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with new update , has anyone relised that they have made harder mode harder
they have min the loans from 10k-5k to 3k-1.5k this has made it impossiable to creat a harder mode park , if anyone has got a park up and running please let me know, need help
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Dakuwan 2016年12月20日 17時02分 
Play smarter...
Eh, how are you supposed to get the achievement to repay a 20k loan if you can no longer take out that much?
Dakuwan 2016年12月20日 19時22分 
Kamikaze Blaize の投稿を引用:
Eh, how are you supposed to get the achievement to repay a 20k loan if you can no longer take out that much?
Harder mode... Play easy mode...

Dakuwan の投稿を引用:
Kamikaze Blaize の投稿を引用:
Eh, how are you supposed to get the achievement to repay a 20k loan if you can no longer take out that much?
Harder mode... Play easy mode...

In other words, "git gud"?

And tell me, how is someone supposed to "git gud" without ACTUAL ADVICE?
VestedGamr の投稿を引用:
Dakuwan の投稿を引用:
Harder mode... Play easy mode...

In other words, "git gud"?

And tell me, how is someone supposed to "git gud" without ACTUAL ADVICE?

Harder mode just reduces the loans even more...but my point is that even on easy the max I'm seeing is 10k, even by taking three loans (10+5+3) out at once it doesn't add up to the 20k required for the achievement.
最近の変更はKamikaze Blaizeが行いました; 2016年12月20日 20時25分
I think I started my park with just Wild Blue. No drink, food, or toilet. I then added carousel when I had the money. I never even took a loan.

That was before the aging process was added though.
最近の変更はVoice From Beyondが行いました; 2016年12月20日 21時02分
thanks for your input guys, i made and sucussfully run a park on hard and harder mode , before the update harder mode a ♥♥♥♥♥, u place a ride then a year and half it old and they only want to pay 5.50 a ride because it to old now pointless iv tryed over 10 times , even tryed with a coaster to start by taking the loans and saved up for a kiddies coaster , had two coaster in the park as soon as i add wild blue , stright in the red and stayed there
JBV3737 2016年12月21日 18時10分 
I think loans are based on how much money you have? isn;t it? more money you got the more you can loan?
Dakuwan 2016年12月21日 18時56分 
JBV3737 の投稿を引用:
I think loans are based on how much money you have? isn;t it? more money you got the more you can loan?
No...
Raspina 2016年12月26日 12時22分 
I have the same problems. Although I managed to get 3 rides, a food, a drink and a hat shop (which means I was even able to do some research) I still didn't get any further. I've tried it so many damn times and it's getting really frustrating at this point.

Searching for youtube-videos doesn't help either, because they were all started before the update and they all got 10k and 5k loans, which isn't available anymore.

Simply writing " then play easy mode" isn't any help at all. I haven't found a single player/game/video yet, which shows a successfully way of beating harder mode after the latest update was published. Any link would be appreciated.
Have you tried switching to Park entry fees rather than ride tickets?
Harder mode isn't that hard. The biggest difficulty is they lower the peep generation. You can get more by utilizing scenery. Scenery AND rides ups your peep generation. You have to up your "park balance bonus". Aim to build a couple small roller coasters as soon as you can. they are your cash cows. Even as they age. Get the track scenery rating to "Very High".

In the early years, pay your employees a minimum. Let vendors quit everyday if you have too (pay them $25). Put lots of trash cans, and only hire a janitor "as needed". Same with mechanics. You need to save money anywhere you can. You will reach a point that you can start paying them enough to stay. But don't just max out their pay and training. Do it as needed.

First goal is to get one mechanic to level 5, and have all your rides inspected every 10 minutes. A level 5 mechanic has more effect on wear and tear, and fixing than a level 1 mechanic.

Reasearch items as needed. If you have two loans, pay one off as fast as possible.
Don't waste money on advertising. It doesn'g have as big an effect as a "easy" park. Genrally, the additional peeps just cover the cost of advertising, so, why bother?

Harder mode is only tedious for the first year or so. You are short on staff, and have to watch as rides breakdown, and quickly hire a mechanic, and pay him nothing. He'll quit. Keep an eye on your shops. Generally, mine have always quit at night time, and I just reopen all the shops, and lower their pay. But like I said, you'll reach a point you can pay them a little more, and they will quit eevery two days. You'll reach a point you can pay them fairly and they will stay. Then it's pretty smooth sailing after that.
最近の変更はBitter Jewelerが行いました; 2016年12月26日 22時24分
Raspina 2016年12月27日 14時42分 
Yes, I tried that. I switched to park entry fees, I managed to get 3 rides and some shops, of course with 100% scenery, I never paid my staff and employed new ones each month.

After building the first ride I have to get my first loan, because there aren't that much peeps even with 100% scenery in the park and after a short period the ride is too old and doesn't attract enough anymore.

I never get to build a rollercoaster, because I never got to the point of having enough money. I don't do advertising and I don't research stuff I don't build, because I couldn't afford that, not even once.

Every video or guide I have watched or read was before the update, where they could get 10k and 5k loans. Sure with that backup it would be a lot easier to start.

And yes, I made a lot of savegames so see which direction would let me survive longer, but nonetheless there is a point where it really gets frustrating, because it's not playing anymore.

I play parks on easier difficulties, but that's not a challenge. I can understand that challenges should be hard and I don't want them to change it at all. I just would like to be able to reproduce a so-called working strategy.
VestedGamr の投稿を引用:
Dakuwan の投稿を引用:
Harder mode... Play easy mode...

In other words, "git gud"?

And tell me, how is someone supposed to "git gud" without ACTUAL ADVICE?

I posted some really good advice on a similar thread regaurding smart borrowing. It's similar to real life economics. The key to borrowing is to only borrow money if you your cash flow EXCEEDS the minimum payment of the loan times 3. Dont borrow money you cant pay back. From what I understand is that just like in real life, you can get bigger loans by increasing your "credit score". How do you do this in game? Well, smart-borrow as many loans as you can, then pay them off. Pretty soon you will notice that BIGGER loans will be available.. That's what happened to me, then again I was playing on "hard mode" so i dont know if this is exclusive to hard mode or not. I simply didnt take out the 20k loan because I couldnt afford it. Dont just borrow money cuz you can. Loans ARE NOT bail outs. They ARE NOT grants. THEY DO HAVE interest, your cash flow has to EXCEED interest. That's good advice is it not? IT's certainly not "git gud".
Raspina の投稿を引用:
Yes, I tried that. I switched to park entry fees, I managed to get 3 rides and some shops, of course with 100% scenery, I never paid my staff and employed new ones each month.

After building the first ride I have to get my first loan, because there aren't that much peeps even with 100% scenery in the park and after a short period the ride is too old and doesn't attract enough anymore.

I never get to build a rollercoaster, because I never got to the point of having enough money. I don't do advertising and I don't research stuff I don't build, because I couldn't afford that, not even once.

Every video or guide I have watched or read was before the update, where they could get 10k and 5k loans. Sure with that backup it would be a lot easier to start.

And yes, I made a lot of savegames so see which direction would let me survive longer, but nonetheless there is a point where it really gets frustrating, because it's not playing anymore.

I play parks on easier difficulties, but that's not a challenge. I can understand that challenges should be hard and I don't want them to change it at all. I just would like to be able to reproduce a so-called working strategy.

oh bro, that's why youre messing up. Hiring new staff every month will HURT revenues. your shops will constantly shut down. You are not playing smart, you are just being cheap and cutting corners. Good thing this is a game where employees are not real people. you would be in prison by now! Okay, write me a message bro, I can help you balance your budget. it sounds like your prioritizing saving money over actual profit. What you should be doing is putting money into marketing, and charging very little for entry prices. Then charge like 10-20 bucks per ticket ride. 12 bucks for commodities. ATMS everywhere, with 1.25 "fees" and charge for bathrooms at a dollar a pop. Put drink shops everywhere, with bathrooms right next to them. Place your exits right next to your ride entrances. you will be back in the green in no time. Create cheaper family passes but market exclusively to teens and adults! sell priority passes too. Only use loans to buy new shops and rides, dont use loans to "get out of the red" you will just waste the fricken loan as soon as you hit play. if you need any more advice or details add me and send me a message k?
Raspina 2016年12月27日 17時06分 
Writing "I tried that" doesn't mean that I haven't used/tested other strategies before or after. I just wrote down the strategy which let me survive the longest so far.

Your advice of putting drink shops everywhere with bathrooms next to them makes me wonder if you have really run a successful park on harder mode, which lasted longer than one or two years. With your money from the start you can only build one ride and scenery.
So where do you find the money to build your shops, do marketing and above all find people who are willing to pay 10-20 bucks per ticket ride for a longer time without focussing on saving some money here and there?
Btw I actually pay my vendors to keep the shops running, but yes I also tried the strategy of paying nothing to them (like on janitors and mechanics), which means I had to reopen the shops at the end of the month and hire new staff. That didn't affect me really worse, but I had a few hundreds more on the bank with it to buy/build new things (sooner).

But thanks for making it clear that this is a game. I always forget that and do all the stuff I do in games also in real life. You saved me from prison, 'bro'...

But for now I will wait for a video with actual proof on beating harder mode since the latest updates. Until then enjoy your holidays and a Happy New Year ;-)
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