for the love of Shoji Kawamori when will we even get a proper Macross game Y_Y

[Algester]

ACE exists but... FROM SOFTWARE.... I need muh Itano circus

[Algester]

I'll even finish the game with only Shinden

[cyäegha]

when harmony gold stops frivolously litigating against studio nue over licenses they don't legally own; you'd think that kerfuffle wouldn't affect domestic distribution but boy-howdy does harmony gold try
granted, PGI took them down a peg with the whole 'unseen' debacle, and big west have since pledged to release macross outside japan... but lord knows if that'll ever eventuate to anything

i'd hedge bets that whatever settlement PGI reached with harmony gold covers the depiction of the macross-derived 'unseen' battlemechs and their reseen redesigns in videogames only in the context of properties leased from catalyst game labs (battletech and mechwarrior)
it's plausible given that recent SRW titles have been excluding macross... and i don't believe for a second that it has anything to do with kawamori being 'too expensive' for scamco

[Algester]

but harmony gold wouldnt stop any JP game company to make a Macross game now would it??? since its technically going to be region locked in Japan no???????

[King Fossil]

It'd be pretty hard to get right. A plane game which is also a giant robot game. Pretty hard to do that well.

[Algester]

ironically the last macross game I played was Macross Plus but for a SRW-lite with Macross would be ACE on the PSP (I didnt play the PS3 version)

[M.G.O]

Originally posted by Algester:

ironically the last macross game I played was Macross Plus but for a SRW-lite with Macross would be ACE on the PSP (I didnt play the PS3 version)

That PS3 ACE:R is the only FROMSOFT game I'm aware with Nine-ball Seraph in its own albiet lame 40 minute slog of a secret mission.

[cyäegha]

Originally posted by Algester:

but harmony gold wouldnt stop any JP game company to make a Macross game now would it???

that's what i mean when i specify studio nue rather than big west
yes, harmony gold have gone through american courts to screw over a japanese property, but would you believe the american courts upheld the decision?
initially, anyway, post-PGI it's a bit of a different story

you would think that a foreign licensing issue shouldn't impact domestic distribution, but it has historically due to the unseen issues, whereby harmony gold were claimant to studio nue's designs in their totality
of course, they didn't actually own them, but merely claiming that they did was enough to cause years of copyright turmoil not only internationally, but domestically as well

this is why "♥♥♥♥ harmony gold" is such a common sentiment

[Algester]

or are we just going to put Armored Core and Macross IP into the forgotten gaming archives.... Y_Y even Daemon x Machina has uncertainty if its just a one off IP or will there be anything else to it (all of them has Shoji Kawamori in it)

Originally posted by cyäegha:

Originally posted by Algester:

but harmony gold wouldnt stop any JP game company to make a Macross game now would it???

that's what i mean when i specify studio nue rather than big west
yes, harmony gold have gone through american courts to screw over a japanese property, but would you believe the american courts upheld the decision?
initially, anyway, post-PGI it's a bit of a different story

you would think that a foreign licensing issue shouldn't impact domestic distribution, but it has historically due to the unseen issues, whereby harmony gold were claimant to studio nue's designs in their totality
of course, they didn't actually own them, but merely claiming that they did was enough to cause years of copyright turmoil not only internationally, but domestically as well

this is why "♥♥♥♥ harmony gold" is such a common sentiment

that didnt stop ACE:R being released on the PS3 though... I mean sure a Macross Delta theme game is more apt for it being an Idol rhythm game... hence smartphone deculture exists.... but...

Originally posted by M.G.O:

Originally posted by Algester:

ironically the last macross game I played was Macross Plus but for a SRW-lite with Macross would be ACE on the PSP (I didnt play the PS3 version)

That PS3 ACE:R is the only FROMSOFT game I'm aware with Nine-ball Seraph in its own albiet lame 40 minute slog of a secret mission.

I wouldnt want to imagine fighting Nineball-seraph as a fully fledge NEXT with some 3rd Gen AC mechanics (imagine Rayleonard going ham instead of making the Aretha they made Seraph's load out into full Kojima weaponry) or even in Armored Souls Verdict Day but.... I'm up for it

[cyäegha]

Originally posted by Algester:

that didnt stop ACE:R being released on the PS3 though... I mean sure a Macross Delta theme game is more apt for it being an Idol rhythm game... hence smartphone deculture exists.... but...

oh, no, of course not

'hard' doesn't always mean it's outright impossible by any means, just that it's a function of outweighing the costs of licensing and the risk to capital should harmony gold historically have decided to push the issue
domestically, anyway; internationally was obviously a much, much bigger ordeal, and ACE managed to slip through before harmony gold sought to pursue another robotech game release, which didn't eventuate in the end... because of course it didn't
harmony gold doesn't ever do anything with the licenses it squats on, it just spites everyone by making sure other people can't either

the thing that harmony gold latched onto the firmest were the likenesses of the 'mecha moreso than the licenses themselves, which as i've mentioned they didn't even actually own, which stems from an aborted deal with big west; that same era of dealing cards you don't own is what led to the 30-year dispute between harmony gold and FASA, the end result of which led to macross being more-or-less forgotten in the west and battletech butchered

don't quote me on this, but i don't know whether harmony gold and studio nue ever actually settled; the unseen designs in relation to battletech / mechwarrior are legally in the clear, but i'm not entirely sure if that extends to all print mediums

[Copy & Cat]

A bit unrelated but there is very fun macross game for the snes called Scramble valkyrie

[Lavian]

Wait, so you played ACE Portable but not any of the Artdink Macross games (Ace Frontier, Ultimate Frontier, Triangle Frontier, 30, Delta Scramble, plus the PS3 games that came packaged with some movies)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3gTXzsDRBg

Strictly Macross titles aside, Strike Suit Zero is a space combat game where the Itano Circus was definitely in mind with the Strike Suit, which is outright armed with "MTAM Circus" missiles (I don't recommend using it's missiles in a circus blast most of the time though), and the final super plane in Project Wingman has an Itano Circus style micro-missile burst weapon.

As far as Harmony Gold is concerned, the disputes they've had about Macross have dated back for decades, and Macross has kept chugging along as a franchise in Japan, with the Macross Delta movie coming out in 2018 (the previous game featuring playing using Valkyries, Macross Delta Scramble for the PS Vita, was 2016). As far as I understand, the
legal disputes have long been pretty much just about international distribution and imagery rights, so Macross as a series has continued producing new content, but without aims of international distribution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross#Legal_complications_with_international_distribution

That said, Big West and Harmony Gold have reportedly come to an agreement in 2021, so we should be seeing Macross internationally again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony_Gold_USA#Legal_issues_regarding_Macross_copyright

[RIP BandaiNamco]

I wIsH iT nOt fRoM pA sInCe tHeY mAkE iT aNoThEr pAy tO wIn ♥♥♥♥
-Fomin

[Lord Rizzington of Mewingville]

macross plus was insane, if they had a spinoff game in that setting with that artstyle i would buy immediately. that being said, i've seen vids of the ps1 or ps2 game and always thought it looked pretty cool.

[Niv]

imo the closest macross-like game we can have is actually Strike Suit Zero.

[Algester]

Well AC just got announced... sigh... time to play AC with the Shinden 2 just to celebrate AC finally being ressurected