Can someone explain the story of Opposing Force?

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In HL2 I took for granted that it was “mostly” an (engineered) accident. Gman always talks mysteriously and with innuendo. But I understood it as all hell broke loose, the military was called in to contain it and that was it. Granted I never fully understood why US soldiers would kill EVERYONE involved, but I left it as a last ditch effort at the last minute to quell any dissent and or word from reaching out to the public.

But playing OP and even researching it, apparently the game manual had diary entries,

["May 3 - Another typically hellish day at base camp... I'll be glad when this is over and I can finally can get assigned a mission. There has been this really weird civie spotted at the base. Rumor is he's from some government branch looking to recruit; others say he's with some secret research group. I would jump at the chance to join. It would be cool just for the change and the adventure."

"May 7 - I finally saw the government guy today. I am not sure he is a g-man, but he was wearing a really uptight suit and carrying a briefcase. He looked more like a lawyer or insurance agent to me. I did notice him checking me out. Several times throughout the day I spotted him just watching me during training. I wonder what he's up to..." (That has some gay overtones by the way... >_< )

"May 9 - For weeks our drills have been the same crap day after day. Today we assemble for the morning run and our drill instructor tells us we have one week to become experts at indoor strategic combat. We will be spending every day this week at the combat simulation facility. As far as I know this is a specialized training not taught in boot camp. What I want to know is if this is to test our ability to adapt or if we are being readied for a specific mission? Time will tell..."

"May 12 - The rumors have been flying since our indoor combat training began. Most of my peers are convinced that we are being primed for a mission. No one can agree on what the mission is. I have heard the name Black Mesa Facility thrown around a lot, but I have no information about the place. The rumors are that some top-secret research is going on there. Doesn't sound too exciting to me..."

"May 15 - The rumor has been confirmed. We are being trained for a mission at the Black Mesa Facility. All I know is that the place is being used by scientists who are doing some kind of new research. I can't imagine what we would be needed for. We were told today to be ready in case it happens tomorrow. I don't know what "it" is, but the whole thing is a little strange. I kind of hope it doesn't happen; the mission doesn't seem to have much excitement potential. I'd rather hold out for something with more likelihood of combat."]

meaning the government was already planning the extermination of everyone there and that they knew of the experiment well in advance before it happened, although maybe not fully prepared for what actually did occur. (That means they could of intervened before it actually happened to stop what did occur in the first place if they chose to.) Black Ops, mercenary forces, an enemy military- sure I can understand killing and silencing everyone there for profit or knowledge. But our own regular armed forces? I do not buy it. And it makes me wonder had Shephard actually received those standing orders, if he would have been killing the innocent people as he came to them. (I never killed any scientists or security guards, so I am not sure if it ends the game as it did in Blue Shift, but I doubt it would.) Would the Shephard we all know and love, be as the saint we took him for had he been given the same orders as everyone else?

So much like the Seven Hour War, I do not much buy the bit of our own military killing all innocent bystanders, employees, etc. at Black Mesa. And it is not like it was a rogue unit, (not with standing possibly the Black Ops, but Black Ops again do not operate without orders. Maybe a rogue of a rogue unit...) It just does not make any sense. Your thoughts, views, speculations, etc?

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Have you played the first Half-Life?

[Sovereign]

It's explained in Episode 2 that the G-Man planned the whole Black Mesa incident. He warned the HECU before hand that something might go down so they would be prepared.

Also I think you vastly overestimate the moral integrity of the US military, they are trained to follow orders, and they will even if the orders make them feel uncomfortable personally. There are plenty of real life examples of soldiers killing their own people when ordered to. Plus the HECU are a special forces group specifically trained for this sort of thing.

Not sure where your getting the "shepard is saint" thing from. He's just a generic military guy with no personality, we have no idea what his morals are.

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Have you played the first Half-Life?

Yes, plus Blue Shift and Opposing Force. HL2 and it's three Episodes.

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It's explained in Episode 2 that the G-Man planned the whole Black Mesa incident. He warned the HECU before hand that something might go down so they would be prepared.

That part is not in question. The part that is, is why would the government even allow it to go down in the first place? It is no small task to get soldiers trained for a specific mission, much less one of secrecy, geared up and transported. You telling me the government allowed this to happen to it's own populace and on it's own soil!? On top of that, again why not stop the experiment if they knew about it before it happened? Why wait? It makes no sense.

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Also I think you vastly overestimate the moral integrity of the US military, they are trained to follow orders, and they will even if the orders make them feel uncomfortable personally. There are plenty of real life examples of soldiers killing their own people when ordered to. Plus the HECU are a special forces group specifically trained for this sort of thing.

I am ex-ARMY Infantry. I can tell you right now that I and a whole slew of other soldiers would not of slaughtered innocent civilians, in fact most would not. (Although I knew of a few trigger happy psychotic bastards who would...) We are not all brain dead zombies in it for the thrill of the kill, at least not to innocent civilians anyway... ^_^ Now detain them, possibly even rough them up a bit for info, sure. But killed by firing squad or execution style, no. I personally would not do that to any civilian, much less our very own. Now a security guard firing his weapon at me or my squad, yea I will fire back and shoot to kill if necessary. But unarmed scientists, maintenance workers, etc.? No. Uncomfortable is force marching people. Crossing the line is the straight murdering of said people.

And it makes me wonder now in HL1 if the Marines were ordered to kill everyone and the Black Ops were doing the same or even worse, then why were the Marines fighting the Black Ops in OP? That also makes no sense. If you are on the same team then why kill each other? Are you now telling me the government not only planed to kill the civilians working at Black Mesa, but also the regular soldiers as well!? I understand conspiracy theories and all, but come on! Again they had time to stop the experiment to begin with before all this nonsense even happened.

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Not sure where your getting the "shepard is saint" thing from. He's just a generic military guy with no personality, we have no idea what his morals are.

Because he is not a blood thirsty killer. I figured that was what he was before I actually played the game That is not how he turned out. Saint was a little strong of a description, but he certainly was not the devil either.

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Have you played the first Half-Life?

Yes, plus Blue Shift and Opposing Force. HL2 and it's three Episodes.

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It's explained in Episode 2 that the G-Man planned the whole Black Mesa incident. He warned the HECU before hand that something might go down so they would be prepared.

That part is not in question. The part that is, is why would the government even allow it to go down in the first place? It is no small task to get soldiers trained for a specific mission, much less one of secrecy, geared up and transported. You telling me the government allowed this to happen to it's own populace and on it's own soil!? On top of that, again why not stop the experiment if they knew about it before it happened? Why wait? It makes no sense.

The G-Man is a powerful alien entity with mastery over time and space. Are you really telling me he couldn't manipulate a small, primitive world government into doing his bidding? Plus this is HL, the background lore is purposely vague, we don't know if it "made sense" because we don't know what he and his employeres actually did and we will probably never know.

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Also I think you vastly overestimate the moral integrity of the US military, they are trained to follow orders, and they will even if the orders make them feel uncomfortable personally. There are plenty of real life examples of soldiers killing their own people when ordered to. Plus the HECU are a special forces group specifically trained for this sort of thing.

I am ex-ARMY Infantry. I can tell you right now that I and a whole slew of other soldiers would not of slaughtered innocent civilians, in fact most would not. (Although I knew of a few trigger happy psychotic bastards who would...) We are not all brain dead zombies in it for the thrill of the kill, at least not to innocent civilians anyway... ^_^ Now detain them, possibly even rough them up a bit for info, sure. But killed by firing squad or execution style, no. I personally would not do that to any civilian, much less our very own. Now a security guard firing his weapon at me or my squad, yea I will fire back and shoot to kill if necessary. But unarmed scientists, maintenance workers, etc.? No. Uncomfortable is force marching people. Crossing the line is the straight murdering of said people.

You wouldn't, but these fictional soldiers in this, fictional science-fiction videogame would, and did. Also for the record not all of the HECU are thugs, you can overhear a couple of soldiers at the rocket launch area who are uncomfortable with their orders, but orders are orders. Remember, the HECU is not regular army, they are special-forces marines who were specifically hand-picked and trained with sort of operation in mind.

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And it makes me wonder now in HL1 if the Marines were ordered to kill everyone and the Black Ops were doing the same or even worse, then why were the Marines fighting the Black Ops in OP? That also makes no sense. If you are on the same team then why kill each other? Are you now telling me the government not only planed to kill the civilians working at Black Mesa, but also the regular soldiers as well!? I understand conspiracy theories and all, but come on! Again they had time to stop the experiment to begin with before all this nonsense even happened.

Most of the marines were evacuated early on in OP, Shepard and most of the other marines you meet in OP are stragglers that were left behind. The Black Ops were ordered to kill everyone in BM and to completely destroy the facility, stragglers included.

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Not sure where your getting the "shepard is saint" thing from. He's just a generic military guy with no personality, we have no idea what his morals are.

Because he is not a blood thirsty killer. I figured that was what he was before I actually played the game That is not how he turned out. Saint was a little strong of a description, but he certainly was not the devil either.

"Devil"? No. "Saint"? No. Shepard is not a character, just a generic military guy. His personality is up to whoever is playing at that moment in time.

[Ikagura]

There's barely any story outside of the fact that the main ennemies are the Race X and the Black Ops

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*two Episodes

Shhh... ^_^

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The G-Man is a powerful alien entity with mastery over time and space. Are you really telling me he couldn't manipulate a small, primitive world government into doing his bidding? Plus this is HL, the background lore is purposely vague, we don't know if it "made sense" because we don't know what he and his employeres actually did and we will probably never know.

Exactly my point. If he is so powerful why go through all the extra work? He involved wayyy too many people in his plans and for no good reason.

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You wouldn't, but these fictional soldiers in this, fictional science-fiction videogame would, and did. Also for the record not all of the HECU are thugs, you can overhear a couple of soldiers at the rocket launch area who are uncomfortable with their orders, but orders are orders. Remember, the HECU is not regular army, they are special-forces marines who were specifically hand-picked and trained with sort of operation in mind.

Or are we over stretching the realm of fantasy or just excusing bad story telling?

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Most of the marines were evacuated early on in OP, Shepard and most of the other marines you meet in OP are stragglers that were left behind. The Black Ops were ordered to kill everyone in BM and to completely destroy the facility, stragglers included.

Hmmm...

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"Devil"? No. "Saint"? No. Shepard is not a character, just a generic military guy. His personality is up to whoever is playing at that moment in time.

Ehhh...

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The G-Man is a powerful alien entity with mastery over time and space. Are you really telling me he couldn't manipulate a small, primitive world government into doing his bidding? Plus this is HL, the background lore is purposely vague, we don't know if it "made sense" because we don't know what he and his employeres actually did and we will probably never know.

Exactly my point. If he is so powerful why go through all the extra work? He involved wayyy too many people in his plans and for no good reason.

Until we actually find out what his plan actually was (which we probably never will) we can't really question it. He obviously did what he did for a good reason, we just don't know the reason, that's the whole point of the the G-Man.

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You wouldn't, but these fictional soldiers in this, fictional science-fiction videogame would, and did. Also for the record not all of the HECU are thugs, you can overhear a couple of soldiers at the rocket launch area who are uncomfortable with their orders, but orders are orders. Remember, the HECU is not regular army, they are special-forces marines who were specifically hand-picked and trained with sort of operation in mind.

Or are we over stretching the realm of fantasy or just excusing bad story telling?

I hate to break to you mate but the US government being badguys is a pretty standard story trope that most people find pretty easy to swollow. Your literally the only one I've seen question this in the last 15 years of me playing HL..

[Teh_Diplomat]

G-Man uses Shepard as his 'chosen one' much the same way Freeman was selected; only they both have different objectives. Freeman's was to kill the Nihilanth, and thereby give uncontested control of the Borderworld, Xen, and allows the Combine - present in Half-Life 2; to launch a full-scale, and brief invasion.

Shepard, as you come to find out unwittingly faces off against Race X, another competing alien race who can also use Xen - as it's a borderworld; and stops their invasion force (by killing the final boss who can Teleport the Shock Troopers) on Earth.

During the game, the only way for Race X to teleport onto Earth is indirectly (until the aforementioned Gene Worm [Final Boss] appears), meaning they first have to teleport from their planet to Xen, then again to Earth. Even there (on Xen) their portals are different, and can be seen throughout your brief periods on Xen, as Shepard.

This allows the G-man - combined with the Combine; to essentially use two unique men, from Earth to complete their designs of occupying Earth.

As you learn in the Epilogue, Shepard's intent of shutting down the Nuke, is rendered moot, when the large flash goes off beneath you, and Black Mesa is eviscerated. Secondly, Shepard, considered a 'loose end' is left to live out his days in the void, unable to return to Earth, nor be killed. I mean at least Freeman was presented with a choice.



As for Barney in Blue Shift, he's the part of the story that allows the select few scientists who do manage to escape, and form up the meagre resistance you find present in Half-Life 2, and its subsequent Episodic content.


Edit: As for why the the plot is extremely vague in Opposing-Force was due to time constraints; Marc Laidlaw mentioned as much years after the fact that the game was 'rushed' out the door to meet their deadline, so much of the explanation (As Half-Life, and Gordon's plot is much more clear) was left out of the game. As such, the fans were left to theorize as to essentially, all the plot in OP-FOR, when compared to Half-Life, or Blue Shift.

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Until we actually find out what his plan actually was (which we probably never will) we can't really question it. He obviously did what he did for a good reason, we just don't know the reason, that's the whole point of the the G-Man.

Either that or you easily swallow what ever pill they give you.

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I hate to break to you mate but the US government being badguys is a pretty standard story trope that most people find pretty easy to swollow. Your literally the only one I've seen question this in the last 15 years of me playing HL..

Again, coming from an actual military background and a combat one at that, I know it would not happen for the same reasons already given. I did not question it in HL1 because it seemed like they were brought in at the last moment as in a FUBAR to stop what was happening and the scientists may of been caught in the middle or a desperate order was given to quell everyone. But OP shows us this was planed well in advance. Knowing it all could of been stopped easily enough ahead of time before the test/accident was conducted/occurred just does not make any sense that they did not simply halt it. Then again I do not swallow just any old pill either.

And there is romance (oddly enough) in the notion that the US government is all evil and will do what ever to whom ever, even it's own citizens if it must, to do what it wants when it wants. And although I am not blinded by patriotism not to think there are not shadow arms in the government, but to send a whole army of "evil" men just does not make any sense. And as stated before, those in the military are not all blood thirsty killers, especially when it comes to their own citizens at the very least. But there are some nutters out there yes. After all you have to have "something" to willingly join to learn to kill another human being...

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This allows the G-man - combined with the Combine; to essentially use two unique men, from Earth to complete their designs of occupying Earth.

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I mean at least Freeman was presented with a choice.

You make it seem as if the G-man was working for the Combine, but I have not seen or read any evidence of that. And in saying that, how were the Combine using either of the others?

And it clearly was not much of a choice, although the player does not know this until they decide or not to decide I should say. Maybe they did not want to have the same exact ending and did not bother with the useless choice either.

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This allows the G-man - combined with the Combine; to essentially use two unique men, from Earth to complete their designs of occupying Earth.

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I mean at least Freeman was presented with a choice.

You make it seem as if the G-man was working for the Combine, but I have not seen or read any evidence of that. And in saying that, how were the Combine using either of the others?

And it clearly was not much of a choice, although the player does not know this until they decide or not to decide I should say. Maybe they did not want to have the same exact ending and did not bother with the useless choice either.

Well I may have overstated my knowledge of how exactly the G-Man is related to the combine, but we don't even learn of the combine until they come into existence in Half-Life 2.

But to the 2nd point, that is correct; both Freeman, and Shepard weren't really given a choice, they were both placed into the Black Mesa situation with no knowledge of the overall goal that the G-Man has.

What I mean by that is Freeman is a scientist who is there (Black Mesa) to do a routine experiment, or so he's told. When itvall goes to hell in a hand basket, Freeman's goal is survival and the closing of the portal(s) from the Xen world

And Shepard is sent on a mission,
- and has NP reason to question, or suspect any nefarious motives, and it all goes awry before he even gets his mission objective, so both men are really just trying to make it alive of their current predicament.

It's ironically their survival, and placement within Black Mesa that allows the G-Man to complete his objectives.

[Sovereign]

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Until we actually find out what his plan actually was (which we probably never will) we can't really question it. He obviously did what he did for a good reason, we just don't know the reason, that's the whole point of the the G-Man.

Either that or you easily swallow what ever pill they give you.

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I hate to break to you mate but the US government being badguys is a pretty standard story trope that most people find pretty easy to swollow. Your literally the only one I've seen question this in the last 15 years of me playing HL..

Again, coming from an actual military background and a combat one at that, I know it would not happen for the same reasons already given. I did not question it in HL1 because it seemed like they were brought in at the last moment as in a FUBAR to stop what was happening and the scientists may of been caught in the middle or a desperate order was given to quell everyone. But OP shows us this was planed well in advance. Knowing it all could of been stopped easily enough ahead of time before the test/accident was conducted/occurred just does not make any sense that they did not simply halt it. Then again I do not swallow just any old pill either.

And there is romance (oddly enough) in the notion that the US government is all evil and will do what ever to whom ever, even it's own citizens if it must, to do what it wants when it wants. And although I am not blinded by patriotism not to think there are not shadow arms in the government, but to send a whole army of "evil" men just does not make any sense. And as stated before, those in the military are not all blood thirsty killers, especially when it comes to their own citizens at the very least. But there are some nutters out there yes. After all you have to have "something" to willingly join to learn to kill another human being...

I never said every single HECU marine was "evil", most are just following orders and as I've already pointed out some were uncomfortable with these orders.

Examples:

"I killed twelve dumb ass scientists and not one of 'em fought back. This sucks!" - Obvious psycho.

"I didn't sign on for this ♥♥♥♥. Monsters, sure, but civilians? Who ordered this operation anyway?" - Clearly uncomfortable with orders.

This all fits into the general moral grey-area of the HL games, there is very little obvious "evil" in this series.

As for the government knowing well in advance: I must again point out that this is HL, which means the background lore is left purposely vague. We have no idea what the US government knew or didn't know before the BM incident, all that really matters to the player is what's actually happening in the game in front of them, everything else is mostly left open to interpretation. I must also point out that the diary entries in your OP are of rather questionable canonity.

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"I didn't sign on for this ♥♥♥♥. Monsters, sure, but civilians? Who ordered this operation anyway?" - Clearly uncomfortable with orders.

Yes I just noticed that quote from the area where you send the rocket into space when playing Half-Nuked a few days ago. Even when I heard it I gave "that" soldier a chance to live, but he still shot me so I had to kill him and move on. I do not think he was very sincere. ^_^ In fact I think that was the only soldier in the entire game that was even questioning his orders.

But you guys have to understand the military are not robots, not even Marines. They are trained to take over a position without question of course, even to the death. But they would not walk into a peaceful town and just start murdering civilians because some guy dressed in a suit or their superiors told them to, especially not to their own citizens. There is a fine line, even a razors edge where a soldier knows something is wrong and should not do it. That is not to say there will not be possible consequences for disobeying. You could very well be court martialed and or shot in the back. But the same can be done to those giving the orders. There are orders you do not like and must be obeyed and then unlawful orders. The Black Mesa incident, if it was conducted as it was seen in OP was an unlawful order.

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I must also point out that the diary entries in your OP are of rather questionable canonity.

Then the whole game of OP is questionable canon, which was pretty much already a given. Just as Race X was made for the sole purpose of allowing the other developer to be more comfortable with having enemies they knew how to design/work with. Although when I played the game they sure left a lot of the original ones in as well. O_o

It all boils down to we all know this is just a fantasy game. But for me, if it was as intended with OP back/side story to be canonical, there are just a lot of either plot holes or poor writing. Writing a vague story for sake of not being able to explain it yourself does not make a good story. It leaves too much up to interpretation. I wonder if perhaps that is one reason HL3 has never came out. They have no idea how to actually end it or continue on without making it worse. And this is coming from a Half Life fan mind you.

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"I didn't sign on for this ♥♥♥♥. Monsters, sure, but civilians? Who ordered this operation anyway?" - Clearly uncomfortable with orders.

Yes I just noticed that quote from the area where you send the rocket into space when playing Half-Nuked a few days ago. Even when I heard it I gave "that" soldier a chance to live, but he still shot me so I had to kill him and move on. I do not think he was very sincere. ^_^ In fact I think that was the only soldier in the entire game that was even questioning his orders.

Freeman was armed and threat to them, he had already killed dozens of marines so of course he attacked. Also just because he was uncomfotable with his orders doesn't mean he was about to commit treason by not following them. He's the only soldier we hear questioning orders, we don't get much dialogue from the marines in the main game and none of it suggests they are enjoying themselves.

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But you guys have to understand the military are not robots, not even Marines. They are trained to take over a position without question of course, even to the death. But they would not walk into a peaceful town and just start murdering civilians because some guy dressed in a suit or their superiors told them to, especially not to their own citizens. There is a fine line, even a razors edge where a soldier knows something is wrong and should not do it. That is not to say there will not be possible consequences for disobeying. You could very well be court martialed and or shot in the back. But the same can be done to those giving the orders. There are orders you do not like and must be obeyed and then unlawful orders. The Black Mesa incident, if it was conducted as it was seen in OP was an unlawful order.

And yet there are many examples of soldiers doing just that throughout history. In fact killing the staff of one facility is pretty tame in comparson with humanities many genocides.

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I must also point out that the diary entries in your OP are of rather questionable canonity.

Then the whole game of OP is questionable canon, which was pretty much already a given. Just as Race X was made for the sole purpose of allowing the other developer to be more comfortable with having enemies they knew how to design/work with. Although when I played the game they sure left a lot of the original ones in as well. O_o

No, the games are always more canon them random fluff text in a manuel.
"Believe what you play, not what you read." - Laidlaw

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It all boils down to we all know this is just a fantasy game. But for me, if it was as intended with OP back/side story to be canonical, there are just a lot of either plot holes or poor writing. Writing a vague story for sake of not being able to explain it yourself does not make a good story. It leaves too much up to interpretation. I wonder if perhaps that is one reason HL3 has never came out. They have no idea how to actually end it or continue on without making it worse. And this is coming from a Half Life fan mind you.

"like many things in the hl universe, we like to reserve these things until we can make some use of them. There's no point in carving a story idea in granite, only to get there and learn that it leads to bad, boring gameplay." - Laidlaw

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Freeman was armed and threat to them, he had already killed dozens of marines so of course he attacked. Also just because he was uncomfotable with his orders doesn't mean he was about to commit treason by not following them. He's the only soldier we hear questioning orders, we don't get much dialogue from the marines in the main game and none of it suggests they are enjoying themselves.

I actually had a crowbar in my hand and had stayed relatively back as far as possible to give him a chance not to fire. He failed. Then I killed him. Of course he was hardwired by game code to do that. A real person is not. Just like you could go through the entire game killing every single security guard and scientist (Assuming they unlocked what ever door was needed before hand.) and each time you met up with a new one, they would not fire or run from you. Now attack them and stand back and they will fire back and or run.

And what I am trying to get you to understand is that it WAS treason to kill all those innocent people at the facility. Just because someone gives you standing orders does not mean they are the correct ones to follow.

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And yet there are many examples of soldiers doing just that throughout history. In fact killing the staff of one facility is pretty tame in comparson with humanities many genocides.

Oh I know very well what the US has done in the past and continue to do around the world. But in this day and age and with our own citizens and by a whole army of our said military? No. And pray god it never does happen, of course with who we have in office now who the hell knows...

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No, the games are always more canon them random fluff text in a manuel.
"Believe what you play, not what you read." - Laidlaw

So even if the journal entries would of been made into the game some how, we would or would not be taking them seriously?

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"like many things in the hl universe, we like to reserve these things until we can make some use of them. There's no point in carving a story idea in granite, only to get there and learn that it leads to bad, boring gameplay." - Laidlaw

“Writing a vague story for sake of not being able to explain it yourself does not make a good story. It leaves too much up to interpretation. I wonder if perhaps that is one reason HL3 has never came out. They have no idea how to actually end it or continue on without making it worse. And this is coming from a Half Life fan mind you.”- Me