How powerful is The Last Dragonborn?

[Fabi]

Ok it's Sunday, my girlfriend isn't around and the weather here in Germany is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as f*ck.

So what to do with these nasty hours?

Right, you can delve into the absurdly detailed lore of 'The Elder Scrolls' (again). :D

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Topic of the day:

How powerful is the last Dragonborn compared to other powerful beings in the lore and how powerful could he or she theoretically become through the Thu'um?

Could he/she win a battle with the Hero of Kvatch or the Nerevarine?

Of course, it's important to only refer to the lore, otherwise it won't make any sense. Character level, equipment or a stealth skill of 100 are not taken into account here.
You got what I mean...right?

And it is also important to consider: The game itself cannot hope to show the power of the voice due to several limitations of the 'aged' engine.

Just as a guide, the Greybeards were able to unleash a massive earthquake when they called the Dragonborn to them. Without the explicitly assigned divine gift of the voice, without Miraak's power and dozens (or hundreds) of Dragon souls, and without the ability of (possibly) being a Shezzarine.

[Dallas S]

Diposting pertama kali oleh alexander_dougherty:

Diposting pertama kali oleh morikaane:

I think the Last Dragonborn is a mortal avatar of Lorkhan (aka a Shezarrine)--so that makes them a very powerful god-like being.

Diposting pertama kali oleh psychotron666:

It's widely believed that all the protagonists of the games are shezzarines. Their power comes in the form of saving and loading their game lol. See the lore of The Prisoner.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hero

Dragonborn has a DRAGON SOUL.
Dragon souls come from AKATOSH.
Akatosh and Lorkhan are rival deities.
Dragonborn is an avatar of Akatosh not Lorkhan.

And Talos was 2/3rd dragonborn who mantled lorkhan.

[Sabaithal]

Well the Last Dragonborn killed the apocalyptic being that was supposed to destroy the entire world. So that makes them more powerful than that.

Anything else can be argued with symantics since all side-quests are "not necessarily canon" as if anything the player does applies in that context at all.

[alexander_dougherty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dallas S:

Diposting pertama kali oleh alexander_dougherty:

Dragonborn has a DRAGON SOUL.
Dragon souls come from AKATOSH.
Akatosh and Lorkhan are rival deities.
Dragonborn is an avatar of Akatosh not Lorkhan.

And Talos was 2/3rd dragonborn who mantled lorkhan.

Mantling is different.
Not that Avatar means the same thing in TES universe that it means in our universe.

But Talos chose to mantle Lorkhan, well actually he mantled two people who were mantling Lorkhan but that's a techniticality.... He was an Avatar of Akatosh because he had a Dragon Soul. The fact he mantled Lorkhan was a CHOICE he made, he wasn't an Avatar of Lorkhan, he didn't have to have anything to do with Lorkhan, he CHOSE to mantle him....

To reiterate, Dragonborns are Avatars of Akatosh, they are not Avatars of Lorkhan, it's Sezzarines who are Avatars of Lorkhan. There is no way (currently until Bethesda rewrite the lore again) for someone to be an Avatar of both gods.

[theo]

Compared to characters that achieved CHIM and became living gods, or to nerevarine, or to hero of kvatch as Sheogorath, meh pretty weak. Can't even levitate.
That said, maybe dragonborn's power journey hasn't ended with the events of Skyrim

[theo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh alexander_dougherty:

There is no way (currently until Bethesda rewrite the lore again) for someone to be an Avatar of both gods.

Nonsense

[alexander_dougherty]

Diposting pertama kali oleh theo:

Diposting pertama kali oleh alexander_dougherty:

There is no way (currently until Bethesda rewrite the lore again) for someone to be an Avatar of both gods.

Nonsense

No it isn't.

Being an Avatar of Lorkhan or Akatosh is a matter of your soul being formed from a shard of their soul (presumably deliberately).
This is different from you chosing to mantle them and become them.

[Dallas S]

Diposting pertama kali oleh alexander_dougherty:

Diposting pertama kali oleh theo:

Nonsense

No it isn't.

Being an Avatar of Lorkhan or Akatosh is a matter of your soul being formed from a shard of their soul (presumably deliberately).
This is different from you chosing to mantle them and become them.

There's contested lore on this.

Balgruuf claims wulfarth was a dragonborn. And wulfarth was in fact a shezzarine.

Most dragonborn are dragonborn based on their Bloodline (though some have achieved it after the fact, like hjalti Early-beard or Alessia). There's nothing in lore that says certain bloodlines can't be shezzarines.

[Fabi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sdack:

So how powerful is the Dragonborn when compared to other heros like Superman, Black Adam, Dr. Strange, the Green Lantern or Deadpool?

I bet the Dragonborn could take on Stargirl, Spiderman, and Aquaman (when not in water).

I don't think it's really possible to make a comparison like that. After all, we are talking about two completely different multiverses here. Different creation myths and religions, completely different abilities and powers and a different starting point of the cause of how these worlds came into being.

[Valden21]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fabi:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sdack:

So how powerful is the Dragonborn when compared to other heros like Superman, Black Adam, Dr. Strange, the Green Lantern or Deadpool?

I bet the Dragonborn could take on Stargirl, Spiderman, and Aquaman (when not in water).

I don't think it's really possible to make a comparison like that. After all, we are talking about two completely different multiverses here. Different creation myths and religions, completely different abilities and powers and a different starting point of the cause of how these worlds came into being.

Not to mention that the power levels of comic book characters often fluctuate depending on who's writing them and what point in their publication history you're using for comparison.
For example, Superman in the 30's only had super-speed, super-strength, and insane jumping abilities; writers didn't give him his complete suite of abilities, the ones we associate with him today, until later on.

Honestly, comparing the main characters of any TES game to a comic book character is like trying to compare Star Trek and Star Wars. Different rules, different universes. Unless some ground rules are laid out and people stick to said rules, it just doesn't work.

[Smugass Braixen-Chan]

Compared to the heroes in earlier games, the Dragonborn is EXTREMELY weak.

It is the Linear Fighter vs. Quadratic Wizard problem.

Sure. The Dragonborn has the Thuum. But no amount of Fus Ro Dah-ing will ever match the Eternal Champion's (Arena) ability to fling nukes from her hands at will. And for practically no mana because she just absorbs the nuclear energy back into herself so she can throw another nuke. She's also completely invisible, and even if you DO see her somehow, she just says "Nah" to that, casts Sanctuary, and suddenly you become unable to attack her until she decides to throw a nuke at you.

You do have access to magic in Skyrim, but not even Master Level spells come close to the sheer power of the magic from earlier games.

[EASY PETE]

Godlike

[Nina_Mercer]

The dragonborn could probably easily beat the nerevarine(from how little i played morrowind), would easily squash Sheogorath/The Hero of Kvatch, however. They might be sheogorath, but if you do that DLC questline first, and then attack Mehrunes Dagon near the end of the main questline... they can't even put a scratch on him. Meanwhile the dragonborn outright KILLS Alduin, the same Alduin who has beaten Mehrunes Dagon on multiple occasions. Based on that alone, the LDB xelee stomps the HKV any day of the week.