HOTAS & Flight Joysticks are stupid

[Virtuosah]

Using a flight joystick for playing AC7 is like using a sword to cut fruit: it's not financially sound to purchase a sword instead of a fruit knife, it's way too difficult to utilise, and it's too fidgetty.
I've recently hooked up my generic flight joystick I use for Xplanes & Microsoft Flight Simulator to play AC7 using Xpadder and for the trouble it caused me, it wasn't worth it.
Sure it's fun, for the first minute but then it just felt like a task as opposed to an enjoyable game.

There's a reason I use my joystick for Xplanes & Flight Simulator: they're actually simulators of the flying genre, one that requires the need for multiple buttons, throttle control, and deadzone management. When I used it for AC7, it made me feel exhausted and tiring to just do a 90 degree turn and then had to counter-turn to aim properly at a target and firing a missile.
Ace Combat isn't a simulation game, it's not supposed to make you feel immersed as a real jet pilot... You'd think that to be the case from just looking at the bloody trailers but do tell me in what world does a plane carry 100 missiles in its cargo bay? Strangereal. A strange reality, in fiction.
Gamepad has always been the status quo

Plus, this isn't considering even the multiplayer aspect of the game, where response time is power: the few mutliplayer games I've been in have been brutal and unforgiving, as people were in overpowered planes and such but another factor is the speed of response, where a fraction of a second could determine your death. I won't be surprised if people using HOTAS will switch to controller just to play multiplayer in which then I ask, why buy a HOTAS and go through that trouble in the first place if for a portion of the game, you will go against the conceptuality of realism?

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Originalmente postado por geryboy85:

why do they have 2 sticks officially released for AC 7 on console? the throttle works very simply in AC but the stick input is nice to have and immersive.

This should be marked as the correct answer.
OP doesn't know the difference between a flight stick and HOTAS. They're the same thing.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Originalmente postado por Zero:

Originalmente postado por napoleonic_sp007rz:

real hotas users know that it's not worth to use hotas for this game, lol.

thats false, i played HAWX and AC:AH with the HOTAS just fine.

Same here, Project Wingman is brilliant to play too.

[Phillip Weedmore Coughman]

Real HOTAS users are jumping for any chance to use them because theyre expensive and you can only use them in like 4 games

[Napoleonic S]

Originalmente postado por geryboy85:

1 is speculation, clearly some quick movements will not wear down anything. These things are tested properly. a couple of missile dodges a mission is constant quick throwing?

you don't have to rip your stick from one way to the other. you're really trying to make an argument that is already very biased.

wouldn't let it count.

Most people would have a 100 to 150 $ setup. you're going to an extreme and argue with a top end HOTAS to make your point, again just silly.

How is it biased when you can easily see videos how people have been playing Ace Combat games since the 90s? you can easily see how constant the movement that people do in these games, and how such plays are in stark contrast with how people play sims?

Of course I'm always talking about non lowest entry level of hotases, because people who actually use hotas regularly for playing games/sims usually sought for or already invested on those better hotases, and that it's those better hotases that they settle with and being used regularly. And usually if people are buying real entry level flying hardware, it's gonna be a cheap flight stick which isn't a hotas, and while the such stick suffer the same limitation I mentioned before at least it usually doesn't have the throttle problem. But those who use better throttle hardware would face that stiff vs loose hardware issue which isn't compatible each other.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Originalmente postado por Phillip Weedmore Coughman:

Real HOTAS users are jumping for any chance to use them because theyre expensive and you can only use them in like 4 games

No incorrect, you can get the T.1600 cheaper than you can get a good mouse for.

[Napoleonic S]

Originalmente postado por Phillip Weedmore Coughman:

Real HOTAS users are jumping for any chance to use them because theyre expensive and you can only use them in like 4 games

Nope, they are expensive and thus wouldn't want to be wasted for arcade games that fundamentally detrimental to the expensive hardware that is prone to wear and tear from excess usage.

[ash0787]

then they should also remove the support for it from the PS4, if its as stupid as you say

[geryboy85]

to dodge a missile you use a high g turn or flares. high g is increase or decrease in throttle + stick movement at the same time. You do that the moment the HUD starts to beep more frequently, nearly at the end, not the whole time.

Most people had logitech x52 or TM 16000M. Again just fine in controls and usage.

This is not Sega's Afterburner. Because the way you explain Ace Combat seems to me that you mistake it for AB.

the movement is just fine and not as hectic as you describe it. I played enough to know. There's people who played Elite Dangerous who want to play AC 7 just the same way. It's not a lot more hectic than that.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Originalmente postado por napoleonic_sp007rz:

Originalmente postado por Phillip Weedmore Coughman:

Real HOTAS users are jumping for any chance to use them because theyre expensive and you can only use them in like 4 games

Nope, they are expensive and thus wouldn't want to be wasted for arcade games that fundamentally detrimental to the expensive hardware that is prone to wear and tear from excess usage.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_lp_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=H0N5QWZAR8KYVF095D65

Not expensive.

[Matroshka]

Originalmente postado por Virtuoso:

Originalmente postado por geryboy85:

why do they have 2 sticks officially released for AC 7 on console? the throttle works very simply in AC but the stick input is nice to have and immersive.

I'd imagine because some joystick companies paid to be partnered, to get extra sales

Originalmente postado por Sashimi-X:

STFU with that nonsense, you can use a driving wheel to play racing games (and those are more expensive than HOTAS) so people want to use a flight stick for a flight game.

it's not rocket science and it's not an unreasonable expectation.

Sure, still doesn't change the fact that they're dumb for AC7

Played all PS2 games on a HOTAS, believe me, it's way better than a gamepad. The reason it sucked for you is because XPadder is worthless for what you're trying to do, use X360CE. Even then it will suck though, because a stick requires different deadzone settings. If everything's set up correctly however, Ace Combat really feels way better with a stick. You get a slightly lower response time (which is not really that much of a problem in any AC game other than Assault Horizon), sacrificing it for way more precision - which is really helpful for guns use.

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OK, all of you 14 year old squabbling kids on both sides, enough. Since the game does support the official sticks, I'm pretty sure it's possible to emulate them just like the X360 pad. I'll do some more research and if that doesn't work, I'll make a fork of x360ce and try to add antideadzones in, perhaps macros for high-g and flares (since both of those use single buttons on the official flight sticks). Hopefully once I (or someone else) come up with a way to make the sticks work properly this entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ will end.

EDIT: Wait a second, X360ce DOES support antideadzones. OK, looks like I'll be writing some guides tomorrow. Standby everybody

[Shrimp On The New Breed]

Agreed, they don't have much use in an arcade flight game like this, not sure why some people call this a sim though LOL

Though I guess flight stick does help with immersion but hardly game breaking to use kb/m or controller :)

[geryboy85]

Originalmente postado por Snake Plissken:

Originalmente postado por napoleonic_sp007rz:

Nope, they are expensive and thus wouldn't want to be wasted for arcade games that fundamentally detrimental to the expensive hardware that is prone to wear and tear from excess usage.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_lp_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=H0N5QWZAR8KYVF095D65

Not expensive.

yeah once again, most people who played Elite Dangerous have a 100 - 150 § setup, just fine and eager to go to AC 7.

1st they call you an idiot for not playing with a game pad, now the game will destroy your hardware anyway and you should only play it with a game pad.

WTF?

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Originalmente postado por geryboy85:

Originalmente postado por Snake Plissken:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_lp_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=H0N5QWZAR8KYVF095D65

Not expensive.

yeah once again, most people who played Elite Dangerous have a 100 - 150 § setup, just fine and eager to go to AC 7.

1st they call you an idiot for not playing with a game pad, now the game will destroy your hardware anyway and you should only play it with a game pad.

WTF?

I wonder how these people who bought the official sticks will feel when theirs break due to poorer quality over the better sticks?. Supporting official channels only to be shafted isn't the smartest thing I've seen people do.

The T.1600m is boss, it feels large enough to feel like you're doing something and i have no fear of breaking it.
What I find amusing is people who don't own the game commenting on how people should play the game.

=D

[MechaDeka]

"Additionally, there's a built-in option for Resolution Scaling, enabling you to play at 4K quality on a 1920x1080 monitor; the option to uncap the framerate; and plenty of settings for Flight Systems, controllers, flight sticks, keyboard and mouse control, and key remapping. In other words, Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown has everything you need to tailor the experience to your liking."

It doesn't matter if it makese sense or not.

They lied.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Originalmente postado por MechaDeka:

"Additionally, there's a built-in option for Resolution Scaling, enabling you to play at 4K quality on a 1920x1080 monitor; the option to uncap the framerate; and plenty of settings for Flight Systems, controllers, flight sticks, keyboard and mouse control, and key remapping. In other words, Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown has everything you need to tailor the experience to your liking."

It doesn't matter if it makese sense or not.

They lied.

Someone will come along soon and try to correct by saying, that was nVidia that posted that, yes but it's still on Bandai's website.