Which Chapter space marines are supposed to be ?

[Chaise Tactique]

Its look like ultramarines but im a little colorblind and what i see doesnt look to match with usual ultramarines colors

[dexgattaca]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Foxassassin:

They are -not- ultramarines.

They are an, as of yet, unnamed chapter. (And likely never will be).

And yet the CAPTAIN character model, the cutscenes and even the box art show them as the Ultramarines, you can claim they're meant to be a "nobody" chapter but there's only ONE chapter that uses the very helmet accessory for their captains!
Edit: oh and let's not forget the dialog pieces mention the Ultramarine's Primarch as well. If they WANTED to go with a nobody chapter, DON'T USE ♥♥♥♥ that makes them standout as an already established chapter, look at what the Blood Ravens did, nobody knew about them until Dawn of War brought them into the canon.

That's just inconsistencies with the art team.

The story Chapter was never named. It's homeworld was attacked by the orks and it was devasted by a war storm. A lone battle barge is all that seems to have survived. It names the player as Chapter Master. At the end of the story the Chapter is wiped out but the gene-seed is preserved in vaults.

The captain hero is clearly modelled after Cato Sicarius of Ultramarines. However the Ultramarines don't have copyright on Roman themes. Other than the captain, the art direction is completely generic for the faction.

[NONAME]

Originally posted by Wilfred Owen:

Originally posted by NONAME:

It would be cool if the next DLC was about adding some flavor to Astra Militarum and/or Space Marines, like different chapter/regiment cosmetics.

No. We still need Chaos Daemons and other factions. Space Marines feature too much in the lore and games, so other factions need some love.

What other factions are there that haven't been added?
The only one that comes to mind is leagues of Votann, but I doubt there is much interest in it.

[Doc]

Someone had suggested Adeptus Custodes a while ago...they do have some distinctive ships and "classes," but just not enough for a faction, in my opinion.

I think the Leagues could work, but there needs to be a few books on them to flesh out their backstory a bit and show how their subfactions interact.

There are sort of other Aeldari factions, but they don't have the full range of units needed for a faction.

Subfactions of Chaos *do* have enough variety to work, but that might be a bit tedious.

So basically I agree that the Daemons are probably the last one left; I imagine them as a sort of Tyranid-type faction...essentially no vehicles, but lots of interesting models and powers.

[dexgattaca]

Daemons would bring the most variety and be most interesting to implement.

Death Guard and Grey Knights have a decent amount of unique units, aesthetic and unique play style to be viable and fun factions.

Genestealer Cult lack units

Knights, Chaos Knights, Leagues of Votann and Custodes really lack units.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

The story Chapter was never named. It's homeworld was attacked by the orks and it was devasted by a war storm. A lone battle barge is all that seems to have survived. It names the player as Chapter Master. At the end of the story the Chapter is wiped out but the gene-seed is preserved in vaults.

Then commit to the damn thing, There's how many Space Marine chapters that have gone unnoticed because of the popularity of the Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, etc, any of them could have worked for the game, ♥♥♥♥ they could have even used the freaking Fire Hawks who everyone in the universe of 40K think is dead and gone!

[dexgattaca]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

The story Chapter was never named. It's homeworld was attacked by the orks and it was devasted by a war storm. A lone battle barge is all that seems to have survived. It names the player as Chapter Master. At the end of the story the Chapter is wiped out but the gene-seed is preserved in vaults.

Then commit to the damn thing, There's how many Space Marine chapters that have gone unnoticed because of the popularity of the Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, etc, any of them could have worked for the game, ♥♥♥♥ they could have even used the freaking Fire Hawks who everyone in the universe of 40K think is dead and gone!

I'm not understanding why it's necessary to name the chapter being played.
Plus if it was a specific chapter then they would need to have a specific color scheme.
If you want to play as a specific chapter just download Chapters of the Imperium.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Then commit to the damn thing, There's how many Space Marine chapters that have gone unnoticed because of the popularity of the Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, etc, any of them could have worked for the game, ♥♥♥♥ they could have even used the freaking Fire Hawks who everyone in the universe of 40K think is dead and gone!

I'm not understanding why it's necessary to name the chapter being played.
Plus if it was a specific chapter then they would need to have a specific color scheme.

Not if the chapter in question is a chapter that's been considered dead and gone, rebranding opportunity, recoloring opportunity, restructuring opportunity, and what's the Space Marine quest line trying to do? Rebuild their chapter meaning all three opportunities are right there.

[Foxassassin]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Not if the chapter in question is a chapter that's been considered dead and gone, rebranding opportunity, recoloring opportunity, restructuring opportunity, and what's the Space Marine quest line trying to do? Rebuild their chapter meaning all three opportunities are right there.

The problem with that is you're only looking at the Space marines.

Chaos, the planet turns into a demon. This chapter would be completely wiped out.

Ork implicate the planet is destroyed. The chapter would be completely wiped out.

Even the SM story itself only alludes that the gene seed could be saved. A theoretical sense.

To say that the SM chapter survives means the SM story is the cannon one, in a game where none of it matters outside of Gladius.

At that point GW could just -make- another chapter instead of trying to shoehorn it into this niche game.

[dexgattaca]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

I'm not understanding why it's necessary to name the chapter being played.
Plus if it was a specific chapter then they would need to have a specific color scheme.

Not if the chapter in question is a chapter that's been considered dead and gone, rebranding opportunity, recoloring opportunity, restructuring opportunity, and what's the Space Marine quest line trying to do? Rebuild their chapter meaning all three opportunities are right there.

Sorry, I'm still not understanding why it's necessary to name the chapter being played in Gladius.

What are these "rebranding" and "restructuring" opportunities you are talking about?

[NONAME]

Originally posted by Doc:

Someone had suggested Adeptus Custodes a while ago...they do have some distinctive ships and "classes," but just not enough for a faction, in my opinion.

I think the Leagues could work, but there needs to be a few books on them to flesh out their backstory a bit and show how their subfactions interact.

There are sort of other Aeldari factions, but they don't have the full range of units needed for a faction.

Subfactions of Chaos *do* have enough variety to work, but that might be a bit tedious.

So basically I agree that the Daemons are probably the last one left; I imagine them as a sort of Tyranid-type faction...essentially no vehicles, but lots of interesting models and powers.

I would personally like to see some variation of traitor guardsmen / non-CSM chaos faction, but pure Chaos demons seem really bland, if they will be anything like they were in Sanctus Reach or TWW3.

[dexgattaca]

Originally posted by NONAME:

I would personally like to see some variation of traitor guardsmen / non-CSM chaos faction, but pure Chaos demons seem really bland, if they will be anything like they were in Sanctus Reach or TWW3.

Hey NONAME. What would this non-CSM ideally look like for you? Would it be a mash up for CSM and Astra Militarum? Just curious.

[Nasarog]

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

Originally posted by NONAME:

I would personally like to see some variation of traitor guardsmen / non-CSM chaos faction, but pure Chaos demons seem really bland, if they will be anything like they were in Sanctus Reach or TWW3.

Hey NONAME. What would this non-CSM ideally look like for you? Would it be a mash up for CSM and Astra Militarum? Just curious.

Blood Pact. There's a mod that features them a bit now.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

What are these "rebranding" and "restructuring" opportunities you are talking about?

Take for example the Fire Hawks, a chapter that was considered to have been "lost in the warp" and the bell on Terra rang what was it 30,000 times or 50,000 times for every single Space Marine that was assigned to that chapter, instead of them slowly becoming what's known as the Legion of the Damned (still not following the retconned lore about those guys, ♥♥♥♥ you GW) their only ship the Raptorus Rex emerges from the warp over Gladius completely off course as well as now emerging into the 41st Millennia (or whatever the current timeline is now a days) still sporting gear and equipment that was issued to them all the way back in the 36th Millennia effectively leaving them at a massive disadvantage for modern armies and because of their status as being declared "lost in the warp" the Imperial Guard on Gladius likely would just shoot them on sight anyway, meaning they would have to completely rebrand their entire chapter from the Fire Hawks into something else which in turn by proxy would mean completely restructuring their entire chapter.

[Nasarog]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by dexgattaca:

What are these "rebranding" and "restructuring" opportunities you are talking about?

Take for example the Fire Hawks, a chapter that was considered to have been "lost in the warp" and the bell on Terra rang what was it 30,000 times or 50,000 times for every single Space Marine that was assigned to that chapter, instead of them slowly becoming what's known as the Legion of the Damned (still not following the retconned lore about those guys, ♥♥♥♥ you GW) their only ship the Raptorus Rex emerges from the warp over Gladius completely off course as well as now emerging into the 41st Millennia (or whatever the current timeline is now a days) still sporting gear and equipment that was issued to them all the way back in the 36th Millennia effectively leaving them at a massive disadvantage for modern armies and because of their status as being declared "lost in the warp" the Imperial Guard on Gladius likely would just shoot them on sight anyway, meaning they would have to completely rebrand their entire chapter from the Fire Hawks into something else which in turn by proxy would mean completely restructuring their entire chapter.

Kinda feels like the Soul Drinkers a bit...

[SnugSnug]

Yeah it's one of those unfortunate ones where they used ultramarine artwork for faction (6th ed codex), quest and research but Crimson fist for victory splash screens. All the while carefully not mentioning any names in the text other than to state Gladius is/was chapter planet.

As for the 3d assets and their skins, some of them definitely feel like they've been ported in from other games and no particular attention has been paid to whether the models have the existing insignia so long as the generic double eagle is first and foremost. Or there are some nice easter eggs.

Predator Vensus - Ultramarine 2nd company not 10th.
Dreadnought Razus - Crimson Fist

Company markings vary - Dreadnought and Assault terminators are 4th, Armour is a mixture of 10th and 2nd, scouts are second, storm raven 7th etc.

I just don't think we're suppose to look to closely, and the artwork is representative not actual.