle, originally .54 caliber / .525 ball, they were rebored to .69 ball. The original M1841 Mississippi rifle was .54 caliber, changed in 1855 to Minee ball caliber (.58), the stats in the game reflect the upgraded version but there was still some older versions in use at the start of the ACW and were likely rebored to smoothbore ammo due to wear in the rifling. In fact there's a whole class of "rifles" the game largely ignores that were used in the beginning of the ACW: Harpers Ferry M1803, M1814/1817 common rifles, all of them .54 caliber that fired .525 round ball and were generally rebored to common ammunition sizes and retrofitted with percussion caps by the time of the ACW. I suspect these form the basis of the Farmers Musket and rebored Farmers Musket since those arms were used by early CSA militia. Don't forget the CSA didn't have anywhere near the Union's capablility to manufacture arms until they captured Harpers Ferry, so alot of those units used whatever was on hand for the early battles.

Fayettevilles are not muskets, they are rifles. Muskets and Musketoons are smoothbore and the Springfield M1842 (there's only M1840/1842, 1841 doesn't exist) are smoothbore muskets not sure where you get they are rifles.

Fayetteville and Richmond get the "Made in the CSA" melee bonus as i stated earlier. They are Harpers Ferry model rifles that were made in Fayetteville and Richmond on equipment that was taken from Harpers Ferry Armory and moved to those respective cities. There should be very little difference between any of them.

In fact there should be zero melee difference between the Springfield M1855, M1861, and M1863 since they were literally all the same rifle, the only thing that changed on them was: M1855 had Maynard tape primer instead of percussion caps (which would make this model have a slightly lower fire rate), and marginal improvements in banding for M1863. But they should all have the same base range and accuracy.

And the CSA versions should be scaled appropriately as well, with the Fayetteville having the same ratings of the Harpers Ferry since they are literally the same length and manufacture, and the Richmonds having the same ratings as the Springfield M1855/1861/1863 because again, same length and manufacture. The only real differences were between the Springfield/Richmond version and Harpers Ferry/Fayetteville version, with the Springfield/Richmond being 7 inches longer.

This is reality, not sure why you are using ratings in a game to define history rather than using history to define the ratings used in the game. Some of the game balance choices made clearly favor the CSA for melee and the Union for riflery despite the fact that in the real world those differences in tactics favored were clearly the results of training rather than weapons used. Heck the M1841 Mississippi rifle should have the worst melee rating in the game since it still used the sword bayonet which was largely proven inferior to the pike bayonet for actual bayonet combat activities (the sword bayonet was much better for cooking though) AND was rifled for Minee ball.

The 1819 is a breech loading rifle you 'tard, It's clearly not a musket or a smoothbore, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jya1R4Tyvk Every smoothbore musket used by the government was .69. the 1841 "mississipi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1841_Mississippi_rifle is what i was referring to. http://www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_1861percussion.html I guess the smithsonian is wrong, Anyway the reason i've continually pointed out is the simple fact that there's no mention of buck and ball anywhere in the game. If you're too dense to understand that it's your problem

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by hannibalbarca120002001:

Originally posted by Didz:

I would have thought that if such things happened that there would be plenty of evidence of it it in the primary resources left by both sides.

The ACW was if nothing else one of the first major conflicts in history were literacy was quite common and where there were actual photographs of the aftermath of war.

For example: I went through my sources yesterday looking for primary evidence of heavy black powder battlefield smoke, in response to an issue raised on another thread, and found to my surprise that none of the soliders who left accounts of battles like Shiloh and Antietam mention it as a memorable factor at all, despite mentioning how internse the fighting was.

That's actually a marked difference to those letters left by soldiers of the Napoleonic wars, who invariably mention the dense clouds of black powder smoke obscuring their view and causing chaos and confusion.

I would have though on a similar vien that if cold steel was used extensively, or even at all, in the ACW someone wouyld have found it memorable enough to write it in their diary or tell their mum about it. You don't stick a man with a bayonet and forget about it easily.

In the Napoleonic period there was certanly a lot of talk about going in with the bayonet, indeed it was Alexander Suvorov's favourite subject.

“The bullet is a mad thing, only the bayonet knows what it is about.”
-- Alexander Suvorov

It was also a favourite story to include in after dinner speeches in the officers club.

'They don't like it up 'em, Mr Mainwaring, 'dem fuzzy-wuzzies just don't like it up 'em.'
-- Corporal Jones

However, it seems that the soldiers themselves were less enthusiastic, and there are only three documented accounts during the entire Napoleonic War of soldiers actually crossing bayonet's, two of those being accidental.

Napoleon was particularly fond of the bayonet as a weapon and was always interested in men who claimed to have been wounded or killed by bayonets. To this end Baron Larry his personal surgeon was told to report any men he found sporting bayonet wounds. However, after studying the dead and wounded of numerous close quater battles Larry only found five such wounds to report.

Nevertheless, claims of bayonet charges are common, and in some cases contested. At the Battle of Maida the claim was made that the British fired but a single volley and then chased the French from the field with the bayonet, slaughtering hundreds of Frenchmen in their flight.



But a Sergeant who was present in the ranks that faced the French scoffed at the claim pointing out that no Frenchman came anywhere near the reach of his bayonet, turning and running long before they came within reach, and the rush forwards never caught a single man and was mainly driven by interest in the contents of the enemies backpacks which many had shed in order to run faster and which were known to be stuffed with food and loot.

So, I would say if bayonet's were crossed in the ACW, lets see some real evidence from the people who were there and not from Universal Studio's folk lore.

Baron Larrey attributted Frenchcasualties from bayonets at 2%, increasing to 4% in a bayonet charge reulting in contact.so you answerd your question already.
Medical Surgical history of the War of the Rebellion, part1 vol 2.
12980 wnds to head all causes, sword/bayonet cause ,645, so 4.5% of total.
20,607 wnds to chest all causes, sword/bayonet cause, 933, unknown 934, so 0.18%.
4821 wnds to abdomen all causes, 114 sword/bayonet, so 2.3%
dittto legs, 0.25%.
total head/chest/abdomen wnds, 38,408 sword/bay causal agent, 4.4% total. wounds to hands feet legs are over half the total treated in the war, but contain under 200 sword/bay wounds making the gross figure appear to show little number of total wounds. triangle bayonet was designed to max out blood loss, Rorkes drift forensic examination of mass grave found over 400 zulu deaths from thrust to neck by bayonet. Wounds treated dont explain death in combat, but since 7.7 bay/sword were fatal, about half the mortality rate from gunshot, and deaths from combat and numbers treated at hospital compared, a rough number can be adduced for those killed in comba to add to those treated.
% loss for comparison.
UK Crimea 1.5, French 3
Austrians verona 2.9, montcella 9.2
French in mexico 1864, 22.3
franco prussia war 2.9.
Russia japan 2.5
black powderand it hanging close to ground for long periods can best be seen in Birth of a Nation, as the combat sceens were given over to veterans to be filmed by Grifith, who just asked them to show him what combat looked like.

Unsourced again, Sorry but no one is buying this when you can't even tell the difference between a surgical wound and a combat wound.

[draqsko]

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

Originally posted by draqsko:

Actually there's quite a few rifles that were rebored from a smaller caliber. For example the M1819 Hall rifle, originally .54 caliber / .525 ball, they were rebored to .69 ball. The original M1841 Mississippi rifle was .54 caliber, changed in 1855 to Minee ball caliber (.58), the stats in the game reflect the upgraded version but there was still some older versions in use at the start of the ACW and were likely rebored to smoothbore ammo due to wear in the rifling. In fact there's a whole class of "rifles" the game largely ignores that were used in the beginning of the ACW: Harpers Ferry M1803, M1814/1817 common rifles, all of them .54 caliber that fired .525 round ball and were generally rebored to common ammunition sizes and retrofitted with percussion caps by the time of the ACW. I suspect these form the basis of the Farmers Musket and rebored Farmers Musket since those arms were used by early CSA militia. Don't forget the CSA didn't have anywhere near the Union's capablility to manufacture arms until they captured Harpers Ferry, so alot of those units used whatever was on hand for the early battles.

Fayettevilles are not muskets, they are rifles. Muskets and Musketoons are smoothbore and the Springfield M1842 (there's only M1840/1842, 1841 doesn't exist) are smoothbore muskets not sure where you get they are rifles.

Fayetteville and Richmond get the "Made in the CSA" melee bonus as i stated earlier. They are Harpers Ferry model rifles that were made in Fayetteville and Richmond on equipment that was taken from Harpers Ferry Armory and moved to those respective cities. There should be very little difference between any of them.

In fact there should be zero melee difference between the Springfield M1855, M1861, and M1863 since they were literally all the same rifle, the only thing that changed on them was: M1855 had Maynard tape primer instead of percussion caps (which would make this model have a slightly lower fire rate), and marginal improvements in banding for M1863. But they should all have the same base range and accuracy.

And the CSA versions should be scaled appropriately as well, with the Fayetteville having the same ratings of the Harpers Ferry since they are literally the same length and manufacture, and the Richmonds having the same ratings as the Springfield M1855/1861/1863 because again, same length and manufacture. The only real differences were between the Springfield/Richmond version and Harpers Ferry/Fayetteville version, with the Springfield/Richmond being 7 inches longer.

This is reality, not sure why you are using ratings in a game to define history rather than using history to define the ratings used in the game. Some of the game balance choices made clearly favor the CSA for melee and the Union for riflery despite the fact that in the real world those differences in tactics favored were clearly the results of training rather than weapons used. Heck the M1841 Mississippi rifle should have the worst melee rating in the game since it still used the sword bayonet which was largely proven inferior to the pike bayonet for actual bayonet combat activities (the sword bayonet was much better for cooking though) AND was rifled for Minee ball.

The 1819 is a breech loading rifle you 'tard, It's clearly not a musket or a smoothbore, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jya1R4Tyvk Every smoothbore musket used by the government was .69. the 1841 "mississipi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1841_Mississippi_rifle is what i was referring to. http://www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_1861percussion.html I guess the smithsonian is wrong, Anyway the reason i've continually pointed out is the simple fact that there's no mention of buck and ball anywhere in the game. If you're too dense to understand that it's your problem

You obviously have a mental block, read this: https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=502

Many of them were retrofitted for the Civil War for a .690 paper cartridge and percussion cap. Existing inventories were rebored and new production runs were made into smoothbore "rifles." This was common practice back in those days because it was cheaper and faster to ream out a barrel than to forge a brand new barrel and lock so old flintlock rifles were converted into smoothbore muskets because they have enough barrel meat to simply ream out the lands of the rifling and make it a common ammunition size.

And as I've continually pointed out, just because it's not mentioned in the game does not mean it was not a significant factor in real life or in the developers' decisions for game balance. It's fairly clear to everyone else but you that the developer had buck and ball in mind when balancing smoothbore muskets into the high 80s and 90s for melee rating. It is the only logical reason why those would be given such high melee ratings when the M1842s are physically identical to the M1855/1861/1863 except for one being smoothbore and the others being rifles. The only person being "a 'tard" here is you.

PS. I'm a machinist so I sort of know what I am talking about with machining a barrel.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by draqsko:

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

The 1819 is a breech loading rifle you 'tard, It's clearly not a musket or a smoothbore, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jya1R4Tyvk Every smoothbore musket used by the government was .69. the 1841 "mississipi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1841_Mississippi_rifle is what i was referring to. http://www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_1861percussion.html I guess the smithsonian is wrong, Anyway the reason i've continually pointed out is the simple fact that there's no mention of buck and ball anywhere in the game. If you're too dense to understand that it's your problem

You obviously have a mental block, read this: https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=502

Many of them were retrofitted for the Civil War for a .690 paper cartridge and percussion cap. Existing inventories were rebored and new production runs were made into smoothbore "rifles." This was common practice back in those days because it was cheaper and faster to ream out a barrel than to forge a brand new barrel and lock so old flintlock rifles were converted into smoothbore muskets because they have enough barrel meat to simply ream out the lands of the rifling and make it a common ammunition size.

And as I've continually pointed out, just because it's not mentioned in the game does not mean it was not a significant factor in real life or in the developers' decisions for game balance. It's fairly clear to everyone else but you that the developer had buck and ball in mind when balancing smoothbore muskets into the high 80s and 90s for melee rating. It is the only logical reason why those would be given such high melee ratings when the M1842s are physically identical to the M1855/1861/1863 except for one being smoothbore and the others being rifles. The only person being "a 'tard" here is you.

I'm sure the maybe >1,000 hall rifles that were maybe rebored to be smoothbore would all find their way into the private residences of confederate soldiers during the civil war, And they would muzzle load them just to confuse us.

[HB]

Originally posted by draqsko:

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

The 1819 is a breech loading rifle you 'tard, It's clearly not a musket or a smoothbore, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jya1R4Tyvk Every smoothbore musket used by the government was .69. the 1841 "mississipi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1841_Mississippi_rifle is what i was referring to. http://www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_1861percussion.html I guess the smithsonian is wrong, Anyway the reason i've continually pointed out is the simple fact that there's no mention of buck and ball anywhere in the game. If you're too dense to understand that it's your problem

You obviously have a mental block, read this: https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=502

Many of them were retrofitted for the Civil War for a .690 paper cartridge and percussion cap. Existing inventories were rebored and new production runs were made into smoothbore "rifles." This was common practice back in those days because it was cheaper and faster to ream out a barrel than to forge a brand new barrel and lock so old flintlock rifles were converted into smoothbore muskets because they have enough barrel meat to simply ream out the lands of the rifling and make it a common ammunition size.

And as I've continually pointed out, just because it's not mentioned in the game does not mean it was not a significant factor in real life or in the developers' decisions for game balance. It's fairly clear to everyone else but you that the developer had buck and ball in mind when balancing smoothbore muskets into the high 80s and 90s for melee rating. It is the only logical reason why those would be given such high melee ratings when the M1842s are physically identical to the M1855/1861/1863 except for one being smoothbore and the others being rifles. The only person being "a 'tard" here is you.

PS. I'm a machinist so I sort of know what I am talking about with machining a barrel.

you were correct the first time, OR has year by year issued make and calibre, imported and domestic production, as well as numbers held in arsenals in 1860,the 1819 was termed a musket by the ordinance dept, 25000 having been converted to 1861 muskets by 1860 and held in arsenals, 5% or so of total.

[draqsko]

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

I'm sure the maybe >1,000 hall rifles that were maybe rebored to be smoothbore would all find their way into the private residences of confederate soldiers during the civil war, And they would muzzle load them just to confuse us.

You just refuse to accept that reality is not a game and choices made for game balance and design reasons do not reflect reality.

Here's a farmers musket for sale: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/-confederate-alteration-of-a-3rd-model-brown-bess-musket-al2199-.cfm?gun_id=100894115

Too bad the game doesn't have any Union conversions of Confederate guns like this: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/-rare-linder-conversion-rifle-al2602-.cfm?gun_id=100893381

Here's an actual Richmond, notice anything in particular about it: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/confederate-civil-war-antique-richmond-musketoon.cfm?gun_id=100885728 ? It should be the worst melee weapon in the game, it lacks a bayonet mount.

And here's one that was converted before the ACW: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/scarce-antique-maynard-conversion-of-m1816-musket.cfm?gun_id=100883077 just to prove to you that conversions were a common occurence because the cost of a firearm was prohibitive. If you doubt that keep in mind this, Union soldiers could purchase the Henry rifle with their own means for $35. Those same soldiers were paid $7/month stipend, that's why many of them could not buy the weapon until 1864 when they got their re-enlistment bonus.

[HB]

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

Originally posted by hannibalbarca120002001:

Baron Larrey attributted Frenchcasualties from bayonets at 2%, increasing to 4% in a bayonet charge reulting in contact.so you answerd your question already.
Medical Surgical history of the War of the Rebellion, part1 vol 2.
12980 wnds to head all causes, sword/bayonet cause ,645, so 4.5% of total.
20,607 wnds to chest all causes, sword/bayonet cause, 933, unknown 934, so 0.18%.
4821 wnds to abdomen all causes, 114 sword/bayonet, so 2.3%
dittto legs, 0.25%.
total head/chest/abdomen wnds, 38,408 sword/bay causal agent, 4.4% total. wounds to hands feet legs are over half the total treated in the war, but contain under 200 sword/bay wounds making the gross figure appear to show little number of total wounds. triangle bayonet was designed to max out blood loss, Rorkes drift forensic examination of mass grave found over 400 zulu deaths from thrust to neck by bayonet. Wounds treated dont explain death in combat, but since 7.7 bay/sword were fatal, about half the mortality rate from gunshot, and deaths from combat and numbers treated at hospital compared, a rough number can be adduced for those killed in comba to add to those treated.
% loss for comparison.
UK Crimea 1.5, French 3
Austrians verona 2.9, montcella 9.2
French in mexico 1864, 22.3
franco prussia war 2.9.
Russia japan 2.5
black powderand it hanging close to ground for long periods can best be seen in Birth of a Nation, as the combat sceens were given over to veterans to be filmed by Grifith, who just asked them to show him what combat looked like.

Unsourced again, Sorry but no one is buying this when you can't even tell the difference between a surgical wound and a combat wound.

I know where the data is to be found, i know what it means, and i sourced it. you know neither. There are no surgical wounds in any of the medical reports, nor are all wounds, combat wounds. You have nothing to contribute.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by draqsko:

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

I'm sure the maybe >1,000 hall rifles that were maybe rebored to be smoothbore would all find their way into the private residences of confederate soldiers during the civil war, And they would muzzle load them just to confuse us.

You just refuse to accept that reality is not a game and choices made for game balance and design reasons do not reflect reality.

Here's a farmers musket for sale: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/-confederate-alteration-of-a-3rd-model-brown-bess-musket-al2199-.cfm?gun_id=100894115

Too bad the game doesn't have any Union conversions of Confederate guns like this: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/-rare-linder-conversion-rifle-al2602-.cfm?gun_id=100893381

Here's an actual Richmond, notice anything in particular about it: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/confederate-civil-war-antique-richmond-musketoon.cfm?gun_id=100885728 ? It should be the worst melee weapon in the game, it lacks a bayonet mount.

And here's one that was converted before the ACW: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/civil-war-rifles/scarce-antique-maynard-conversion-of-m1816-musket.cfm?gun_id=100883077 just to prove to you that conversions were a common occurence because the cost of a firearm was prohibitive. If you doubt that keep in mind this, Union soldiers could purchase the Henry rifle with their own means for $35. Those same soldiers were paid $7/month stipend, that's why many of them could not buy the weapon until 1864 when they got their re-enlistment bonus.

How would u rebore a .69 caliber brown bess to make a rebored farmer?

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by hannibalbarca120002001:

Originally posted by Milf + Loli Incest Hentai Doujin:

Unsourced again, Sorry but no one is buying this when you can't even tell the difference between a surgical wound and a combat wound.

I know where the data is to be found, i know what it means. you know neither. There are no surgical wounds in any of the medical reports, nor are all wounds, combat wounds. You have nothing to contribute.

I'm guessing from your reluctance to back up any of your claims, Your source is the same place the diarrhea from your diet of chicken chips and Reese's cups comes out of? The only thing you contribute to this discussion is someone for me to mock because of your stereotypical and factually bankrupt claims about warfare, Like a 7 year old who thinks the jedi are "honorable" cause they use swords instead of guns. The only way you'd manage to get a number of bayonet wounds that high, Is if you went fully autistic and started shanking people in your local strip mall parking lot with a reproduction 1853 enfield bayonet.