There are titles that offer both DX11 and DX12

[EchoSON]

I just saw the excuse for this game not having DX12 was that it doesn't want to prevent non windows 10 players from playing.

This is not an excuse ><
Many titles provide multiple DX versions on their games that you can select before launching.

[(ADORA)ble 🌈👊]

Budget. They're probably a small team with a small budget. Those games that let you choose between 11 and 12? Almost all of them have massive budgets.

[Full_Throttle_F14]

Then you would put all non windows 10 users at risk of having problematic software that we invested in.

[Banjotails]

Originally posted by Usmovers_02:

Budget. They're probably a small team with a small budget. Those games that let you choose between 11 and 12? Almost all of them have massive budgets.

Are you really saying that Frontier is a small company? They are not and this page gives a good run down on things as a whole, then you can also read the end of year report document.
https://craft.co/frontier-developments
https://www.frontier.co.uk/annual-report

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by Full_Throttle_F14:

Then you would put all non windows 10 users at risk of having problematic software that we invested in.

Incorrect

[(ADORA)ble 🌈👊]

Originally posted by Banjotails:

Originally posted by Usmovers_02:

Budget. They're probably a small team with a small budget. Those games that let you choose between 11 and 12? Almost all of them have massive budgets.

Are you really saying that Frontier is a small company? They are not and this page gives a good run down on things as a whole, then you can also read the end of year report document.
https://craft.co/frontier-developments
https://www.frontier.co.uk/annual-report

They're bigger than I thought. Still... even if Rockstar was to make a game in this genera they wouldn't give it a big budget. Too niche

[Vinolik]

DX12 is never going to happen in this game. They are a relatively small company with relatively limited resources and investing in upgrading to a new DirectX version does not make business sense

[iFred]

Let me guess - they have a 100 man team working on it. Oh no, that was Elite. Sorry. Performance in this game is a joke. 3000+ visitors in a big park, and the game is basically over.

[Vinolik]

Originally posted by ifred:

Performance in this game is a joke. 3000+ visitors in a big park, and the game is basically over.

Yep, and that is not going to change drastically for the forseeable future

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by Harald TippexMannen Hjalmarsson:

DX12 is never going to happen in this game. They are a relatively small company with relatively limited resources and investing in upgrading to a new DirectX version does not make business sense

Probably would have made sense actually...
Thousands of people are unhappy with the games performance, many refunded - many couldn't because the performance issues aren't apparent early in the game.

Many people including myself will be apprehensive about buying their next game because of this.
Some people will make a point of not buying it for this reason ^^

It doesn't make sense now no, its too late.
But it would have made sense either early into release or pre-release.

They aren't that small of a company at all, and the game has made more than enough money to justify the discussion about something like DX12 :)

Not that they'd do it now...
But the optimisation is dog ♥♥♥♥♥

[Vinolik]

Originally posted by EchoSON:

Thousands of people are unhappy with the games performance, many refunded - many couldn't because the performance issues aren't apparent early in the game.

And you base this on...? The tiny minority complaining and actually acting on the stuff they say (like refunding and not purchasing more producs) is so tiny, its just not something Frontier would (nor should) ever care about. Its the same with pretty much all games, the vocal minority does not matter from a business standpoint other than potentially bad PR

[GrandpaGriz]

they just need to bring it to ps4 and xbox one things would be great and you can not say it can not be done cities skyline is a very heavy ram and cpu game and it does pretty well on ps4 and xbox.

[Full_Throttle_F14]

Originally posted by EchoSON:

Originally posted by Full_Throttle_F14:

Then you would put all non windows 10 users at risk of having problematic software that we invested in.

Incorrect

Well yes, there is always a risk especially with a hefty move like that being introduced later in the game. Not to mention it might mess up TMTK items that are already available especially for DX12 users. I'm reminded of when RCTW did an engine update and it messed up quite a bit of items with graphical anomalies and transparent glass into opaque facades. If this was done in the game's infancy, great! The more choices the better if it pans out well. However I think in my opinion it would create quite a mess now.

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by Harald TippexMannen Hjalmarsson:

Originally posted by EchoSON:

Thousands of people are unhappy with the games performance, many refunded - many couldn't because the performance issues aren't apparent early in the game.

And you base this on...? The tiny minority complaining and actually acting on the stuff they say (like refunding and not purchasing more producs) is so tiny, its just not something Frontier would (nor should) ever care about. Its the same with pretty much all games, the vocal minority does not matter from a business standpoint other than potentially bad PR

Vocal minorities are exactly that - they do not represent the whole population of happy or unhappy people.

If 2000 people were vocal about being unhappy , you can safely say MUCH more people were unhappy and weren't vocal , as this is the case with anything of this nature.

Yes , that would also mean the vocal happy people are a minority - compared to the happy silent people.

And 99.9% of players would not be happy , that their parks break when they exceed a certain amount of guests regardless of hardware and graphical settings used.
Unless they are masochists...

And, it is not "so tiny" it's quite literally thousands of people - which amounts to thousands of sales, not tiny at all XD

A thousand unhappy customers can cost you ten thousand sales ( as a figure of speech )
There are lots of cases of just 1 unhappy customer costing companies millions through bad publicity , has happened quite often in the food industry - but the logic applies.

I've personally cost them at least 2 sales, excluding my own. :)

Originally posted by Full_Throttle_F14:

Originally posted by EchoSON:

Incorrect

Well yes, there is always a risk especially with a hefty move like that being introduced later in the game. Not to mention it might mess up TMTK items that are already available especially for DX12 users. I'm reminded of when RCTW did an engine update and it messed up quite a bit of items with graphical anomalies and transparent glass into opaque facades. If this was done in the game's infancy, great! The more choices the better if it pans out well. However I think in my opinion it would create quite a mess now.

I agree , at this point it's not worth the devs time or investment.
But the game clearly wasn't tested enough - or they tested and thought
" meh, the game gradually becomes unplayable ... oh well, they won't notice until its too late to refund "

It's a game where you can create and grow your own park ... until eventually you create and grow the park too much and it breaks.
DX12 aside , they should have optimised the game for DX11 during the development , keeping a check on the hardware usage, not let it run rampant and saying sod it to limitation.

[Vinolik]

Originally posted by EchoSON:

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People generally speak more loudly if they are disappointed than if they are pleased. That is a know fact. The negative vocal minority is ALWAYS overexagarated and not something a real business will ever abide to

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by Harald TippexMannen Hjalmarsson:

Originally posted by EchoSON:

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People generally speak more loudly if they are disappointed than if they are pleased. That is a know fact. The negative vocal minority is ALWAYS overexagarated and not something a real business will ever abide to

Nothing over exaggerated about the game / singular park - being unplayable after reaching a certain number of guests.
Nothing over exaggerated about it being poorly optimised / not at all optimised as it can and does reach the point of breaking through normal gameplay in a fairly short time.
Nothing I've said is over exaggerated actually.

Happy doesn't need fixing , disappointment does , and real businesses do in fact abide quite regularly to customer dissatisfaction.