su 57

[TheDancingPig]

used to be a big fan of the SU 37 Terminator, however after playing the SU 57 man what a jet! moves so good and looks great to! while I still think the su 37 is great the 57 just seems to be so much better in every way. Would you guys think it's better than the f22 raptor?

[OneNonconstructiveUser]

Originally posted by Dancing Pig:

Would you guys think it's better than the f22 raptor?

INGAME spec, maybe. IRL spec, not really.

[Rhino Piteck [AI]]

ah, you are provoking me lol,
me, my only god in this universe, is the SU47 !!

nervous as sh**t , so in dogfights nothing better
plus the electronics on board ...

[OneNonconstructiveUser]

Originally posted by T-Rex X-press:

ah, you are provoking me lol,
me, my only god in this universe, is the SU47 !!

nervous as sh**t , so in dogfights nothing better
plus the electronics on board ...

Sounds as if irl modern craft would go on dogfight frequently like Ace Combat.

[Useless Bunny]

You mean IRL? The SU57 barely flies for all we know.

[Lack of Stuff]

They are almost the same in terms of performance so you just pick whichever special weapons you prefer. The SU-57 wins out for me because Pulse lasers are ridiculous but there's definitely a case for QAAMs and the small diameter bombs.

[TheDancingPig]

Originally posted by Lack of Stuff:

They are almost the same in terms of performance so you just pick whichever special weapons you prefer. The SU-57 wins out for me because Pulse lasers are ridiculous but there's definitely a case for QAAMs and the small diameter bombs.

quite a big fan of it's secondary, gets the job done and reliable

Originally posted by T-Rex X-press:

ah, you are provoking me lol,
me, my only god in this universe, is the SU47 !!

nervous as sh**t , so in dogfights nothing better
plus the electronics on board ...

I never flew the su 47, didn't grab my attention like the su-37 and now su 57 but I might actually give it a try.

[Rhino Piteck [AI]]

nah, guys, sorry, the SU47 a whole different beast, for equipement, yes ... we are on the same plane, but the fuselage design is another thing, "reverse shaped" wings, makes it extremply nervous, I bet its production stopped because of the Gs it puts on pilots, try it on a "good" game you will see, with it you almost reinvent "drifting" in the jets combat universe ... ;), personally way back in HAWX2 , I used to make a whole squadron of AI pilots hang/bug !! so quickly I was changing trajectories and directions ... as soon as I unlock it in ACE C7 , I will tell you more about it :)
Cheers

[paomayo]

Originally posted by T-Rex X-press:

I bet its production stopped because of the Gs it puts on pilots

That's not the real problem why FSW planes aren"t mass-produced. There is the thing called aeroelasticity.

[Naruto 607]

Originally posted by paomayo:

That's not the real problem why FSW planes aren't mass-produced. There is the thing called aeroelasticity.

"Aeroelasticity"? You mean, things like fly-by-wire system or "wingflex" like in aviation videos I watched? I once saw Su-47 taking off in an old YouTube video somewhere long ago. Yes, it can fly, but for demo purposes, which its tech can be used for day-to-day, mass-produced planes, just like Su-37 I read somewhere in Wikipedia or so (its tech are used in Su-35).

Also, what the heck is "FSW"? "Flight Simulator Wing"?

[cyäegha]

"forward swept wings"

[King Fossil]

Firkin looks cool but there's a reason why nobody seriously considers forward swept wings for their fighters. Even if it looks really cool.

[RIP BandaiNamco]

Why so complicated? It's quite simple why Russia cancelled Su-47; the US made F-22 and they needed stealth aircraft rather than super maneuverable one.

[Rhino Piteck [AI]]

yes it is a very hard technology to master, because of the specifications of the materials/matter: hardness and torsion coefficients,
but trust me there is the human factor in that too, at a certain point, it is useless to spend tons of money to have the perfect fuselage strengtht/torsion capacity when the humain been cannot technically use it at its full "capacity", this kind of body/shape, makes it extremely maneuvrable , even too much that is, that the Gs are scientifically impossible to handle by a humain body, which has nothig to do with the skills of the pilot, as you know even Rambo's skin cannot sustain a lit match, it will burn as any other organic material ... ;)
Thus , I let you know, that Surkoï dropped the project because of the Budget ;)
no money or not worth it ... ? I donno :p

Cheers

[Rhino Piteck [AI]]

Originally posted by paomayo:

Originally posted by T-Rex X-press:

I bet its production stopped because of the Gs it puts on pilots

That's not the real problem why FSW planes aren"t mass-produced. There is the thing called aeroelasticity.

and BTW, this design is beeing used since WW2 ;) so trust me, it is not experimentall at all.

[cyäegha]

and just why do you suppose the Ki-43 is the only mass-produced fighter aircraft to date that has a forward-swept configuration?
every other experimental type produced in the entire history of aviation as we know it has been cancelled, and not without good reason

and it has nothing to do with budgetary concerns; the SU-47 was cancelled because the dissolution of the USSR meant the OKB contract that was funding it was torn up, and sukhoi had little to gain by continuing to fund its development out-of-pocket, not because it was inherently substantially more expensive by virtue of its geometry
the berkut was demonstrating other cutting-edge (for the time) technologies, not just FSW

FSW configurations are just simply too fragile and unstable to justify the supermanueverability they provide in the current envelope of engagement, especially when similar agility can be achieved through thrust-vectoring, which can also be fitted to stealth-oriented airframes with little sacrifice to their overall performance unlike FSW