Not sure if this is the right place to get help but....

[Ninjy]

I need help with modding.
I can get to the start menu just fine but when I try to start a new game, my game crashes.
Apologies for the long list but I'm posting both my mod order and plugin order (after the Skyrim DLC and AE stuff.)

Is it something with my load order on either? And I can't quite figure out what mod/mods are causing the issue either.

Mods:
1. Address Library for SKSE Plugins
2. Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch - USSEP
3. powerofthree's Tweaks
4. Bug Fixes SSE
5. Animation Queue Fix
6. SkyUI
7. powerofthree's Papyrus Extender
8. MCM Helper
9. Animation Motion Revolution
10. Spell Perk Item Distributor
11. Dynamic Animation Replacer
12. Paired Animation Improvements
13. Open Animation Replacer
14. EVG Animated Traversal
15. SkyClimb
16. Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE
17. SkyUI SE - Flashing Savegames Fix
18. RaceMenu
19. A Quality World Map
20. dMenu
21. Wheeler - Quick Action Wheel Of Skyrim
22. Show Player In Menus
23. Constructible Object Custom Keyword System
24. Achievements Mods Enabler
25. TrueHUD - HUD Additions
26. Static Mesh Improvement Mod
27. JK's Skyrim
28. JK's Whiterun Outskirts
29. JK's Solitude Outskirts
30. JK's Markarth Outskirts
31. JK's Riften Outskirts
32. JK's Windhelm Outskirts
33. JK's High Hrothgar
34. JK's Sky Haven Temple
35. JK's College of Winterhold
36. Obsidian Weathers and Seasons
37. Realistic Water Two SE
38. Fabled Forests
39. Northern Roads
40. Unmarked Locations Pack
41. Unmarked Locations Pack Fixes
42. Rawlith - A Khajiit Home
43. Khajiit Campsite
44. Goblins and Riekrs- Mihail Monsters and Animals (SE-AE version)
45. Skeletal Revenants- Mihail Monsters and Animals (SE-AE version) (''undead'')
46. ElSopa - Potions Redone
47. Ryn's Dragon Mounds Collection
48. Rudy - More dramatic Red Mountain Plume
49. Better Argonian Horns
50. Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim
51. Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim
52. Meridia's Order
53. Memorable Bounties - Witcher Inspired Quests
54. SIRENROOT - Deluge of Deceit
55. There Is No Umbra - Chapter III
56. Grief
57. Children of the Hist - An Argonian NPC Overhaul
58. DIVERSE SKYRIM SSE
59. INIGO
60. Sa'chil - Custom Voiced Khajiit Follower
61. Val Serano
62. M'rissi's Tails of Troubles SE
63. Khajiit Will Follow
64. Cloaks of Skyrim SSE
65. Slof's Fluffy Khajiit Tails SSE
66. Sentinel - An Equipment Overhaul
67. Immersive Weapons
68. Thane Weapons Reborn
69. InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack
70. VickusDickus' Khajiiti Apex Armory Reforged
71. Zim's Immersive Artifacts
72. Aetherium Armor and Weapons Compilation by lautasantenni
73. Immersive Armors
74. Moon Monk's Robes
75. Lunar Guard Armor
76. Armor Variants Expansion
77. Traveler's Armor Pack - Visually Upgradeable Outfit - Vanilla - CBBE
78. Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul
79. Immersive Patrols SE AE
80. Diverse Dragons Collection SE (DDCse)
81. Stones of Barenziah Quest Markers
82. Ordinator 50% more points
83. Ordinator Thief Skills Rebalance
84. VickusDickus' Khajiiti Apex Armory Rebalanced Redux
85. ApocalypseOrdinator Compatibility Patch
86. JK's Skyrim Realistic water two patch
87. Inigo - Bloodchill Manor patch
88. Unmarked Locations Ryn's Dragon Mounds Patch
89. JKs Guild HQ Interiors Patch Collection


Plugins:
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
DMKhajiitHaus.esl
evgSIRENROOT.esm
JK's College of Winterhold.esp
KhajiitWillFollow.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
TrueHUD.esl
EVGAnimatedTraversal.esl
SkyClimb.esp
RaceMenu.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
MCMHelper.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - CC - Goldbrand Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - Khajiit Will Follow Patch.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - USSEP patch.esp
50 More Perk Points.esp
AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
Apex_Khajiit.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
AVExpansion.esp
AX ValSerano.esp
AX ValSerano-USSEP.esp
AX ValSerano-CC.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
BetterArgonianHorns.esp
Cloaks.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - Cloaks Patch.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
evgSIRENROOTtraversalpatch.esp
Fabled Forests.esp
FloatingSwordFollower.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - There Is No Umbra patch.esp
Grief.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - Immersive Citizens patch.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Inigo.esp
Eli_InigoBloodchillPatch.esp
InsanitySorrow Weapons Pack.esp
JK's High Hrothgar.esp
JKs High Hrothgar - Cloaks of Skyrim patch.esp
JK's Markarth Outskirts.esp
JK's Riften Outskirts.esp
JK's Sky Haven Temple.esp
JKs Sky Haven Temple - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Sky Haven Temple - IA Patch.esp
JK's Solitude Outskirts.esp
JK's Whiterun's Outskirts.esp
JK's Windhelm's Outskirts.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
JKs Sky Haven Temple - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
Kad_MoonMonkRobes.esp
LunarGuardArmor.esp
LZA Khajiit Campsite SSE.esp
Memorable Bounties - Witcher Inspired Quests.esp
mihailgoblinsandriekrs.esp
mihailskeletalrevenants.esp
MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp
JKs College of Winterhold - M'rissi Patch.esp
Northern Roads.esp
Obsidian Weathers.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
QwibTravelerOutfit.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Myrwatch Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp
Ryn's Dragon Mounds AIO.esp
Sentinel.esp
ShowPlayerInMenus.esp
Slof's Fluffy Khajiit Tails.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
SU04SachilFollower.esp
ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp
Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
Unmarked Locations Pack.esp
Unmarked Locations Pack - Ryn's Dragon Mounds Collection Patch.esp
Unmarked Locations Pack - Fixes.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack.esp

[Bonus!]

idk how to help you but there's a mod on nexus that's something like "the complete 12 years of modding" or something and i would just recommend downloading that and calling it a day and maybe a few other mods and stop bothering with a custom list trust me i understand dealing with hours of modding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ haha

[Alex]

Check if your mods are updated, especially the skse dependent stuff and its plugins.

Originally posted by Bonus!:

idk how to help you but there's a mod on nexus that's something like "the complete 12 years of modding" or something and i would just recommend downloading that and calling it a day and maybe a few other mods and stop bothering with a custom list trust me i understand dealing with hours of modding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ haha

Don't listen to such guys. Ever.

[Mugiwara]

Can you post which version of Skyrim you are using and which SKSE & Address Library version as well please?

We'll start with the obvious which is the SKSE mods: As most of those you have listed reference the address library as it's either what I have previously mentioned causing the issue or an individual mod which relies on SKSE that doesn't reference the Address Library.

If it is an individual mod that doesn't reference the Address Library. it will probably be between 1 - 25. Skyclimb would be my bet but I never used it, so can't say with any authority.

Edit: Also You have both OAR & DAR. Do you really need both? They pretty much do the same thing. That is likely to lead to problems too.

Edit: Also look at Achievement Mods Enabler. Try disabling see what happens.

[Bonus!]

Originally posted by Alex:

Check if your mods are updated, especially the skse dependent stuff and its plugins.

Originally posted by Bonus!:

idk how to help you but there's a mod on nexus that's something like "the complete 12 years of modding" or something and i would just recommend downloading that and calling it a day and maybe a few other mods and stop bothering with a custom list trust me i understand dealing with hours of modding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ haha

Don't listen to such guys. Ever.

hey man if u wanna waste tens of hours of your life modding that's on you man i was just saying it can be frustrating when you have a huge list of mods and one or a few start acting up and you gotta guess which ones sometimes

[Alex]

Which mod manager do you use? Have you sorted the plugins?

Originally posted by Bonus!:

hey man if u wanna waste tens of hours of your life modding that's on you man i was just saying it can be frustrating when you have a huge list of mods and one or a few start acting up and you gotta guess which ones sometimes

That's what modding is all about.

[Tiberius]

https://youtu.be/37CHnLWZd0Y?si=lb_Mwi3Hm3r2cUuJ

This has helped me tremendously in identifying my mod issue

[Half Phased]

Did you install all of those mods at once, or did you install a few, load up the game, test, then continue and add a few more?

Though if you’re playing .1170, I would hazard a guess at achievement mod enabler as the steam integration for achievements is broken right now, so that could be an error.

My recommendation would be to take that mod out and test first, then reinstall all your mods, going by dependencies, at 5-10 at a time.

[Sep]

Originally posted by Ninjy:

I need help with modding.

First thing to do is to remove Dynamic Animation Replacer or Open Animation Replacer. From my experiences, using both can cause CTD even though OAR have backward compatibility with it.

Also, did you use LOOT to sort the plugin? Cause from the look of it, it doesn't seems that you use LOOT to sort the plugin. RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp usually have the highest priority, so if it isn't at the bottom of the load order, CTD would happen. Try move it to the bottom of the load order.

And remove the Achievements Mods Enabler, version 1170 isn't working with it.

Originally posted by Bonus!:

hey man if u wanna waste tens of hours of your life modding that's on you man i was just saying it can be frustrating when you have a huge list of mods and one or a few start acting up and you gotta guess which ones sometimes

It comes down to experiences and you cannot have it without learning it. Once you are good enough, it barely takes a few minutes to troubleshoot your modlist.

Originally posted by Bonus!:

idk how to help you but there's a mod on nexus that's something like "the complete 12 years of modding" or something and i would just recommend downloading that and calling it a day and maybe a few other mods and stop bothering with a custom list trust me i understand dealing with hours of modding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ haha

And yeah... let's recommend others to use collection instead... if the curator itself isn't skillful enough, the collection is more prone to breaking than your own compile list.

[Ninjy]

Originally posted by Alex:

Check if your mods are updated, especially the skse dependent stuff and its plugins.

There was one mod that was slightly out of date that I updated but it wasn't the issue

Originally posted by Mugiwara:

Can you post which version of Skyrim you are using and which SKSE & Address Library version as well please?

We'll start with the obvious which is the SKSE mods: As most of those you have listed reference the address library as it's either what I have previously mentioned causing the issue or an individual mod which relies on SKSE that doesn't reference the Address Library.

If it is an individual mod that doesn't reference the Address Library. it will probably be between 1 - 25. Skyclimb would be my bet but I never used it, so can't say with any authority.

Edit: Also You have both OAR & DAR. Do you really need both? They pretty much do the same thing. That is likely to lead to problems too.

Edit: Also look at Achievement Mods Enabler. Try disabling see what happens.

Achievement mods enable has been removed. I also removed DAR (I still a noob to modding and only recently learned that OAR and DAR can be used for mods requiring the other, same for FNIS and Nemesis)

Originally posted by Alex:

Which mod manager do you use? Have you sorted the plugins?

Originally, no I didn't I wasn't running LOOT through MO2. I was hitting the sort plugins button on MO2 which wasn't changing load order at all. Ended up having to update LOOT and run the exe throgh MO2

Originally posted by Tiberius:

This has helped me tremendously in identifying my mod issue

Funnily enough while the crash logs didn't help me, his 3rd video in that mini series helped me fix it. And then I installed SSE Engine Fixes and had to disable a couple of options to get my plugins to NOT disable on startup lol

Originally posted by Half Phased:

Did you install all of those mods at once, or did you install a few, load up the game, test, then continue and add a few more?

Though if you’re playing .1170, I would hazard a guess at achievement mod enabler as the steam integration for achievements is broken right now, so that could be an error.

My recommendation would be to take that mod out and test first, then reinstall all your mods, going by dependencies, at 5-10 at a time.

AME has been removed and I kinda installed them all in like..... 3-4 stages as I found them.

Originally posted by Sep:

First thing to do is to remove Dynamic Animation Replacer or Open Animation Replacer. From my experiences, using both can cause CTD even though OAR have backward compatibility with it.

Also, did you use LOOT to sort the plugin? Cause from the look of it, it doesn't seems that you use LOOT to sort the plugin. RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp usually have the highest priority, so if it isn't at the bottom of the load order, CTD would happen. Try move it to the bottom of the load order.

And remove the Achievements Mods Enabler, version 1170 isn't working with it.

DAR and AME have been removed and plugins were sorted.



Final Note:
Sorry for the long reply, I just didn't want to spam y'all with notifications replying to each and every one of you individually.

Thank y'all for the help and advice as I just got my game working properly!

The issues/potential issues I found (through your help mostly) were as follows:
- Achievement Enabler due to broken integration atm (didn't know the integration was broken)
- 2 animation replacer mods (only learned recently that I didn't need both, even if i have mods that say they need one or the other)
- incorrect plugin load order (was using the wrong button to sort and my LOOT was out of date)
- Had a bunch of save files that were in the saves folder but not registering in game (Through the YT video posted above, I came across a fix for crashing on load and wanted to be sure it wasn't an issue)
- After installing and adding SSE Engine Fixes, a couple options needed to be disabled in it's .toml file (Found through same video mentioned in bullet right above and found the options that I needed to disable through pinned post on Alternate start nexus page)


Thank y'all again for the help! I never would've figured this all out on my own lol.

[Alex]

Good to know, the recent update spree did make a bit of a mess. Largerly the latest, 1170 one.

[Seth.]

The last 2 updates are made to crush all external mods...couse that you canot play! I hawe the same problem,90% from ppl here hawe the same problem ! ...dont broke your Computer for nothing,is nothing to do.

[Ninjy]

AAAAAnd I spoke too soon lol

Now I can't interact with NPCs (like statue of Mara from alternate start), go to the player menu (to access equipment and Magic and stuff), or access character creation from default start if i disable Alt Start

[Alex]

Originally posted by Ninjy:

AAAAAnd I spoke too soon lol

Now I can't interact with NPCs (like statue of Mara from alternate start), go to the player menu (to access equipment and Magic and stuff), or access character creation from default start if i disable Alt Start

The divines frown on furries. Repent, oh sinner!

The rest is likely an issue with Adress Library.

[Altbert]

Check your SKSE DLL plugins against SKSE Plugin Status[modding.wiki]. Be sure to at least have SKSE and Address Library compatible to the version of Skyrim SE you have. Some more info can be found here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3111663148

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Bonus!:

idk how to help you but there's a mod on nexus that's something like "the complete 12 years of modding" or something and i would just recommend downloading that and calling it a day and maybe a few other mods and stop bothering with a custom list trust me i understand dealing with hours of modding ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ haha

Why the hell would you install one mod and call it a day?

Hell I like small load orders, but if you idea is to install one or two mods and call it a day then you may as well just buy a game that does what the mod does and call it a day....

The rest of us want to choose our mods carefully to make the game OURS....

Now my personal approach is to start small and slowly add mods after making sure the mods you already have are stable.... Admittedly I personally stay small, and often start over with a different small selection of mods.... but hey I like it.