December update 2020

[Hayde]

Wow, 1 out of 3 attempts to start a new sandbox actually succeeds without crashing! ...and now my tropical islands snowing. The trees are covered in snow. How clever and festive.

How to I turn it the F*@k off? >:(

Don't you think you have more important priorities. I mean, thanks for returning building priorities and all like the franchise had for 20 years. Umm..."progress?" How kind of you. But...snow?

I am really starting to *hate* this development company. You keep finding ways to murder Tropico. You sure do waste a lot of resources to do it.

Anway, turn off the f***ing snow.

[Simon]

You can do it settings. It's not obvious enough.

Now take a breath and relax.

[Hayde]

Originally posted by Simon:

You can do it settings. It's not obvious enough.

Now take a breath and relax.

Thanks, agreed, and wow that's what I thought I was doing by trying to load up a game this morning. But it crashed. Again. So since oppressing a tropical nation has been denied me, I guess breathing and relaxation meditation is all I have left. Which I could have done without paying kalypso $60.

Originally posted by Aturchomicz:

Again with this Question?

Hmmm...so one might infer my sentiment is more than isolated and has marketing implications. One might hope kalypso is noting it as such. Thanks for the helpful screenshot.

[Kunovega]

Holiday themes for autumn and winter are not new in the December update, they've been part of the game for two years now and the ability to turn them off has been in options since 2019

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Hayde:

Wow, 1 out of 3 attempts to start a new sandbox actually succeeds without crashing! ...and now my tropical islands snowing. The trees are covered in snow. How clever and festive.

How to I turn it the F*@k off? >:(

Don't you think you have more important priorities. I mean, thanks for returning building priorities and all like the franchise had for 20 years. Umm..."progress?" How kind of you. But...snow?

I am really starting to *hate* this development company. You keep finding ways to murder Tropico. You sure do waste a lot of resources to do it.

Anway, turn off the f***ing snow.

And what development company are you blaming?

Kalypso is a publisher, not the developer. And the Tropico series has had 2 publishers and 5 different developers. In fact the current developer isn't even the one that created Tropico 6, they took over from the ones that did. (and neither of the ones that worked on 6 had anything to do with 1 through 5)

Tropico 1 publisher Gathering of Developers developer PopTop Software
Tropico 2 publisher Gathering of Developers developer Frog City Software

Tropico 3 publisher Kalypso Media developer Haemimont Games
Tropico 4 publisher Kalypso Media developer Haemimont Games
Tropico 5 publisher Kalypso Media developer Haemimont Games

Tropico 6 publisher Kalypso Media developer Limbic Entertainment (2019) and replaced by Realmforge Studios in late 2020 (first release Caribbean Skies)

Realmforge didn't make the game but has done a substantial amount of bug fixes and improvements in the short time they've had control of it. You're angry of a Winter Snow update that they didn't even create, that was the previous developer and there's been a way to turn it off for two years now.

There's also been 3 different engines so it's not like 5 or 6 even had the originals to build on, only the first 4 were direct updates built on top of each other.

[Hayde]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

Originally posted by Hayde:

Wow, 1 out of 3 attempts to start a new sandbox actually succeeds without crashing! ...and now my tropical islands snowing. The trees are covered in snow. How clever and festive.

How to I turn it the F*@k off? >:(

Don't you think you have more important priorities. I mean, thanks for returning building priorities and all like the franchise had for 20 years. Umm..."progress?" How kind of you. But...snow?

I am really starting to *hate* this development company. You keep finding ways to murder Tropico. You sure do waste a lot of resources to do it.

Anway, turn off the f***ing snow.

And what development company are you blaming?

Kalypso is a publisher, not the developer. And the Tropico series has had 2 publishers and 5 different developers. In fact the current developer isn't even the one that created Tropico 6, they took over from the ones that did. (and neither of the ones that worked on 6 had anything to do with 1 through 5)

Tropico 1 publisher Gathering of Developers developer PopTop Software
Tropico 2 publisher Gathering of Developers developer Frog City Software

Tropico 3 publisher Kalypso Media developer Haemimont Games
Tropico 4 publisher Kalypso Media developer Haemimont Games
Tropico 5 publisher Kalypso Media developer Haemimont Games

Tropico 6 publisher Kalypso Media developer Limbic Entertainment (2019) and replaced by Realmforge Studios in late 2020 (first release Caribbean Skies)

Realmforge didn't make the game but has done a substantial amount of bug fixes and improvements in the short time they've had control of it. You're angry of a Winter Snow update that they didn't even create, that was the previous developer and there's been a way to turn it off for two years now.

There's also been 3 different engines so it's not like 5 or 6 even had the originals to build on, only the first 4 were direct updates built on top of each other.

Didn't identify kalypso as the developer when I invoked their attention with address, now did I?

Somewhere in the numerous thousands of purchasers there's no possibility of one encountering seasonal settings for the first time this year? Is your implication that any reasonable gamer would have figured all this out by now and is a zoo oddity of ignorance for only encountering it and complaining now?

Maybe so. I travel internationally a fair bit and my blocks of time to marathon games are spotty. But here I am in Peru with some time to kill, in December as fate would have it, where it's summer and also incidentally not snowing. Where wide highways stretching across waterways would actually take time to construct rather than magically *poof* appear--which is only partly why you actually don't see them down here too often. Neither did Peru steal Stonehenge. But you know what you can find in the grocery store? Papayas!

I used to could find papayas in Tropico. I also had to wait a smidge for construction workers to actually build roads in Tropico as well. And those roads with 20 year old graphics looked a lot more like real Latin American roads than they do now: pristine first world highways--and somehow Peru also got by without stealing the wonders of the world. I used to have to struggle to fend off invasions of Tropico. Now I can be Dr Evil with geopolitical impunity.

So I hope someone puts all the information in your swaggering list to use to figure out how to get Tropico back to Latin America. [ATTN: KALYPSO] I hope the statute of limitations hasn't expired since I didn't have adequate time to ♥♥♥♥♥ about it 2 years ago.

[Kunovega]

There's no Tropico game where you had to wait for roads to be built, I'm not even sure you are comparing the correct series.

The rest of my post was to simply point out that the developers (and game engine) have changed constantly, and you ignored the fact that I asked you what developer you were even trying to blame for the 20 year history you were ranting about since the current developer didn't even make the current game or the snow that you are complaining about.

[Hayde]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

There's no Tropico game where you had to wait for roads to be built, I'm not even sure you are comparing the correct series..

What was this game called again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kt5ipuDFMI (10:12 seconds in...note the road outlay is in yellow...not yet constructed. At 25:22 you can watch the construction worker finally getting around to making it brown.)

Originally posted by Kunovega:

The rest of my post was to simply point out that the developers (and game engine) have changed constantly, and you ignored the fact that I asked you what developer you were even trying to blame for the 20 year history you were ranting about since the current developer didn't even make the current game or the snow that you are complaining about.

Yes please, do consider your question ignored. It is utterly irrelevant to my ire and to composing a solution. There's a straw that broke the camel back, today it's whoever decided to waste time under the delusion snow makes Tropico a better game experience. But at this point it is a big mountainous legacy of missteps whose creative direction has obscured whatever design and technical advances we're supposed to be enjoying. At least those of you whose game isn't crashing are supposedly enjoying.

[Kunovega]

So you're mad a company (Limbic) who didn't make the original (they only made 6) and are also no longer working on 6 (since it's taken over by Realmforge) you've still managed to miss the point, you're angry at a company that had nothing to do with past tropicos and is already removed from the current one. Mainly because you are angry over a minor update that was put in 2 years ago that you also have the option to shut off.

And the road mechanic hasn't worked that way in nearly 20 years and 4 developers ago, how many of these have you played?

Sounds to me like you are angry over nothing and are just directing your anger at people who don't even have anything to do with the game anymore.

[Hayde]

Now who's ignoring the stated?

Ostensibly someone is still around to take responsibility for the product. Being the inbox for upset customers is their job.

Unless they're content to hide behind your ancillary distractions and false claims. I prefer to hope their working on my crash reports.

You've become entirely ignorable. Feel free to embarrass yourself further with the last word if you so desire.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Hayde:

Now who's ignoring the stated?

Ostensibly someone is still around to take responsibility for the product. Being the inbox for upset customers is their job.

Unless they're content to hide behind your ancillary distractions and false claims. I prefer to hope their working on my crash reports.

You've become entirely ignorable. Feel free to embarrass yourself further with the last word if you so desire.

You got mad at "a developer", all I did was ask which developer you were even trying to blame. You haven't managed to answer that.

The new one that didn't make the game? Or the old ones that aren't here anymore? Or the current publisher that isn't the original publisher and also isn't the developer?

You simply don't make any sense with your undirected anger.

[Imi]

Hi Hayde,

I am sorry to hear that you don't like the Snow of the winter event.. I think its quite funny (yea, it doesn't fit.. but... Tropico was never really a serious no-joking economy simulation.. stealing the White House? :D).

As you found out now, you can turn it off, if you don't like these seasonal events.

As for your crash, I _think_ I found the crash reports in the database from you (thanks for using "Send and Close"! :-) ). Am I correct that you are running a notebook with an Intel integrated graphic card and with a shared memory of 8 GB RAM between your CPU and GPU? That's a bit steep for Tropico 6, I am afraid. It may run, but its below the minimum spec, so it may also crash some times ;(. Your crashes were from a category of crashes that happen most often on systems near or below the minimum specification. Try turning everything to lowest settings might help. :-|

[Hayde]

Originally posted by Imi:

Hi Hayde,

I am sorry to hear that you don't like the Snow of the winter event.. I think its quite funny (yea, it doesn't fit.. but... Tropico was never really a serious no-joking economy simulation.. stealing the White House? :D).

As you found out now, you can turn it off, if you don't like these seasonal events.

As for your crash, I _think_ I found the crash reports in the database from you (thanks for using "Send and Close"! :-) ). Am I correct that you are running a notebook with an Intel integrated graphic card and with a shared memory of 8 GB RAM between your CPU and GPU? That's a bit steep for Tropico 6, I am afraid. It may run, but its below the minimum spec, so it may also crash some times ;(. Your crashes were from a category of crashes that happen most often on systems near or below the minimum specification. Try turning everything to lowest settings might help. :-|

Thanks for your time and attention, and I will review the specs. Yes, thanks to the constructive posters above, the off switch for snow was located. Being advised it is an option one can turn off sure helped improve my mood. If it's a coincidence the subsequent load succeeded, it was a happy one. The fact this issue cropped up after the most recent update and execution of the snow weather may yet be post-hoc-ergo-proctor-hoc; however this machine was pricey and new when T6 was launched and no such issue has cropped up before suggesting such a flirtation with obsolescence.

Thank you for addressing the issue of comedic tone of the franchise, and yes I agree. Yet in the past it was entirely or almost entirely expositional, or at worst the silly premise to some skipable scenarios, while the core game mechanics were serious and somber enough to make that exposition an unapologetic black comedy about realpolitik contrasted with guileless, hearty, and hopeful music with compelling percussion and haunting vocals.

But here we are stealing wonders of the world as a sandbox game mechanic in a Tropico game and undermining the credibility of its tension of geopolitical calculus, to say the least. To ever-so-relaxing music befitting an elevator or grocery store. You (the poor schleps in charge and now holding the bag for whomever signed off on turning Tropico into "Evil Genius" except Evil Genius had livelier music) *jumped the shark.* Y'all need to be aware at least some segment of your *target audience* that was willing to trust in this brand's quality control of creative direction is LOST. I will **not** be in front of the line to buy Tropico 7. For the first time ever, I will wait an awfully long time to learn about the game before even considering a purchase. You(*) have engendered some negative emotions in your heretofore loyal customer base who'd otherwise be willing to handle technical issues with more dispassion.

I hope that's something your team decides to address. Soberly. With papayas. If you really want to get on my good side, throw in some mangos, feel free to make traffic jams harder to avoid a'la T3 (but give the lightweights road upgrades to spend a heck of a lot of money to dig out of traffic jams--and yes we should have to wait for such miraculous infrastructure project to get built,) give me back my almanac records going back decades, advertise unit production rates for farms and conversion ratios for industrial processing so we can make informed policy decisions again, maybe having half the faction leaders being caucasian Americans was a bad idea in the first place and it's time to admit it, and otherwise convince me y'all have actually seen and love Latin America again like Tropico used to do. Like it inspired me to travel and see it for myself. Maybe that's more urgent than you thought it was. More urgent than drones. (Drones? really??)

Thanks again for having the class to show up in the line of fire and demonstrate accountability.

[Baron von Tansley]

I want to throw in my opinion as well and agree that I dislike the "goofy" nature that Tropico has dove into over the years. Some of the DLCs for 4/5/6 just felt silly and I would much rather have serious content that adds new production lines or mechanics... even bringing back the old background system or a renovation of the combat system. (I would love to see some barrack specialization upgrades, like the choice of giving a specific squad a machine-gun for a bonus against enemy infantry or a rocket launcher for a bonus against tanks) When I saw that the next DLC was drones I was pretty disappointed. That is to say, some funny business isn't bad, it just feels like Tropico as a series has gone too far to that side... in my opinion!

I also agree with Hayde that there seems to be a lot of missing information, especially for production/industrial facilities. It would be really helpful to note stuff like, how much sugar would this plantation produce if I placed it in this specific zone? Also, how many units of sugar go into a unit of rum? I feel like this information should be in-game and readily accessible.

[WhosYourDaddy]

My input, for what it's worth is this, I have agreements with most posts here as well as disagreements since most go back and forth. Give me this, take that away ... some even whine about the music (come on man or woman), turn the music off ... it's in the options section of the menu.

... Get rid of the snow or make it optional
... You were told from the beginning if you purchased this game from Steam that it was not a continuing saga but a complete rebuild with all of the positive and added content.

If you didn't read it then shame on you. The people who released the content told you this, the developer did what their job was and you bought it.

Play the game or don't play it ... make suggestions for improvement ... don't whine like a baby because you didn't get exactly what you wanted, instead you got what they said you would get.

Constructive criticism gets much further than crying.

Just my humble opinion

[edcote]

Holy thread necro, Batman.