ACE COMBAT™7: SKIES UNKNOWN

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Julius_213 2020 年 12 月 1 日 下午 1:38
This or Project Wingman ?
is this game like HAWKS ? can i play it with Keyboard and mouse (Fire with mouse and control airplain ?)
is this better than the new game Project wingman or ?
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FreddieForever#1 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 6:47 
引用自 Grulemugg
AC7 for PC is just plain awful. It is malware that can damage your PC thanks to Denuvo and it is a total ripoff. AC is a pure 1:1 port of the console game. Play it on XBOX with Game Pass, don't buy it and don't play it on PC!

Go with Star Wars: Squadrons, House of the Dying Sun, Overload and Project Wingman.
Those are awesome PC VR games.
Oh boy, the whole gang is gathering!

>cites examples of "good games"
>they are all VR oriented
lmao. You guys don't even try to hide it.

引用自 FreddieForever#1
Whats so hard to believe? lmao
People already exposed you man, you can say whatever you want, you don't own the game.

Also here, a common example of the GREAT EXPLOSIONS in Project Wingman as you say: https://imgur.com/a/qCXPgRK

Look at those sick 2D animated walls! This is on max graphics settings by the way. Almost as good as the great animations when you get shot down, where your missile warning keeps beeping even after you're dead and you plane goes out drifting in the air locked in the same animation it was at the moment of death.

You can like whatever game you like, I just want to you not say things that aren't actually true and admit the flaws it has instead of going in this stupid grudge fueled crusade.
Explosed what? i have both games and PW is better, simple as that.
Mobius Gang 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 8:13 
They're both great games. If you can, get both. If not, then get Project Wingman since it's a lot cheaper than AC7 at the moment.
Naruto 607 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 9:28 
Here we go again with the Ace Combat versus other flight action games. :steamfacepalm:

And it's getting spicier too. I'd rather play both and forget that you guys argue like you have nothing to lose on PW. My hours spent on this game is no more than skin mods, the best replay value I have. And I better hope PW has that.
TheSha 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 10:27 
Project wingman has much more replayability thanks to conquest mode, and it's cheaper
最後修改者:TheSha; 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 10:27
T-Bone Biggins 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 11:11 
引用自 Naruto 607
Here we go again with the Ace Combat versus other flight action games. :steamfacepalm:

And it's getting spicier too. I'd rather play both and forget that you guys argue like you have nothing to lose on PW. My hours spent on this game is no more than skin mods, the best replay value I have. And I better hope PW has that.
I'd agree with other guys, if you don't have either PW is where it's at. I caught AC7 on sale a tad over a month ago and still find myself playing PW more but that may be down to personal preferences. PW seems like an indie title that punches above it's weight, AC7 is a AAA series title that played it a little too safe and didn't leave that "wow factor". Plus replayability with conquest mode in PW, AC7 has you just playing the same missions over and over once you get through it all.
Useless Bunny 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 11:40 
引用自 HunterNXJ
Guess what those things weren't a thing in those games. Amazing right?! Oh you knew that. You were just being willfully disingenuous. What? You are saying that because those didn't have it AC7 shouldn't either? Guess again. AH had it (save for vr) so why are we purposefully regressing?
Not what I was insinuating at all, lmao. I just pointed out you said AC7 was bad because it lacks those things and you also tell people to play the "actual good games" but they also don't have those things, I was merely pointing out your statement is not even connected properly.

引用自 HunterNXJ
Let's talk about VR. Why do i harp on VR? Because PA did it on the play station but they couldn't be bothered to put in the effort for pc.
Don't use it, don't care about it. 2% of steam users can run VR, first world issues, etc.

引用自 HunterNXJ
You fanboys and your hivemind never cease to disappoint me.
Hurr durr fanboys. I freaking love how you clowns always miss the parts where I say ace combat has flaws and also forget (or don't read at all, which would be unsurprising) the comments I talk about what the game lacks.

引用自 HunterNXJ
Not connected to what i'm trying to convince? Don't pretend that you and i haven't had this argument. POST GAME CONTENT.
There is post game content, you just didn't partake in it. I thought we already had that clear by now. Here, I'll chew it down more for you: consider that a player is not interested in Conquest mode in PW, does that mean he can go around saying PW has no post-game content? Of course not but that's what you are doing.

引用自 HunterNXJ
AC7 is a pile of filth. Considering all the prior entries, 7 is absolute garbage.
You forgetting AH or something? AC7 has everything the ever golden "HOLY TRINITY" has. Too much hatred, buddy.

引用自 HunterNXJ
Ignore what the fanboy hivemind says, go play some better AC entries. If you want a good contemporary replacement, go for PW. I pinned all my hopes on it and by Pixy, it delivered.
You mean the great games that lack all the 3 points you mentioned as what makes PW better? Hahaha, you are doing it again, buddy! Com on now! You can say those games are better but now with the argumentation you made before, can't be that hard to understand.

引用自 HunterNXJ
I don't care if he doesn't own it, i'll just buy one for him now. I don't mind giving a copy of the game to someone because ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just succeeded where AC7 purposefully failed due to its laziness and greed.
Blah blah blah. The point is about someone making statements of something they don't even own or play. That's just it, no one cares about you buying anyone anything, it's a matter of logic.

引用自 HunterNXJ
Lol *takes a random picture of god knows what cropped and zoomed*. Guess what this is a video game not a painting, where's the video to see what really happens? I've seen worse in AC7.
It's not cropped and zoomed, it's the death "explosions" when you die. Go ahead and try it out yourself, lol.

引用自 HunterNXJ
Oh and yeah the plane model in PW is sharper than AC7 by far. I play on my higher than average resolution monitor and inspected them both closely. Also you don't see too many buildings just painted on the ground like in AC7. What is this 2010?
The level of detail as whole is pretty much about the same, PW uses a different color settings in several maps that makes things look better though. The trees and similar objects all look terrible when you get close to them and that's not really different in AC7. Just yesterday I was taking off in PW and could see all the trees around me with clear 2D images put together at different angles. Like the fires I showed in that picture.

引用自 HunterNXJ
*Brings up bugs from the first week pretending that AC7 didn't have any*. Okay buddy.
Those aren't bugs and ace combat really didn't have any of the 2 things I mentioned. Also here's another bug/bad coded thing for you to try out yourself: do you know the first target in the first mission? The buoy? I flew too close to it while gunning it down and my plane crashed onto it but didn't explode, it just kept thrusting against the buoy and after 10 seconds of running against a wall it finally exploded. There was never something like that in Ace Combat so don't bring up "hurr durr bugs were there too" garbage.

And look, I'll not grill the PW team for little things like that, I don't really care that the plane drifts in locked animations or that little buoy bug, I'm aware it's a small team and I not gonna nit pick on that, but when I see people who are butthurt to the extreme like you in here on a stupid and false crusade spewing out nonsense, I can't stay quiet, you're not being fair.


引用自 HunterNXJ
Edit: Forgot to clarify response to multiplayer
Yeah AC7 has dead multiplayer as post game content while PW has conquest as post game content. Your point?
Already replied that to you in another thread. Conquest mode eventually will get as boring as repeating the missions in Ace Combat, sure will take longer since you spice things up at will with increased difficulty manners but can't last forever. Also Ace Combat's multiplayer never really was DEAD, it always had low population and there were times where you couldn't get a match immediately but that doesn't mean dead, don't make me bring up the good old statistics chart again, as I often do.

Conquest mode is a good thing and what I want is for PW to have multiplayer and Ace Combat to also have more content, I'm not an angry butthurt person like you are. I can see the good and bads on both sides because I'm not too angry about MUH VR and whatnot.
最後修改者:Useless Bunny; 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 11:44
Useless Bunny 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 11:42 
引用自 TheSha
Project wingman has much more replayability thanks to conquest mode, and it's cheaper
Only if you just play single player. The pricing really is much better though, despite the game lacking a bunch of valueable elements to a single player experience such as cut scenes, dramatic intro and moments during missions, etc.
T-Bone Biggins 2020 年 12 月 4 日 上午 11:53 
引用自 TheSha
Project wingman has much more replayability thanks to conquest mode, and it's cheaper
Only if you just play single player. The pricing really is much better though, despite the game lacking a bunch of valueable elements to a single player experience such as cut scenes, dramatic intro and moments during missions, etc.
I actually like it's story much better. It's not trying to be a Japanese Anime epic, it's straight up. The build up about Cascadia and the Federation was much better than I thought after people saying the story wasn't the strong point, it's actually quite solid military sci-fi. Also cool how your mercenary group travels in a flying caravan and punches across a border with one of the flights giving cover so you all can land at a temp strip your employer set up, then next mission you take an airbase to work out of. It's done proper and with continuity.
Grulemugg 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 12:48 
AC7 is a pure console game.

It is designed to run on a big screen 16:9 60 Hz TV and to be played with a gamepad.
The PC version adds no value. There is nothing the PC version has over the console.

Games like this should not exist on the PC platform, they are trash that is pollution to the PC ecosystem. This is cash grabbing of the highest order with absolutely no effort dedicated to the PC platform. If we get more games like this for the PC, we can call it a day, save the money for the 1.200€ RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards, stick to Word, Excel and PowerPoint and get a 500€ XBOX/PS5 for gaming.
最後修改者:Grulemugg; 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 12:49
President Jyrgunkarrd 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 1:35 
I'll do my best to contrast the two:

In terms of pretty, no arcade air combat game comes close to what Ace Combat offers - and Project Wingman is no exception. Ace Combat's aircraft models are second to nothing, the landscapes look gorgeous, the explosions are fantastic, the skies fill with contrails; Project Wingman competes in terms of the VFX, but the plan models - while good - are not as clean and detailed as Ace Combat's.

Ace Combat excels in delivering character and just fun little atmosphere-driving details. A flock of parrots fly overhead as you take-off from the runway; the remnants of old beach parties litter shorelines; AFBs look like they're in use (even if the effect is purely illusory). The world feels alive. Project Wingman lacks this sense of character, but does not feel as sterile and charmless as something like HAWX. That being said, Ace Combat sometimes shoots itself in the foot with dumb crap like interceptor aircraft that vertically take-off like rocket ships from AFBs during missions rather than rolling down the runway, denying both a sense of immersion and a fun gameplay element (that of trying to pick-off bandits before they can get airborne); Project Wingman's world, by contrast, always feels like it is adhering to its own rules.

Ace Combat's UI is old and terrible. None of what you might expect from a modern arcade air combat game is here - the target cycling is just trash and features no discrete selection mechanics (mash the target cycling button and hope to find what you are looking for), including just jaw-dropping feature omissions (you cannot target aircraft that the landed on the ground or rolling down a runway with guided ground attack weapons. You have to get them with dumbfire weapons or switch to AtA or Joint-Strike munitions). Project Wingman feels like you're playing with a full deck in this department; it is by no means the most feature-rich UI ever, but everything that you'd expect to be here is here. And my goodness, there is just no comparing the loadout UI of Project Wingman to that of Ace Combat - you can just smell those awful vestigial console elements from the next room over.

In terms of the gameplay...

It hurts me to say this, but Ace Combat just feels so old and outdated. The charm and the amazing visuals try very, very hard to carry it, but there's only so much they can do. The auto-fail stealth missions, the missions where the real OpFor is the game itself as it denies you access to avionics & your (already really limited) UI, the 'annihilation' missions that should have been amazing but are let down by said UI's lack of target discretion & a very stingy mission timer that kills the fun, the lack of granular / interesting difficulty settings, the joy of fighting against a buffet of modern aircraft being poisoned by the game flooding the OpFor with fictional and uninspired UAVs, the tacked-on countermeasures that do seem to do absolutely nothing, and finally the absolutely unforgivable failure of Ace Combat to actually implement fun dogfighting vs ace opponents. I am done with fighting against planes that adhere to absolutely no flight model whatsoever, and Ace Combat 7 is easily the worst installment in terms of this crap, to the point where some ace opponents will literally just warp around in the sky right in front of you. What happened to the old dogfights against Yellow Squadron? Those at least were fun, even if the enemy planes acted a bit UFO-ish and they had plot armour. Now the franchise just won't even let you dogfight against its invincible antagonists whatsoever.

So many games have done this right that lessons could be taken from. Even HAWX, for all of its many faults, did this one crucial thing so very well by comparison. Ace Combat now fails to be a game about engaging in combat against aces. :(

Project Wingman feels like Ace Combat 4. It hasn't got the bells and whistles I would've hoped for, it doesn't put its own interesting spin on air combat, it is by no means fancy - but it is fun, it feels fair and immersive, and the dumb garbage is largely absent. The game understands that you want to fly around in a plane and blow stuff up, and it delivers. It understands that while turning fights against opponents can be satisfying, there is a limit to the amount of fun to be had in said turning fights and so makes them relatively quick and decisive.


Do you want a game that is extremely gorgeous and fun for about 3-4 missions, at a $70-80 price tag? Go pick up Ace Combat 7 if so. Do you want a game that looks perfectly fine and is extremely enjoyable for well over 20 missions, at a $20-30 price tag? Go pick up Project Wingman.
ToJKa 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 3:45 
引用自 T-Bone Biggins
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It's not trying to be a Japanese Anime epic

Well just wait until you see the final boss :steammocking:


PW was almost fun for a while, but since the AI can't do anything but fly in circles, they had to make it difficult by making everything missiles. And make bosses fire everything, everywhere, all the time.

One playtrough was enough of that for me.

Can't believe something made me think that Edgy and Whiny are good fights :steamhappy:
Useless Bunny 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 5:10 
引用自 T-Bone Biggins
I actually like it's story much better. It's not trying to be a Japanese Anime epic, it's straight up. The build up about Cascadia and the Federation was much better than I thought after people saying the story wasn't the strong point, it's actually quite solid military sci-fi. Also cool how your mercenary group travels in a flying caravan and punches across a border with one of the flights giving cover so you all can land at a temp strip your employer set up, then next mission you take an airbase to work out of. It's done proper and with continuity.
I didn't compare both stories, I just said one game is lacking a few elements that contribute a lot to the experience. Like when I meet a special enemy squadron in PW and there's no intro, no special treatment or anything. It's just yet another wave of enemy reinforcements with a text in the middle of the screen for 2 seconds. I don't know why they didn't add that kind of thing in the game, I suppose it's not that complicated but I might be just wrong.

引用自 Grulemugg
Games like this should not exist on the PC platform, they are trash that is pollution to the PC ecosystem. This is cash grabbing of the highest order with absolutely no effort dedicated to the PC platform. If we get more games like this for the PC, we can call it a day, save the money for the 1.200€ RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards, stick to Word, Excel and PowerPoint and get a 500€ XBOX/PS5 for gaming.
What a ridiculous statement. I can't believe we need to yet again remind you that only a terribly small % of steam users have the meme resolutions you treat like the holy grail. Saying that is the reason why such games shouldn't be on PC is outrageous. I see you didn't learn anything ever since your last tantrum in here. The very least you could do is not come back to repeat the same ridiculous behavior.
Useless Bunny 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 5:11 
引用自 ToJKa
PW was almost fun for a while, but since the AI can't do anything but fly in circles, they had to make it difficult by making everything missiles. And make bosses fire everything, everywhere, all the time.
The AI is definitely better than AC7's. Despite the lack of high-g which kind cripples your movement compared to AC7, I really feel like I get a harder time against PW's AI.
Naruto 607 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 6:49 
引用自 Grulemugg
AC7 is a pure console game.

It is designed to run on a big screen 16:9 60 Hz TV and to be played with a gamepad.
The PC version adds no value. There is nothing the PC version has over the console.

Games like this should not exist on the PC platform, they are trash that is pollution to the PC ecosystem. This is cash grabbing of the highest order with absolutely no effort dedicated to the PC platform. If we get more games like this for the PC, we can call it a day, save the money for the 1.200€ RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards, stick to Word, Excel and PowerPoint and get a 500€ XBOX/PS5 for gaming.
NO THANKS!

Have you forgotten the other games already? Just look at guys hating GTA V re-released again in PS5 and the what-so-called scalpers. Yeah. Scalping to get others scammed.

I love enjoying using office tools but NO I wouldn't afford that overpriced GPU unless one's getting a job.

Better upgrade the PC for other games when needed than buying a console. Who knows when PS6 or new XBox (series Z or whatever) will be released and we're buying that ♥♥♥♥ again to enjoy MORE games?
Naruto 607 2020 年 12 月 4 日 下午 7:05 
Well, I understand those are lacking by any chance, but yeah, despite being classic yet glorified AC game, this game is way too easy. We miss that "Ace difficulty OHKO" in this installment like how Dark Souls or whatever is supposed to be. However, what makes me come back again is skin mods and creating Machinima videos or smth. Old ones need more complicated tools to mod it entirely. Eventually, I may as well move on to other games that are more enjoyable than not just depending on this quite expensive game I got on my birthday in 2019.

引用自 ToJKa
PW was almost fun for a while, but since the AI can't do anything but fly in circles, they had to make it difficult by making everything missiles. And make bosses fire everything, everywhere, all the time.
The AI is definitely better than AC7's. Despite the lack of high-g which kind cripples your movement compared to AC7, I really feel like I get a harder time against PW's AI.
I think there's something called AoA (De)Limiter that allows PSM in a press of a button, but that will be exchanged with the flares (you can do PSM but you can't use flares). I've seen some walkthroughs on YouTube.
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