how come ac6 a 13yo game had more modes and coop?

[KingNigelFarage]

honestly its a joke, ac6 had more mp modes and 4 player coop, the game had a loyal following with busy multiplayer for years. no wonder ac7 is dead already, the multiplayer gets boring real fast!
also ac6 had modes for 16 players, seriously how can a sequal with a 13yr gap release with less features???
dont want to hear a load of replies reviewing its campaign, my thread isnt about that, its about its much richer multiplayer that kept fans interested for years.

[628]

1. PA bulit AC7 in a brand new game engine for them to enhance the graphics and game gimmicks, which they thought was not likely achieved with the in-house engine.
2. PA HAD CONSIDERED implementing AI units on Multiplayer and things hadn't gone well because of the difference of engine, according to Ace Combat Fan having an interview with Kono.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwrnCYjPUPs
3. You could demand the refund as soon as you noticed the MP was crap.

[Flori281]

very new to the series, kinda sad multi isn't all that but the game is really fun as you start getting the hang of it. We can hope for an AC8 with better multiplayer i guess. Or maybe modders can save us during the downtime

[OLLY]

lazy devs looking for easy money

[Useless Bunny]

Go have yourself an adventure exploring the dozens and dozens of past threads that already talked about this topic.

[Det.Bullock]

Because current gen games require much more work to do overall and probably the budget stayed largely the same hence they had to ditch a lot of things.
Also the different engine probably required them to relearn how to do stuff from scratch.
The game overall is remarkably similar to Ace Combat 4 feature and gameplay-wise, probably given the above issues and that a decade had passed since the last one they decided that going back to basic was the least problematic decision. Especially considering that other than 6 the only other recent game in the series was the much loathed Assault Horizon that tried to make the gameplay even more arcade than it already is so going back to basics was the safest option in light of that.

[Eclipse]

引用自 OLLY：

lazy devs looking for easy money

more likely greedy publishers and management cutting the project as soon as it was playable.

but lets blame the devs.

[Grulemugg]

Because they focus on DLCs to rip-off little kids, not real features.

[Useless Bunny]

引用自 Grulemugg：

Because they focus on DLCs to rip-off little kids, not real features.

Pls stop Grulemugg. You come back here to get salty every week or so, we're worried for your well being. Just forget about this game already, focus on positive things. :(

[Useless Bunny]

引用自 OLLY：

引用自 Eclipse：

more likely greedy publishers and management cutting the project as soon as it was playable.

but lets blame the devs.

sure buudy, keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night :lunar2019laughingpig:

I don't think you really understand how the industry works if you think devs are really responsible for this, lol. Then again, all of you guys who think like that don't even know how the development journey of the game was like, even though it's documented, so it's not surprising you think the way you do.

[Autz]

This game had a troubled development, no surprise it ended up like this. Also, is the MP dead?

[Useless Bunny]

引用自 Autz：

This game had a troubled development, no surprise it ended up like this. Also, is the MP dead?

Not really dead but it always had a low population. I was on the other day and had no trouble finding a room, though there were just a couple. A lot of times you don't see any rooms because they have hot-join disabled, so the lobby doesn't show up until the match is over.

[Useless Bunny]

引用自 OLLY：

At this point im wondering if you are employed by namco, you sound Exactly like one of the paid community reps from say ubisoft that engage with the forums and they get defensive after someone leaves a comment they dont like.

I hear that a lot when you guys can't bring up any arguments to the table, yeah. "If they don't agree with me, they are a paid employee shill fanboy", same as usual.

引用自 OLLY：

My comment still absolutely stands and you havent really brought anything forward to change my mind its just your opinion essentially.

I'm not here to change your opinion, I'm just pointing out how silly your points look like. I seriously hope with all my heart that you don't buy the next game, no kidding.

引用自 OLLY：

There are a couple notable things in the old AC that havent even been brought into the new one like being able to command teammates which i really liked and found immersive and they say but "we want YOU to feel like a badass" yea im a baddass as everyone else is flying like they are 90 years old.

I agree that the AI is bad, I always say that, but the AI has ALWAYS been bad. Every single enemy in any ace combat game behaves like an idiot or is protected by artificial armor. And do you know why it has to be that away? Because the vast majority of players are unskilled casuals, this isn't Bloodborne, Dark Souls or Sekiro.

I also wish we had more control over the battlefield. Too bad the wingmen mechanic was in practice freaking useless since, guess what, the AI was bad!

Cover me? Well too bad you guys move so slowly that you're always far behind.
Attack? You mean to attack the enemies IN FRONT OF ME? When your bad AI and crappy values can bring down an enemy every 5 minutes? Hahaha. Yeah sure, I'll just stare at the targets instead of taking them down myself.
Spread? Have fun as they down 2 targets the entire mission.
Use SP weapon? As if it would make any difference, lol.

In the end, the wingmen mechanic was just a roleplaying factor and if you need roleplay in your game then, well, just use your imagination.

引用自 OLLY：

The magic dogfights with the mr X and some "bosses" in AC7 and their crazy missile dodging abilities further proves my point that they cant or couldnt be bothered to programme an effective or at least believable AI with their current team.

Now that begs the question: What good AI? Please cite an example of a proper AI behavior that was also challenging and fun. We'll be waiting.

引用自 OLLY：

Thanks for advising me what to spend my money on but as you havent really brought anything to this discussion i wont be taking any advice whatsoever from you, let alone about money.

Again, not here to change your mind, you're quite narcissist to think like that, huh? No one is here to serve you or help you or convince you. Besides, I've been active here from the start, after a while it gets tiresome to have the same old discussions with the new uninformed people which you clearly seem to be one of, since you consider the whole development of the game, which was almost axed by Namco as "laziness lol".

引用自 OLLY：

That being said the other games namco do are pretty ♥♥♥♥ or for kids however if they do release another AC game il probably buy it for a tenner from a good keysite as thats what this game is worth. I am a big fan of the old ACs and this game is not up to the standard of the "holy trinity". take care

And there it is again: "I hate it, but will buy again" Lmao, you guys are the best costumers any developer could ever wish for! Imagine if Ace Combat had some kind of gacha element to it, you guys would have such great whale potential. This is exactly why I told you to not support their bad product in the future, it's only logical... well, at least it should be. Also, let's keep waiting for the great examples the HOLY TRINITY has to offer us that clearly show how much of a better game they were. Can't wait to hear about how your useless wingmen were awesome and Pixy was a monster of an ally and every boss was not just protected by plot armor or anything like that or how those games had all your favorite planes and weaponry.

引用自 OLLY：

before i leave and let you stew in your fanboyism, as for the updates emblems and skins AMAZING :lunar2019laughingpig:

Trying to see where is the argument here but I can't.

[628]

引用自 OLLY：

before i leave and let you stew in your fanboyism, as for the updates emblems and skins AMAZING

We just feel wrong for people accusing the devs/the publishers/anybody concerned of everything, without proper background information. You assume that fanboying? So be it. We just never understand each other. Enjoy your rage and never bother Bamco stuff again.

[628]

引用自 OLLY：

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Just demand refund. Convince Bamco and PA via mail or something. They will want to listen to your super helpful feedback.

[=7Cav=SPC.Yaeger.C]

Just joining in for funzies. I never played six(no 360 to play it *sad face*) so I have no reference. I wish they had more features for MP. My friend and me wished we could do Co-op or something. But I love Ace Combat, and I'll fanboy about the series all year long with people. I enjoy the stories of the games and hope they make more games exploring Stranegreal. The MP on AC7 is just a bonus, even if shallow.