Stonehenge Defensive Impossible (guns only)

[Secondhand Samurai]

I've tried several times to beat this mission only using my machine gun. Everything goes fine until right up at the end when they do that stupid countdown and I have to sit there and listen to them yap while the drones are still shooting at them. The problem is the drones are too fast and I don't ever see how the drones attack Stonehenge in the 1st place so I'm not able to shoot them down. I'm currently flying strike wyvren with all machine gun upgrades as well as a maneuverability and an automated fire extinguisher does anybody know if you can actually clear this mission with machine guns cause I don't think you can.

[Young Erusean Officer]

Switch to Mig-21 with MGM SW and use only gun parts. Rest can go into yellow or green I guess.

When the countdown starts you are meant to attack the Arsenal Bird. Just knock down the two Main Propelers (the big ones) and you are done. No other parts of the drone airship are necessary.

Are you sure you have done this mission before? I wouldn't recommend doing a gun-only run on your first playthrough. I know you have the X-02S unlocked but that's weird.

[Useless Bunny]

Yes you can. I cleared it with the Mig21 using MGP, I just flew to stonehenge to help protect it, only killed like 1 or 2 drones and then the arsenal bird timer activated, simply went there and blew the main propelers then waited for several seconds until it was down.

[Secondhand Samurai]

Me: I'm currently flying strike wyvren (an aircraft that doesn't even appear on the tree until you clear mission 20 which is AFTER the Stonehenge mission).

Young Erusian Officer: Are you sure you have done this mission before? I wouldn't recommend doing a gun-only run on your first playthrough.

Me:.......no never played this mission before in my life -_-

[Secondhand Samurai]

Originally posted by BEEP BEEP BEEP MISSILE ALERT:

Yes you can. I cleared it with the Mig21 using MGP, I just flew to stonehenge to help protect it, only killed like 1 or 2 drones and then the arsenal bird timer activated, simply went there and blew the main propelers then waited for several seconds until it was down.

Why, may I ask, do you recommend the MiG 21? That thing is a Soviet-Era dinosaur. Wouldn't literally ANY airplane available be better?

[JtDarth]

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Originally posted by BEEP BEEP BEEP MISSILE ALERT:

Yes you can. I cleared it with the Mig21 using MGP, I just flew to stonehenge to help protect it, only killed like 1 or 2 drones and then the arsenal bird timer activated, simply went there and blew the main propelers then waited for several seconds until it was down.

Why, may I ask, do you recommend the MiG 21? That thing is a Soviet-Era dinosaur. Wouldn't literally ANY airplane available be better?

If you are still new enough to not understand that that isn't how ace combat works, you aren't ready for a guns only run in the slightest.

Aside from the Mig-21 having access to MGP, the only special weapon usable in a guns run, it also has one of, if not THE best manuverability ratios in the game.

[Secondhand Samurai]

Originally posted by JtDarth:

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Why, may I ask, do you recommend the MiG 21? That thing is a Soviet-Era dinosaur. Wouldn't literally ANY airplane available be better?

If you are still new enough to not understand that that isn't how ace combat works, you aren't ready for a guns only run in the slightest.

Aside from the Mig-21 having access to MGP, the only special weapon usable in a guns run, it also has one of, if not THE best manuverability ratios in the game.

Uh-huh ok so why couldn't you tell me that WITHOUT being a total b!tch for no reason?

Fun Fact: If you're NICE to people who look for help they are more likely to take you seriously. ;)

[Strez]

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Originally posted by BEEP BEEP BEEP MISSILE ALERT:

Yes you can. I cleared it with the Mig21 using MGP, I just flew to stonehenge to help protect it, only killed like 1 or 2 drones and then the arsenal bird timer activated, simply went there and blew the main propelers then waited for several seconds until it was down.

Why, may I ask, do you recommend the MiG 21? That thing is a Soviet-Era dinosaur. Wouldn't literally ANY airplane available be better?

MiG-21 is very maneuverable, and gunpods with buffed parts will shred anything. Makes short work of drones, aircraft, ships, Mihaly, ADF-11,etc. I'd run 4 performance parts(Queen's Custom, Superior Maneuver, Variable Cycle Engine, and Airbrakes), 3 gun parts, and the fire extinguisher or another performance part(Fire Extinguisher for mission 19 def, otherwise anything that buffs Pitch or Roll). It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

[Secondhand Samurai]

Originally posted by Sheev Racer:

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Why, may I ask, do you recommend the MiG 21? That thing is a Soviet-Era dinosaur. Wouldn't literally ANY airplane available be better?

MiG-21 is very maneuverable, and gunpods with buffed parts will shred anything. Makes short work of drones, aircraft, ships, Mihaly, ADF-11,etc. I'd run 4 performance parts, 3 gun parts, and the fire extinguisher or another performance part(Fire Extinguisher for mission 19 def). It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

Oh ok I see. Thank you. I ALWAYS skip the MiG 21 because I'm a Military History buff and so I make the mistake of applying real world bias (EX: The MiG 21 is an old plane therefore no good) to fictional games that don't use realistic performance stats for planes.

I will try again with the MiG 21 and MGP. Thank you again for your help.

[Arya]

I agree the MiG-21 is the way to go, it's comfortably the best gunfighter in the game and even viable in multiplayer. But for ground attack I would swap Airbrakes for ECU Firmware Update. MiG-21s don't have a great stall speed or good stability, ECU Firmware fixes that. It's purely a personal preferance, but for low altitude combat I would rather have that stability. Especially with a manually-aimed weapon like the MGP.

[Gojira destructor]

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Oh ok I see. Thank you. I ALWAYS skip the MiG 21 because I'm a Military History buff and so I make the mistake of applying real world bias (EX: The MiG 21 is an old plane therefore no good) to fictional games that don't use realistic performance stats for planes.

I will try again with the MiG 21 and MGP. Thank you again for your help.

Don't be so quick to write it off. Variants of the MiG-21 are still in use today. I believe Romania retired their MiG-29s in favour of upgrading their MiG-21s since it was more economic. It's still got quite a bit of fight left in it yet!

[Secondhand Samurai]

Originally posted by Gojira destructor:

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Oh ok I see. Thank you. I ALWAYS skip the MiG 21 because I'm a Military History buff and so I make the mistake of applying real world bias (EX: The MiG 21 is an old plane therefore no good) to fictional games that don't use realistic performance stats for planes.

I will try again with the MiG 21 and MGP. Thank you again for your help.

Don't be so quick to write it off. Variants of the MiG-21 are still in use today. I believe Romania retired their MiG-29s in favour of upgrading their MiG-21s since it was more economic. It's still got quite a bit of fight left in it yet!

Well that makes sense. The Soviets, unlike the US who build stuff on the cheap, built sh!t to last. That's where the stereotype comes from of old Soviet technology coming back to haunt people.

[Secondhand Samurai]

Just tried the MiG 21 MGP in a test run. Didn't seem to do much more dps than standard machine guns. I tested each against a tank And it took roughly the same amount of time to destroy both of them.

[JtDarth]

Originally posted by RedFlash913:

Just tried the MiG 21 MGP in a test run. Didn't seem to do much more dps than standard machine guns. I tested each against a tank And it took roughly the same amount of time to destroy both of them.

It's far more noticeable against more fragile targets, like aircraft.
EDIT:
Should also note that the MGP doesn't benefit from the autoaim part, so against ground targets it tends to seem less effective compared to normal MG with that part. Against air targets that part is a malus, not a benefit, so having mgp allows you to keep the part for ground target ease of access, while also having a seperate option for shredding air targets without the auto-aim interfering.

I used the MGP MiG for my gun run, using standard mg for most ground targets, and the MGP for air targets. Only ran low on MGP on mission 19, and that was with a LOT of wasteful hosing.

[Young Erusean Officer]

Note you can fire the MGP and your guns simultaniously. That's TRIPPLE the Dakka.

[OppaErich]

MIG21 is the GOAT? I'll give it a try. It was fine using using the A10 and a SU-Something so far. But Stonehenge works only up to the first checkpoint. When the drones come it's game over within a minute. I can't hit a single drone with the A10.