Solo any better than a few years ago?

[^4JB^7L^1ZR]

I never bought the game since Solo wasn't possible like 3 years ago when I was first wanting to buy, is it any more manageable now?

[Artek [General]]

Somewhat? True solo is still ill advised, but you can play with bots. Its not ideal - they are not meant to be a proper replacement for a real squad, but you can make them work. Will at least get through most easier levels.

[Dj DNA]

You still can't solo the whole game.

[Gobby]

To be honest, I just played solo with the better bots mod on R2 mod man and cranked the bots to 100% accuracy. It takes away from the overall feeling of teamwork and there's a couple of levels that are still possible to do solo but wayyy easier with one more teammate. I've done about 90% of the game with that mod and I've enjoyed it.

[Dj DNA]

Originally posted by Gobby:

To be honest, I just played solo with the better bots mod on R2 mod man and cranked the bots to 100% accuracy. It takes away from the overall feeling of teamwork and there's a couple of levels that are still possible to do solo but wayyy easier with one more teammate. I've done about 90% of the game with that mod and I've enjoyed it.

Basically cheated your way through the game. To each their own. tbf every game has people cheating, so GTFO had to have them as well

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Dj DNA:

Originally posted by Gobby:

To be honest, I just played solo with the better bots mod on R2 mod man and cranked the bots to 100% accuracy. It takes away from the overall feeling of teamwork and there's a couple of levels that are still possible to do solo but wayyy easier with one more teammate. I've done about 90% of the game with that mod and I've enjoyed it.

Basically cheated your way through the game. To each their own. tbf every game has people cheating, so GTFO had to have them as well

To be fair the game is borderline unplayable on certain levels without it, assuming complete lack of human players on the team. I can hardly imagine beating some of the PE's of R7 with bots.

[Nokturnal]

Yea if you're going to solo with bots, I recommend 4 mods.

Better Bots, can crank their accuracy up so they can actually aim.
Reverse Friendly Fire: can allow you to disable the bots from being able to damage you as their AI is so bad they'll randomly shoot you in the back of the head for no reason.
Zombified Initiative: Allows you to order the bots to pick up resources or to not pick up resources and allows you to Instruct them to help you melee kill an enemy (Sleeping Giants for example)
In Level Carry On Back: Allows you to carry mission items (cells for example) on your back and still shoot, you'll be slowed and can't sprint but it helps alleviate the problem that bots REFUSE to carry mission items during combat and certain levels have combat happening constantly while you have to carry multiple mission items.

Nothing fixes Bots being hot garbage at dealing with Mothers or Tanks though. Gotta rely on turrets to help you kill those.

Far as anyone who thinks those mods are "cheats" they're just fixing the terrible AI of the bots, d-bags in the Discord use God mode, Speed hacks, ESP, Bullets that insta-kill enemies in 1 shot. The game has 0 anti-cheat so if fixing the bots to not be garbage is what you consider cheating, that's just sad.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Nokturnal:

Far as anyone who thinks those mods are "cheats" they're just fixing the terrible AI of the bots, d-bags in the Discord use God mode, Speed hacks, ESP, Bullets that insta-kill enemies in 1 shot. The game has 0 anti-cheat so if fixing the bots to not be garbage is what you consider cheating, that's just sad.

Most of those mods are fine, bot AI is infamously bad and no one got any problems with making them more managable.
The only thing veterans tend to have problem with is Better Bots cranked up to the highest accuracy settings. We have multiple reports of vets beating the hardest levels in the game without firing a single shot because cranked up bots mow down Sleepers like turrets without any downsides, you only have to supply them with ammo. At that point the game is essentially playing itself, while you play a walking simulator.

[Nokturnal]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Nokturnal:

Far as anyone who thinks those mods are "cheats" they're just fixing the terrible AI of the bots, d-bags in the Discord use God mode, Speed hacks, ESP, Bullets that insta-kill enemies in 1 shot. The game has 0 anti-cheat so if fixing the bots to not be garbage is what you consider cheating, that's just sad.

Most of those mods are fine, bot AI is infamously bad and no one got any problems with making them more managable.
The only thing veterans tend to have problem with is Better Bots cranked up to the highest accuracy settings. We have multiple reports of vets beating the hardest levels in the game without firing a single shot because cranked up bots mow down Sleepers like turrets without any downsides, you only have to supply them with ammo. At that point the game is essentially playing itself, while you play a walking simulator.

Then a Tank shows up and they waste all their ammo shooting it in the front lol. They definitely still have their limitations.

[Mirror System X]

Bots literally staying still while giants & tanks demolish them, dying over and over again, leaving you to deal with all enemies, at times refusing to go in a scanning location close to you or delaying it, refusing to put a turret, taking or using items that they shouldn't, etc, etc... vanilla has a bunch of issues.

On the other side, playing with random newbies or veterans isn't honorable either. You might get the feeling that it's only the mid-section of learning players with average experience that it's worth playing with in this particular game.

And the reasons for the apex sides around the median is mostly clear - the solo gameplay is very compromised and it is very hard to learn and progress when alone, thus forcing you to go coop -> newbies will come unprepared, while the unforgiving character of this slightly buggy game will trigger veterans to bash on the lower ranks. Inevitable.

[metafish]

Originally posted by Dj DNA:

Originally posted by Gobby:

To be honest, I just played solo with the better bots mod on R2 mod man and cranked the bots to 100% accuracy. It takes away from the overall feeling of teamwork and there's a couple of levels that are still possible to do solo but wayyy easier with one more teammate. I've done about 90% of the game with that mod and I've enjoyed it.

Basically cheated your way through the game. To each their own. tbf every game has people cheating, so GTFO had to have them as well

It's super cringe when opinion is hoisted up as fact. That this qualifies as cheating is your own opinion. I would bet a large sum of money that there's a large group of players who would objectively consider otherwise, some devs included. If they god-moded or took out all the need to play at all, then, sure, I guess, but, at the end of the day, if they had fun, experienced the story & lore, then does it really matter how one plays the game?

It's not like someone else using a bot mod is akin to having a gun pointed at your head and you being forced to do the same.

[Dj DNA]

Originally posted by metafish:

Originally posted by Dj DNA:

Basically cheated your way through the game. To each their own. tbf every game has people cheating, so GTFO had to have them as well

It's super cringe when opinion is hoisted up as fact. That this qualifies as cheating is your own opinion. I would bet a large sum of money that there's a large group of players who would objectively consider otherwise, some devs included. If they god-moded or took out all the need to play at all, then, sure, I guess, but, at the end of the day, if they had fun, experienced the story & lore, then does it really matter how one plays the game?

It's not like someone else using a bot mod is akin to having a gun pointed at your head and you being forced to do the same.

it is when that mod makes the bots OP to the point of finishing the levels for you. anyways even with that mod you still cant finish the game due to the need for at least a 2nd player on at least 4 levels.

so point stands. you cant solo the whole game

[metafish]

Originally posted by Dj DNA:

Originally posted by metafish:

It's super cringe when opinion is hoisted up as fact. That this qualifies as cheating is your own opinion. I would bet a large sum of money that there's a large group of players who would objectively consider otherwise, some devs included. If they god-moded or took out all the need to play at all, then, sure, I guess, but, at the end of the day, if they had fun, experienced the story & lore, then does it really matter how one plays the game?

It's not like someone else using a bot mod is akin to having a gun pointed at your head and you being forced to do the same.

it is when that mod makes the bots OP to the point of finishing the levels for you. anyways even with that mod you still cant finish the game due to the need for at least a 2nd player on at least 4 levels.

so point stands. you cant solo the whole game

Poster never said it made them OP to the point of straight-up outright finishing the level 'for them', but interpret it how you want. It's usually best to read & understand what's written, rather than projecting more than words; to each their own.

Your point is still nothing more than an opinion. If it wasn't, the devs likely would have already banned the mod if they considered it cheating.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by metafish:

Poster never said it made them OP to the point of straight-up outright finishing the level 'for them', but interpret it how you want. It's usually best to read & understand what's written, rather than projecting more than words; to each their own.

Your point is still nothing more than an opinion. If it wasn't, the devs likely would have already banned the mod if they considered it cheating.

They kinda did? You're not supposed to have game-changing mods when playing through and with the official Discord. The Better Bots mod was tested by various people and the result are unanimous: when tuned to the highest performance possible the bots become annihilators of anything that moves within their line of sight, and at that point your role as a player is to just move from point A to point B and keep objectives going, not a single shot required. Well and feeding the bots supplies, of course.
I believe the mod was toned down later on, but the option for terminators is still there.

[Dj DNA]

Originally posted by metafish:

Originally posted by Dj DNA:

it is when that mod makes the bots OP to the point of finishing the levels for you. anyways even with that mod you still cant finish the game due to the need for at least a 2nd player on at least 4 levels.

so point stands. you cant solo the whole game

Poster never said it made them OP to the point of straight-up outright finishing the level 'for them', but interpret it how you want. It's usually best to read & understand what's written, rather than projecting more than words; to each their own.

Your point is still nothing more than an opinion. If it wasn't, the devs likely would have already banned the mod if they considered it cheating.

He said it himself in his post. 100% accuracy and the mod is very infamous in the community. countless examples of people clearing E levels without shooting a single bullet with that mod alone.

Devs also dont allow that mod on the discord and have stated different times that the bots were made weak on purpose as you aren't supposed to play the whole game with them but just use them as a replacement.

[^9[DSS]Dahaka]

Originally posted by Dj DNA:

Originally posted by metafish:

Poster never said it made them OP to the point of straight-up outright finishing the level 'for them', but interpret it how you want. It's usually best to read & understand what's written, rather than projecting more than words; to each their own.

Your point is still nothing more than an opinion. If it wasn't, the devs likely would have already banned the mod if they considered it cheating.

He said it himself in his post. 100% accuracy and the mod is very infamous in the community. countless examples of people clearing E levels without shooting a single bullet with that mod alone.

Devs also dont allow that mod on the discord and have stated different times that the bots were made weak on purpose as you aren't supposed to play the whole game with them but just use them as a replacement.

Yeah, well, the devs also didn't bother to fix certain pretty bad bugs, so I guess who cares what mods they approve of or not. If beating he game with 3 OP bots is cheating, then beating the game while being carried by 3 amazing players is also cheating...