Eldar Guide?

[thelonebanana]

Anyone got a guide for the Eldar?

[AlphariusOmegon87]

Not sure about a guide but Is there anything in particular that you would like to know?

[thelonebanana]

Originally posted by AlphariusOmegon87:

Not sure about a guide but Is there anything in particular that you would like to know?

Build order mostly, what units should I be looking to spam most of the time? I'm prolly going to buy the faction just would like somebody elses opinion. I play PvP a lot so any help would be helpful!

[Mr.Panda]

1) Rangers - Early game natural unit killer. Range 3 weapon make them far better than Guardians, as easier to positioning. Also useful til late game in some matchup (Ork/Tyranid).

2) Shininh Spears - This guys maybe squishy but with several tech upgrade, they hit hard like a truck. They can clear fort/strong natural units, scouting and soak enemy overwatch. Some might die but they are really cheap anyways.

3) Warlocks - Very OP infantry. I can't believe this guys are just tier 5. They can kill anythings with psychic skill and melee combat. They also solve Eldar weakness (Gateways snipe by other players), because they can teleport by themselves. Only cons is they are glasscannon.

4) Wave Serpant - Tanky vehicle in mid game. It can boost armour to 13+ with all skills. I always put its to take overwatch before other units rush in.

5) Fire Prism - Real damage dealler of this army. Spam its as much as possible. Its gun can switch 3 mode to handle any enemies. Also tons of tech upgrade. If you don't use its, you must be regret.

6) Wrathknight and Scorpion - Super end game units. Nothing to talk here. You gonna build its anyways. Especially Scorpion that is the strongest unit in game.

[thelonebanana]

Originally posted by Mr.Panda:

1) Rangers - Early game natural unit killer. Range 3 weapon make them far better than Guardians, as easier to positioning. Also useful til late game in some matchup (Ork/Tyranid).

2) Shininh Spears - This guys maybe squishy but with several tech upgrade, they hit hard like a truck. They can clear fort/strong natural units, scouting and soak enemy overwatch. Some might die but they are really cheap anyways.

3) Warlocks - Very OP infantry. I can't believe this guys are just tier 5. They can kill anythings with psychic skill and melee combat. They also solve Eldar weakness (Gateways snipe by other players), because they can teleport by themselves. Only cons is they are glasscannon.

4) Wave Serpant - Tanky vehicle in mid game. It can boost armour to 13+ with all skills. I always put its to take overwatch before other units rush in.

5) Fire Prism - Real damage dealler of this army. Spam its as much as possible. Its gun can switch 3 mode to handle any enemies. Also tons of tech upgrade. If you don't use its, you must be regret.

6) Wrathknight and Scorpion - Super end game units. Nothing to talk here. You gonna build its anyways. Especially Scorpion that is the strongest unit in game.

Thank you any recommendation for a build order?

[AlphariusOmegon87]

With a faction as dynamic as these guys, I would try and avoid 'spamming' a single unit, since a lot of their units work very well synergistically... a good variety of units will serve you best!

After putting in ~800 hours with this faction, here is what I've learned:

Unless you start with an empty tile that has 30-40% research, I always build an influence building first, followed by the infantry building. Anything after that is entirely dependent on the map, and you'll have to use some good ol' intuition to decide what you need.

Speaking of the map, be smart about which kinds of infantry you build: Tons of forests and density everywhere? Might be smart to make short range units (especially warlocks and howling banshees) in a situation like this. Wide open areas? Well certainly Dark Reapers and Rangers will shine in these environs. I like to have 2 squads of rangers leapfrogging past 2 stationary squads, that way they will always be covered by the full damage (stationary) squads in case the AI tries to bum rush you while you are doing your recon.

Your goal should be to crank out as many infantry units as possible, as fast as possible, without any pause! Don't overlook guardians either, they are absolutely devastating in the right circumstances. (overwatch, mop-up, area denial) Vehicles can be added to your army a lot later in the game (with the exception of aircraft) without suffering any negative consequences, assuming you have a large and diverse infantry force on the field. You might consider fielding heroes (especially the spiritseer, who can buff and heal) if you're lucky enough to get an influence start.

If you have an ore-based start, I don't know how to help you, since vehicles 100% should be supported by infantry, and with an ore start you will struggle to get food.... It's a toss-up here as to whether or not your game will be a good one with a start like this.

I try and prioritize research and influence early on.

This army is like a complex symphony that needs certain sections at certain moments to be brought forward, so the whole 'one unit to do everything' approach doesn't work very well in my opinion. This is a highly specialized force that can be employed to devastating effect when used responsibly

Don't overlook the bonesinger chantry building, it helps offset an otherwise slow growth rate.

I'm not going to go into any unit specifics here, since everything in the roster is fantastic when used well. This is not an instant gratification army, but they are incredibly fun to play as once you get the hang of it, hence the 800 or so hours I've put in so far :)

Best of luck!

[thelonebanana]

Originally posted by AlphariusOmegon87:

With a faction as dynamic as these guys, I would try and avoid 'spamming' a single unit, since a lot of their units work very well synergistically... a good variety of units will serve you best!

After putting in ~800 hours with this faction, here is what I've learned:

Unless you start with an empty tile that has 30-40% research, I always build an influence building first, followed by the infantry building. Anything after that is entirely dependent on the map, and you'll have to use some good ol' intuition to decide what you need.

Speaking of the map, be smart about which kinds of infantry you build: Tons of forests and density everywhere? Might be smart to make short range units (especially warlocks and howling banshees) in a situation like this. Wide open areas? Well certainly Dark Reapers and Rangers will shine in these environs. I like to have 2 squads of rangers leapfrogging past 2 stationary squads, that way they will always be covered by the full damage (stationary) squads in case the AI tries to bum rush you while you are doing your recon.

Your goal should be to crank out as many infantry units as possible, as fast as possible, without any pause! Don't overlook guardians either, they are absolutely devastating in the right circumstances. (overwatch, mop-up, area denial) Vehicles can be added to your army a lot later in the game (with the exception of aircraft) without suffering any negative consequences, assuming you have a large and diverse infantry force on the field. You might consider fielding heroes (especially the spiritseer, who can buff and heal) if you're lucky enough to get an influence start.

If you have an ore-based start, I don't know how to help you, since vehicles 100% should be supported by infantry, and with an ore start you will struggle to get food.... It's a toss-up here as to whether or not your game will be a good one with a start like this.

I try and prioritize research and influence early on.

This army is like a complex symphony that needs certain sections at certain moments to be brought forward, so the whole 'one unit to do everything' approach doesn't work very well in my opinion. This is a highly specialized force that can be employed to devastating effect when used responsibly

Don't overlook the bonesinger chantry building, it helps offset an otherwise slow growth rate.

I'm not going to go into any unit specifics here, since everything in the roster is fantastic when used well. This is not an instant gratification army, but they are incredibly fun to play as once you get the hang of it, hence the 800 or so hours I've put in so far :)

Best of luck!

wow! Thank you so much for all the info!

[Maestro Rugosa]

Never played them PvP, so the following might not apply.

Generally, most factions benefit from starting with their Book building.

But for main strategy, for me the Eldar only really came into focus once I starting playing with Wave Serpents. Until they have transport, Eldar infantry lives in fear of enemy overwatch.

Wave Serpents are rather far up the tech tree, unfortunately, but they totally magnify Eldar infantry to a huge degree.

And once you have a Wave Serpent in production, start to build a few Fire Dragons. Fire Dragons are too delicate to handle themselves in the field, but with seats on an armored personnel carrier, they can really blister armored enemy units and cities. The Wave Serpent absorbs the overwatch, and the killers hop out. The following turn, they can fire again and *then* hop back aboard. Plus, the Wave Serpent itself does a fair bit of damage once upgraded.

[AlphariusOmegon87]

Originally posted by thelonebanana:

wow! Thank you so much for all the info!

No problem at all! Feel free to message me if you want more info, I have many strategies and even future concepts I would love to share!

[Mr.Panda]

Originally posted by thelonebanana:

Originally posted by Mr.Panda:

1) Rangers - Early game natural unit killer. Range 3 weapon make them far better than Guardians, as easier to positioning. Also useful til late game in some matchup (Ork/Tyranid).

2) Shininh Spears - This guys maybe squishy but with several tech upgrade, they hit hard like a truck. They can clear fort/strong natural units, scouting and soak enemy overwatch. Some might die but they are really cheap anyways.

3) Warlocks - Very OP infantry. I can't believe this guys are just tier 5. They can kill anythings with psychic skill and melee combat. They also solve Eldar weakness (Gateways snipe by other players), because they can teleport by themselves. Only cons is they are glasscannon.

4) Wave Serpant - Tanky vehicle in mid game. It can boost armour to 13+ with all skills. I always put its to take overwatch before other units rush in.

5) Fire Prism - Real damage dealler of this army. Spam its as much as possible. Its gun can switch 3 mode to handle any enemies. Also tons of tech upgrade. If you don't use its, you must be regret.

6) Wrathknight and Scorpion - Super end game units. Nothing to talk here. You gonna build its anyways. Especially Scorpion that is the strongest unit in game.

Thank you any recommendation for a build order?

I suggest to start with Ore building for every factions. If not you will have Ore shortage when founding second city. Research is the least important resource to worry about because every recruitment buildings give 2 Research bonus. You can get 20+ Research only by recruitment buildings each cities and additional +6 Research from an hero item. So Research isn't a matter for Eldar but Influence is. Eldar need Influence heavily to use Gateway Travel. So you should heavily invest in Influence.

My Build Order would be

1) Ore building. Trust me bro.
2) Infantry building. start recruit Rangers instead of Guardians. If your enemies are heavy armour races like Necron, you can go for Fire Dragon/Dark Reaper instead.
3) hero building (research first). Get Farseer and let them buy Tantalising Icon to boost Influence and Scrolls of Magnus to boost Research.
4) vehicle building (research first). Shining Spears are useful early game. Research tech that give them bonus damage to fort and monster.
5) Food building. To maintain your Rangers and city population. Just one of them is fine in early game.
6) Influence building. if first city doesn't have Influence bonus tile, find second city that have its. You should gain 50+ Influence per turn at least.
7) population limit building. exactly

[thelonebanana]

Originally posted by Mr.Panda:

Originally posted by thelonebanana:

Thank you any recommendation for a build order?

I suggest to start with Ore building for every factions. If not you will have Ore shortage when founding second city. Research is the least important resource to worry about because every recruitment buildings give 2 Research bonus. You can get 20+ Research only by recruitment buildings each cities and additional +6 Research from an hero item. So Research isn't a matter for Eldar but Influence is. Eldar need Influence heavily to use Gateway Travel. So you should heavily invest in Influence.

My Build Order would be

1) Ore building. Trust me bro.
2) Infantry building. start recruit Rangers instead of Guardians. If your enemies are heavy armour races like Necron, you can go for Fire Dragon/Dark Reaper instead.
3) hero building (research first). Get Farseer and let them buy Tantalising Icon to boost Influence and Scrolls of Magnus to boost Research.
4) vehicle building (research first). Shining Spears are useful early game. Research tech that give them bonus damage to fort and monster.
5) Food building. To maintain your Rangers and city population. Just one of them is fine in early game.
6) Influence building. if first city doesn't have Influence bonus tile, find second city that have its. You should gain 50+ Influence per turn at least.
7) population limit building. exactly

Awesome I will definitely try this out I have been struggling with ore early game so this might be a good idea.

[Slappy White]

Make sure you secure a second and possibly third city build site by securing webways from other players. You don't want to end up having to expand and having no options. Make a second city asap to get things really going. Mid game I like to make a city killing party out of 2 wave serpents, a few prisms, the flying seer(gotta have him for the killing blow in the city, use his ability first before everyone else attacks on your best turn) and filling up the wave serpents with some fire dragons and wraithguard. Wreck a city, then get back inside the transports and leave. If you do it right against the AI, you won't even have to fight an army some of the time. Take advantage of being able to skim over water to hit cities from odd angles to make enemy reinforcements take an extra turn to get to you. You should be able to take it down in 2-3 turns, then escape without having to fight a big blob. Use your fast stuff to scout, you have better scouts than most factions. Know what cities are undefended and know where the enemy forces are

[Riggnarok]

I tried some of what you guys said and damn it was great, now if only I could get a start that is not ore heavy lol. Need a terraform land tech XD or just hydroponics. I was spamming cities or trying to by turn 70 on normal speed by doing what was suggested one gate refused to turn into a city even though I cleared the area no idea why it did that maybe bug?

Anyways srsly if your trying the eldar try what is suggested here even me that is honestly terrible at 4x games (Still love them) was doing well with a heavy ore start so someone honestly good at these games should do fine.

[Grotzel]

Originally posted by Riggnarok:

(...)one gate refused to turn into a city even though I cleared the area no idea why it did that maybe bug? (...)

Could another Aeldari (or Drukhari) faction have claimed that gate before you? That happened to me once and I was a little irritated until I noticed that the gate had the wrong colour. Didn't help those silly Aeldari though ... because they didn't properly clear the gate's area before activating it.

Having said all that about properly securing the neighbourhood before activating Webway Gates:
An extremely risky and situational tactic to secure a city with resources you urgently need could be to look for a very isolated gate (those CAN exist) and colonize it. Not ideal, but it IS possible if the neutrals aren't too nasty - they should (again ... with a bit of luck) ... on normal wildlife density .... not be enough to kill a city. Of course supporting it with units/ heroes would be better, provided you can spare the influence and the units. An isolated city might be sustainable purely as a resource gathering centre. The truly problematic point, of course, are probably not the neutrals but possibly expanding neighbouring factions.

You might be forced to pull such a stunt anyway if you've lost cities or too many gates in your neighbourhood.

[Riggnarok]

I had claimed it but the gate refused to become a city, color was right I could warp to it but could not make it a city made 2 other gates cities worked that one just was confused i guess?