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What does Nexus actually do for creators? barely anything that can not be provided by other sites and services (many do it better)
So why should creators give when there is just a parasite relationship?
Nexus's actions though did create a clear cut illustration why creators shouldn't share their creations... because of the way the community acts when denied a candy
Not sure if you are just dense, or trolling. The author GIVES to the community their hard work and hundreds if not thousands of hours of their life which they can never get back or even get paid for. The user gives nothing and usually just complains to the author about the free mods.
When you upload your mod to a site for sharing, people will start using it. This means you are responsible for the mod, including maintaining it and such. And you outright removing a mod can put users in a very problematic position. They're 90% of the people on these sites, you can't just pretend that their viewpoint doesn't matter.
Nexus is enacting this "no deletion instant" policy, probably to try and avoid this particular situation. If you want to stop maintaining your mod, fine, that doesn't immediately harm users as is. You can be understanding of why this was put in place, or you can withdraw your mods because you don't want to be a part of this community any longer. Those are your options.
The equation is not equal
What does that 90 percent give to the community?
That is the problem, if you give nothing to a community..... are you really part of it?
The no deletion policy is going to bite them in the rear. There is a reason Steam doesn't have one... the legal issues.
And you don't see people screaming and throwing fits when it happens. They either find out if the author is sharing elsewhere or find a replacement. Even if it means a collection is missing a key component now.
If I release something in a as is state, the user accepts it is as is. It might get updated, it might not. It's a free product given with no promise of updates or support...
Expecting it to be treated as something you paid for is... well.. easy to figure out
This isn't one-sidedly about "who contributes more", every major groups viewpoint has to be considered. The mod authors, the mod users, and the site admins. If you don't, the community dies.
The problem I'm seeing here is that everyone only wants to see one perspective and not seriously consider the others. This "no deletion" thing is a compromise to help solve a problem, nothing more nothing less.
It's a solution for a minor problem that has created a major problem. Because only two sides were considered .. users and nexus. With one of those driving away creators far more than the one that's making half hearted attempts to stem the flow of people leaving.
The users have to respect the creators, or the content never gets released.
The equation is skewed towards creators in regards to the burden. Because without the creators there is no sites or users.
The creators can all pack up and still mod their games, without sharing to a "community" that treats them like they are beholden to provide AAA support, and to just bend over and take it when a site acts stupid because "users would be inconvenienced" The same users that are throwing tantrums upto and including death threats because they are denied the work of the creators.
Selfish is assuming that the creators are supposed to just suck it up and deal. Nexus decided to say deal or leave... so they are leaving in many cases. Now nexus is realizing that they caused an exodus that can easily spiral into a death spiral for their site.
Modders are moving to other sites (or just not using nexus anymore)
Nobody is entitled to their work in perpetuity, any more than they are entitled to updates/fixes for the free content that was shared
Nexus and the "community" failed to see it from the creator's side and now have to deal with it. To the point both dismissed the concerns of the creators... without whom there is nothing.
So when you drive away the creators, there is nothing for nexus to host... or the "users" to download. But the creators can still make the mods, and use other sites if they choose to share it. The creators are not losing anything by leaving..
So yes the equation is one-sided. Because you remove creators and it's a zero sum equation...
Nexus takes away the "delete" button, and people feel the compulsion to write entire paragraphs about how their rights are being violated. Sorry, but I've heard enough of whining that I'm becoming apathetic to it.
If you really want to delete your stuff that bad, you can always just "update" the mod with an empty ESP that has no data, and no name.
And a few mod authors are moving to others sites, but I've noticed an overwhelming majority of mods are still here. So clearly a majority of mod authors are understanding of the situation, or don't care. So stop being so dramatic. There, I said it, and I'm done with this discussion.
But you are a prime example of how little consideration was given to the creators. And an example of why there are many leaving or not using nexus anymore.
There are already new versions of various mods on other sites, with outdated versions or empty ones on Nexus.
But the whines from angry user that gave nothing to the community is far worse. When you provide nothing... why are you part of the equation? Because you want the stuff others create.
A parasitic relationship is what Nexus and the user base have created. And it kills the host in the long term.
I mean, once you upload something to the internet, it's there forever. Someone somewhere will always have a copy of that work and unless you're trying to take it down because you violated someone else's copyright without permission (looking at you, janky Russian modders who put stuff behind pay walls) then what's the point of deleting the file?
If you don't want to support it, do like I do with my mods; put a big fat disclaimer that the mod will not be supported and open permissions are given as long as credit is given (or in my case, sometimes I don't even want credit because I'm just tweaking something small that takes 5 minutes to do). If you want to use your mods as a political platform, tough ♥♥♥♥, grow up and realize that games aren't typically the right platform to do that on anyhow - primarily because, for example, let's look at ApolloDown and his objection to a certain President being elected in 2016; not everyone who uses his mods is American and have absolutely zero control over the situation.
And in other cases you have Arthurmoor who was just being excessively rude to the community and spiteful to the Skyrim VR modders by removing old versions of USEEP which worked with VR.
And as for donations? Modders don't really get many donations to begin with, if any. So that's also not really a variable.
So in short, there is basically no valid reason except a legal one involving copyright infringement to remove a mod. Pretty much all other reasons for removing a mod are either childish or short sighted - which is something that the Skyrim modding community has struggled with for a very long time compared to say, Minecraft.
With that being said, I HATE Nexus. The servers go down a lot and the staff just don't care if there's service interruptions for premium members - so with premium price increases and their total lack of accountability as an organization combined with their near monopoly on mods...it's not a healthy environment to introduce mod packs...which I think are a great idea...but not if they're paywalled behind an expensive membership on servers that go down faster than my prom date after 5 shots of tequila. Robin and most of his staff are just not responsible business owners and respond to criticism the way a 8 year old would; very, very poorly.
yeah this is how ♥♥♥♥ like this always gets worse when concerns and complaints get called whining or crying. you stop complaining and they think that they can do whatever they want without push back because it's "just" this and "only" that stop you need to stop being a "big baby" yeah naaah
Depending on the mod but a lot of these mod authors don't have any rights as they're using Bethesda assets to develop their mods. This means that by Bethesda's EULA; those mods 1) belong to Bethesda and 2) the mod author doesn't hold copyright to their mod.
There are exceptions to this but they're largely DLL files or SKSE or other things of that nature which were developed independently of Bethesda assets.