Quit bashing Skyrim in reviews because you don't know what edition you have

[lbonia]

We don't have to try very hard to find reasons to occasionally hate on Bethesda; from still existing game-breaking glitches in older games that are still being sold but with no fixes in sight, to every saved game being corrupted for no one knows what. But, when trolls start bashing Skyrim in reviews just to get to Bethesda, I have to speak up. Yes, they added the Creation Club to all versions, which sucks, I know. Yet, the purchases are optional and, either developed by Bethesda or by someone getting kickbacks by doing it for them. All the mods I previously owned and ran still work after addition of this disgustingly greedy feature. The "Special Edition" still works fine and there is no mod-breaking code there. It's the "Anniversary Edition" that's screwing things up. This is the one to throw rocks at.
JUST DO IT ON THE RIGHT PAGE!

[Fryman]

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

[lbonia]

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

The danger is that if one uses reviews to consider purchases, like every informed consumer should, seeing negative reviews meant for another edition then someone who may enjoy this game will mistakenly pass on it. I don't believe developers themselves should be allowed to edit and manipulate the review section as they are openly allowed to do, but, many times "venting" is done by someone who is clueless on what they're talking about and just want to rage anywhere they can.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

A gentle yet impactful reply. I agree wholeheartedly.

People are venting for a reason.
"Updating" a 13 year old game is strange in this instance. Especially so when the updates do not address the core bugs in the game, but are focused on micro-transactions and monetizing content that is generally and potentially free and superior in any case. Why would a game studio do this? The answer is clear. Greed.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by lbonia:

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

The danger is that if one uses reviews to consider purchases, like every informed consumer should, seeing negative reviews meant for another edition then someone who may enjoy this game will mistakenly pass on it. I don't believe developers themselves should be allowed to edit and manipulate the review section as they are openly allowed to do, but, many times "venting" is done by someone who is clueless on what they're talking about and just want to rage anywhere they can.

People who "may enjoy this game" will be just as frustrated by the inconsiderate and pointless updates as the existing user base in my opinion.

Once a person discovers this game, it very quickly evolves into mods. This is a given because the core game has major bugs that had never been addressed by Bethesda.

This will basically force any new players to seek mods to remedy these issues. The constant and thoughtless updates will break the potential "good" experience any new players may have had.

People venting here are making the point not just for themselves, but also for potentially new players who may be affected by this issue.

[lbonia]

Originally posted by Kreeate:

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

A gentle yet impactful reply. I agree wholeheartedly.

People are venting for a reason.
"Updating" a 13 year old game is strange in this instance. Especially so when the updates do not address the core bugs in the game, but are focused on micro-transactions and monetizing content that is generally and potentially free and superior in any case. Why would a game studio do this? The answer is clear. Greed.

It should be obvious that I dislike the monetization of it as well, since I said as much myself in the main post! Anyway, I have a problem when idiots leaving reviews for a game or an edition they don't even have.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by lbonia:

Originally posted by Kreeate:

A gentle yet impactful reply. I agree wholeheartedly.

People are venting for a reason.
"Updating" a 13 year old game is strange in this instance. Especially so when the updates do not address the core bugs in the game, but are focused on micro-transactions and monetizing content that is generally and potentially free and superior in any case. Why would a game studio do this? The answer is clear. Greed.

It should be obvious that I dislike the monetization of it as well, since I said as much myself in the main post! Anyway, I have a problem when idiots leaving reviews for a game or an edition they don't even have.

Fair enough. Review bombing is not the answer here, I agree to that. Potential new buyers need to be aware though that there are pitfalls and risks that may affect the complete gaming experience.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by lbonia:

Originally posted by Kreeate:

People who "may enjoy this game" will be just as frustrated by the inconsiderate and pointless updates as the existing user base in my opinion.

Once a person discovers this game, it very quickly evolves into mods. This is a given because the core game has major bugs that had never been addressed by Bethesda.

This will basically force any new players to seek mods to remedy these issues. The constant and thoughtless updates will break the potential "good" experience any new players may have had.

People venting here are making the point not just for themselves, but also for potentially new players who may be affected by this issue.

Wut? They'll absolutely still be able to use mods. Just not old ones in the anniversary edition. That's what I'm saying is that reviewers are trashing the game as a whole based on an edition that is an optional and NOT a mandatory update. Which, is to say that if you bought the anniversary edition, then what you're saying is true, but, not if you purchased the special edition. Anti-Bethesda are capitalizing on this misinformation and are misleading in the review section. If they don't like not being able to use their old mods then why buy "The Anniversary Edition" when the review section said there was clearly something wrong with it? Oh yeah, that's right, because the raging Bethesda hating reviewer put under the wrong edition! lol

The point is that it is currently not easy for casual players to defer updates on this platform.
Updates ARE mandatory unless you circumvent it via some other means. There is no way to completely defer updates for this game on this platform, provided by this platform, unless you take extra steps.
This is not about "who purchased which version". The fact remains that forced and pointless updates are frustrating the current user base and will potentially frustrate the new user base.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by warmed_over:

Originally posted by Kreeate:

Which, is to say that if you bought the anniversary edition, then what you're saying is true, but, not if you purchased the special edition.

If you purchased the Anniversary Edition here on Steam, then you own/purchased the Special Edition.

Incorrect quote mate. I never said that. It's from member Ibonia.

[Elementium]

I was not okay with paid mods with bethesda getting money on modder work before, things have not change since their last attempt.

[th]

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

Because they vent it on something which doesn't deserve it. In other words we get stupid and incorrect rating. Any Steam user is interested to have an objective game rating.

Skyrim is a great game. Its objective rating always should be really high. Bethesda's actions should be assessed separately.

Originally posted by Kreeate:

Once a person discovers this game, it very quickly evolves into mods. This is a given because the core game has major bugs that had never been addressed by Bethesda.

This will basically force any new players to seek mods to remedy these issues. The constant and thoughtless updates will break the potential "good" experience any new players may have had.

People venting here are making the point not just for themselves, but also for potentially new players who may be affected by this issue.

There is a statistics which tells that only about 8% of players use mods. So no, you are overestimate it.

Originally posted by Kreeate:

The point is that it is currently not easy for casual players to defer updates on this platform.
Updates ARE mandatory unless you circumvent it via some other means. There is no way to completely defer updates for this game on this platform, provided by this platform, unless you take extra steps.
This is not about "who purchased which version". The fact remains that forced and pointless updates are frustrating the current user base and will potentially frustrate the new user base.

Good point. And this is once again the reason for OP, not against him.

Because it's not Skyrim's fault and certainly not Bethesda's. It's Steam which lacks the functionality to block the updates. Steam i.e. Valve. And you can't blame Skyrim and Bethesda for Valve's faults. That be totally incorrect blaming.

[CostlySpider]

Originally posted by lbonia:

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

The danger is that if one uses reviews to consider purchases, like every informed consumer should, seeing negative reviews meant for another edition then someone who may enjoy this game will mistakenly pass on it. I don't believe developers themselves should be allowed to edit and manipulate the review section as they are openly allowed to do, but, many times "venting" is done by someone who is clueless on what they're talking about and just want to rage anywhere they can.

I clicked on both store pages special edition is mostly positive, anv upgrade mostly negative.

So kind of lost there.

Also let a alone the games age, I figure if someone wanted this game by now the would of bought it, only when it goes on crazy sale, might get new people interested in it, but thats just me I could be wrong.

Lastly I agree with you informed consumer part, but again this is just me, when I buy a game now, I tend to wait not just read reviews, I jump on forums, to read what people say about the game. Both sides. Those who like it and why, those who hate it and why.

Then maybe jump onto a few you tube vids, to see game play and if its something I may enjoy.

But still lost on your post and really why you care as, anv has bad reviews, special edition positve,

[lbonia]

Originally posted by Kreeate:

Originally posted by warmed_over:

If you purchased the Anniversary Edition here on Steam, then you own/purchased the Special Edition.

Incorrect quote mate. I never said that. It's from member Ibonia.

You're both wrong. I never said that it didn't, nor would I. It should be clear. And, you CAN buy the Special Edition without buying the Anniversary edition.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by th:

Originally posted by Fryman (Terms) =HKC=:

How exactly does that affect you? Why do you care? This is a 12-year old game, they've made more than a return on the development costs, what exactly is the danger with letting people vent their frustrations?

Because they vent it on something which doesn't deserve it. In other words we get stupid and incorrect rating. Any Steam user is interested to have an objective game rating.

Skyrim is a great game. Its objective rating always should be really high. Bethesda's actions should be assessed separately.

Originally posted by Kreeate:

Once a person discovers this game, it very quickly evolves into mods. This is a given because the core game has major bugs that had never been addressed by Bethesda.

This will basically force any new players to seek mods to remedy these issues. The constant and thoughtless updates will break the potential "good" experience any new players may have had.

People venting here are making the point not just for themselves, but also for potentially new players who may be affected by this issue.

There is a statistics which tells that only about 8% of players use mods. So no, you are overestimate it.

Originally posted by Kreeate:

The point is that it is currently not easy for casual players to defer updates on this platform.
Updates ARE mandatory unless you circumvent it via some other means. There is no way to completely defer updates for this game on this platform, provided by this platform, unless you take extra steps.
This is not about "who purchased which version". The fact remains that forced and pointless updates are frustrating the current user base and will potentially frustrate the new user base.

Good point. And this is once again the reason for OP, not against him.

Because it's not Skyrim's fault and certainly not Bethesda's. It's Steam which lacks the functionality to block the updates. Steam i.e. Valve. And you can't blame Skyrim and Bethesda for Valve's faults. That be totally incorrect blaming.

Kindly provide proof that only 8% of players are using mods. I find this highly improbable.

I am not "blaming" anyone. Steam has provided an option for developers to choose different game versions. Bethesda has chosen not to use that system. This is not on Steam. It is 100% Bethesda. The issue is also not just about whether to enable/disable updates.
It is also about the fact that Bethesda are forcing pointless and money grubbing updates that bring nothing new to the table. Nobody asked for these updates. None of these updates address the core bugs that are present in the game. Many of these bugs are engine related and are transferred into their other games. All these things are ignored by Bethesda. They only care about the $$$.

[Kreeate]

Originally posted by lbonia:

Originally posted by Kreeate:

Incorrect quote mate. I never said that. It's from member Ibonia.

You're both wrong. I never said that, nor would I. And, you CAN buy the Special Edition without buying the Anniversary edition.

That was literally a quote from you. Whatever. Delusion is prevalent these days.
Enjoy!

[Diarmuhnd]

Originally posted by lbonia:

...
... the purchases are optional and ...

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The history of paid mods from Bethesda is walls of text deep and if your interested in learning it you could. No way am I going to help you with that.

Funny how a 6 year old video is still valid in 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usn4wANK__g

Defending Bethesda is sad at this point

Creation Club 3.1 has ruined 'modern' Skyrim, perhaps I'd be less critical if these latest paid mods did not roll out with so many new bugs and broken crap with a price tag.