Prices

[Dal420]

Does anyone know what the hell is happening with the prices for this game and the DLC?

Why do they refuse to go below 40%? What kind of rare gold do they think they are peddling?

Some of the DLC content is nearly 6 years old, and is priced the same as content which came out last year, which is still stupidly overpriced. Some of these DLC packs cost more than other complete 40k games on sale.

Total DLC is still $160+... and that's 40% off.

You know how many games you can buy during a Steam sale for $160?

Slitherine have lost it man.

My guess?
Greed monster got 'em. Got 'em real good.

No way I'd support this the way it is currently. I don't care how good it is.

[Howell-Barrex Soldier Ja'kala]

the complete bundle is another 20ish% off, and the idea is that people only really buy the DLC for the faction/units that they want.

[pi73r]

Yea, the game is okay, nothing to write home about but it's fun to play once in a while and I'd like to support it and buy any dlc but the prices are just crazy for how old it is and what they offer and I'd simlply feel like a sucker after buying those considering the entire dlc greed.

[TemplarGR]

Just wait for the Christmas ("Winter") sale and get the complete package then. It typically gets a very nice cut during sales.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Dal420:

Total DLC is still $160+... and that's 40% off.

Why do you have to buy every single thing on sale? What's stopping you from just buying the base game, and picking and choosing which DLC (if any) you want on top of that?

All of the DLC for this game is 100% optional.

[Williefistercunt]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by Dal420:

Total DLC is still $160+... and that's 40% off.

Why do you have to buy every single thing on sale? What's stopping you from just buying the base game, and picking and choosing which DLC (if any) you want on top of that?

All of the DLC for this game is 100% optional.

base game doesnt offer a ton to be honest, but the dlc isnt necessary, it is though to an extent if you want a decently fun game

[Dal420]

Originally posted by Williefistercunt:

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Why do you have to buy every single thing on sale? What's stopping you from just buying the base game, and picking and choosing which DLC (if any) you want on top of that?

All of the DLC for this game is 100% optional.

base game doesnt offer a ton to be honest, but the dlc isnt necessary, it is though to an extent if you want a decently fun game

Yeah, I've had the game for years, but I prefer to play complete games.
I collect every 40k army in tabletop too, so they are all appealing to me.

I see the package for the complete set, but even with the 6 that I already own, it is still $100 cdn. I don't even know if it takes into account the ones that I already own, but this is still a hefty price tag.

It seems like there is a lot of content, but is any of it actually worth the price?

Also, is it worth it to play the packs that I already have for now, or is better to wait until I get them all?
I don't even know how they affect the game. It's been too long since i played it, but I do remember enjoying the game quite a bit.

When I can get Battletech complete on sale for $40, it seems like a far better deal. Maybe not as much content though?
I'm not sure, but Battletech still seems to offer tons of hours for a much fairer price.

Still, if they do go down during the winter sale as someone suggested, to 50 or even 60% preferably, I may start to pick up a few packs here and there.

[TemplarGR]

Originally posted by Dal420:

When I can get Battletech complete on sale for $40, it seems like a far better deal. Maybe not as much content though?
I'm not sure, but Battletech still seems to offer tons of hours for a much fairer price.

Still, if they do go down during the winter sale as someone suggested, to 50 or even 60% preferably, I may start to pick up a few packs here and there.

Honestly, "hours for the price" is not a good way to look at things. Hours played doesn't mean hours of fun. Nothing against Battletech of course, i have tried it, didn't really like it, but it is not a bad game. It is not comparable to Gladius though.

Let me give you an example: Around 20 years ago, i got Max Payne 2 on PC. I know, revealing my age here. That game was like 4-5 hours to complete, but the story, the characters, the music, the graphics, the gameplay, all have stuck to me to this day. I replayed it 3-4 times in my life, and that was it. Apparently if you went by hours played, 40 euros for like 20 hours tops was a "bad investment". But was it really? This game made me really happy back then, it was fun and exciting, and still memorable.

In the end, it is not hours played, it is what it is worth TO YOU! How does it make you feel. If playing a combat focused 4X game in the 40K universe is worth it to you, then the price isn't comparable. If it isn't worth it to you, then get something else. But don't count the hours dude, it is never about the hours.

In fact, if a game can give you great memories with less hours, it is actually better. I prefer shorter games generally. Even Gladius would have been better if it had removed a lot of the cruft and lead to less busywork and more to-the-point battles. But hey, it is made by Germans, and since i have been gaming from the early 90s on PC, my experience with German strategy developers is that they love busywork and convoluted mechanics (feeling like playing an Excel spreadsheet) for no reason, lol. No offense to German devs, some of my favorite games (like this one) are German, but not without issues....

[Dal420]

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

Originally posted by Dal420:

When I can get Battletech complete on sale for $40, it seems like a far better deal. Maybe not as much content though?
I'm not sure, but Battletech still seems to offer tons of hours for a much fairer price.

Still, if they do go down during the winter sale as someone suggested, to 50 or even 60% preferably, I may start to pick up a few packs here and there.

Honestly, "hours for the price" is not a good way to look at things. Hours played doesn't mean hours of fun. Nothing against Battletech of course, i have tried it, didn't really like it, but it is not a bad game. It is not comparable to Gladius though.

Let me give you an example: Around 20 years ago, i got Max Payne 2 on PC. I know, revealing my age here. That game was like 4-5 hours to complete, but the story, the characters, the music, the graphics, the gameplay, all have stuck to me to this day. I replayed it 3-4 times in my life, and that was it. Apparently if you went by hours played, 40 euros for like 20 hours tops was a "bad investment". But was it really? This game made me really happy back then, it was fun and exciting, and still memorable.

In the end, it is not hours played, it is what it is worth TO YOU! How does it make you feel. If playing a combat focused 4X game in the 40K universe is worth it to you, then the price isn't comparable. If it isn't worth it to you, then get something else. But don't count the hours dude, it is never about the hours.

In fact, if a game can give you great memories with less hours, it is actually better. I prefer shorter games generally. Even Gladius would have been better if it had removed a lot of the cruft and lead to less busywork and more to-the-point battles. But hey, it is made by Germans, and since i have been gaming from the early 90s on PC, my experience with German strategy developers is that they love busywork and convoluted mechanics (feeling like playing an Excel spreadsheet) for no reason, lol. No offense to German devs, some of my favorite games (like this one) are German, but not without issues....

You're one hundred percent correct. Game length doesn't equal quality.

I was only suggesting that maybe that is were the value comes from in this game is just from the sheer amount of content there is. It seems like they are still working hard and creating more for it, which is impressive.

I actually prefer shorter games as well, but with a game like this, if it is one that I enjoy that much, I would probably come back and play it forever (or as long as I'm still around anyways). I still play Chaos Gate, and love it just as much as I did back then.

I just dropped $70 on Pinball FX tables, so I'm not a cheap bastard. If the value is there, I'll go for it, but after reading the reviews and from what I've been watching over the last couple years, they seem to be milking this pretty hard.

One of my favourite games is Age of Wonders (although I have to go back and give Planetfall another try. It didn't quite sink in the first time), so if I have the same memories from this as I got from that, then it would probably be worth it in that regard.

I guess the only thing I can do is that I'll have to go back and play the content I've got, and then decide from there what is (or if it's all), worth adding.

Lol. Germans.
(I'm like 1/900th German or something like that, so I'm allowed to say that probably) Cheers!

[Dal420]

After all that, it turns out they can make this any price they want, because I'm no longer a customer of Steams.

I will never spend another penny on here ever again.

RIP Steam.

[TemplarGR]

Originally posted by Dal420:

After all that, it turns out they can make this any price they want, because I'm no longer a customer of Steams.

I will never spend another penny on here ever again.

RIP Steam.

Why? Steam has the best sales and almost all of the games. Why leave Steam?

[Dal420]

This is not a decision I make lightly.
I've got a lot invested in this, and I like Steam a ton. At least I did...

Boycott 343
Today, I opened Steam excited to play a game, and was greeted with this:

Ban notification from a forum moderator — 9 hours ago
You have been banned from Halo: The Master Chief Collection Community Hub
You have been banned from Halo: The Master Chief Collection Community Hub by a forum moderator for your post in "Disability Pride Month":
As a disabled straight person, I don't feel represented.

Ban Reason:
Show basic courtesy and respect

While this ban is active, you will not be able to post or comment in the Halo: The Master Chief Collection Community Hub or upload new content to this community hub.

If you believe this ban was issued by mistake, please contact Steam Support.

This is a permanent ban.
- END OF MESSAGE

My rebuttal:
I am writing this both in anger and with a heavy heart. I’m disgusted, and have no idea how to deal with this.
One thing is for sure: I will never be buying another Halo product or Xbox Game Factory game ever again – no more Halo, Forza, Gears, etc.,. and fully intend to boycott all 343 products in the future.
A PERMANENT ban for saying that I didn’t follow the guidelines for basic respect by saying the “Disability Pride month” tag didn’t make me feel represented as a straight disabled person.
This is sick, and is quite scary. We are now censoring people’s voices in order to push an agenda? This must stop, and I’m waging the battle on this front.
I was considering removing all products from my account, but since I paid for them, that will really only hurt me.
You should be ashamed of yourselves 343. Look what happened to Bud Light? Go woke, go broke.
Enough is enough.
This will get banned as well, but I will be posting this on YouTube, FaceBook, Reddit and anywhere else that it might be seen.
They are not getting away with this.


Originally posted by Dal420:
Originally posted by Dal420:
Perfectly reasonable, but believe me, that's the worst part of it, zero malice was intended.
Thank you for your reply.

When I said, "go woke and go broke", I simply meant that a video game company (or any other company for that matter) has no business pushing their political views / agenda on their player base.

That is simply wrong.

If a company like 343 is going to hire outside moderators to police their forums, they should know that this can result in a loss of customers after their customers have been alienated.

If being "woke" and on (what they consider) to be the right side of things is what is important to them, then they will inevitably "go broke" as a result if they decide to refuse to associate with certain people (who are, apparently, anyone who insinuates anything that doesn't feel right to them).

As for my statement, I know you said you don't care, which is fair and unbiased, but for anyone who isn't on the fence about this, I feel like I should elaborate: what I was trying to express is that the disability pride month flag looks strikingly similar to the gay pride month flag.

If you want to do something for disabled people, why should it not be unique and represent us?

Using a rainbow flag and the word PRIDE on top of that which is already associated with another group feels like an underhanded way to group other people into a cause whether knowingly and innocently, or not.

I guarantee when most people see a rainbow flag, they think homosexual pride, not disabled person.
That's all I meant.

Also, here's a thought: maybe we could all use to stop being so damn proud, and possibly start being a bit humble?
Proverbs 11:2:
"When pride comes, disgrace comes; but with the humble is wisdom."
- New American Bible.

I have no bias against homosexual people or those who claim a similar status.

My best friend growing up turned gay at 17, my friends mom is gay, my neighbours son who I babysat was gay, the man who trained me to be an altar server was gay, and one of the families who had three kids who were also altar servers had one who was gay. I have nothing against any of them and they are all wonderful people.

I'm a straight white Catholic male. Not a very likeable demographic these days. Add in disabled, and well, most people wouldn't even care at that point. Regardless of that, I have no malice towards anyone.

My thing is simply that disabled people are already mostly ignored and swept under the rug, while homosexuals are celebrated from crosswalks to parliament buildings, schools and everywhere in-between.

If they really wanted to do something special for disabled people, they could have tried a bit harder.
That's all.

What I have absolutely no patience and tolerance for is censorship.
In my views, any technological company operating within the borders of a country, whether on the internet or not, should still have to abide by that countries rights and rules, and for Canada, that means freedom of speech. This is something which is already a sore issue, and is already being slowly wrangled away from us.

As a result, I cannot in good conscience support any company that enforces this behaviour. People fought and died so that we could live in a free country. It would be an incredible disservice to their sacrifice to simply turn around and throw away everything that they fought for.

Steam itself (and Google, YouTube, FaceBook, and all these other big tech companies that want to be gods and enforce their views on everyone for that matter) is on thin ice with me, and the only reason that I'm still here is that the Steam mods for the most part have been genuine and reasonable, despite a couple close calls. They have always managed to correct the issue.

In this case, they claim it's out of their hands and is left to 343, who clearly don't seem like they could care less.
WELL PLAYED STEAM.

YOU JUST LOST A CUSTOMER COMPLETELY.

GO ♥♥♥♥ YOURSELVES.

You have been banned from the Steam Hub until 6 Dec @ 8:44am.
You were banned by a member of Steam Support.
Reason: "This post has been identified as being disrespectful. When posting in the Community, please ensure that content is respectful and constructive."
Message from you on Dec 5 @ 8:53am | less than a minute ago
YOU'VE LOST A CUSTOMER.

I'M NOT DOING THIS WITH YOU CLOWNS ANYMORE.

I'm getting a lawyer, and we're going to court until I get the right to sell my Steam account, just like what happened to you guys in France..

You want to censor and alienate your customers?

We'll see.

You think by taking down and erasing everything that you guys cover your asses, but I have screen snips of every single thing.

I want to play video games, not these sick twisted little games with you people.

I hear the Epic Game store calling me with free stuff...

[TemplarGR]

Oh i see. Honestly, i am with you on this one. You are 100% correct, but sadly we are living in a clown world where certain views are enforced upon us with relentless propaganda and endless censorship. And this is not because the rich oligarchs and the politicians of the world love LGBQT+ people, no, they are just using them as an excuse to make censorship and tyranny more palatable to the masses. If you can justify destroying civil rights because someone's feelings might get hurt, you can justify removing them for anything, people become desensitized to their removal and seem fine with censorship and tyranny, they become accustomed to it, it even seems normal to them. Tyranny always begins with (fake) good intentions but ulterior motives, and we are just having a bad case of tyranny in the west right now. It will pass eventually, it will collapse on its face sooner or later.

BUT, until it happens, until the public becomes sensitive to censorship and civil rights again, and demand change, it will be awhile. And until then, you shouldn't make a huge fuss about these things, you are only hurting yourself. Do not be too angry about moderators and other stuff, they are doing their job most of the time, that is their orders.

And don't hate the LGBQT people either, they are pawns in this game as well, they just feel good for getting all the attention and be considered "vulnerable victims in need of protection", so they are the "stars of the show". Of course they like it and they don't see the bigger picture, that censorship is bad for everyone and while you may like it that it happens to things you don't agree with, eventually it will happen to you as well.... Used to be a time when the leftists were being censored and prosecuted, now it is the right's turn...

In any case, don't leave Steam dude. And don't fight unwinnable battles.

[Dal420]

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

Oh i see. Honestly, i am with you on this one. You are 100% correct, but sadly we are living in a clown world where certain views are enforced upon us with relentless propaganda and endless censorship. And this is not because the rich oligarchs and the politicians of the world love LGBQT+ people, no, they are just using them as an excuse to make censorship and tyranny more palatable to the masses. If you can justify destroying civil rights because someone's feelings might get hurt, you can justify removing them for anything, people become desensitized to their removal and seem fine with censorship and tyranny, they become accustomed to it, it even seems normal to them. Tyranny always begins with (fake) good intentions but ulterior motives, and we are just having a bad case of tyranny in the west right now. It will pass eventually, it will collapse on its face sooner or later.

BUT, until it happens, until the public becomes sensitive to censorship and civil rights again, and demand change, it will be awhile. And until then, you shouldn't make a huge fuss about these things, you are only hurting yourself. Do not be too angry about moderators and other stuff, they are doing their job most of the time, that is their orders.

And don't hate the LGBQT people either, they are pawns in this game as well, they just feel good for getting all the attention and be considered "vulnerable victims in need of protection", so they are the "stars of the show". Of course they like it and they don't see the bigger picture, that censorship is bad for everyone and while you may like it that it happens to things you don't agree with, eventually it will happen to you as well.... Used to be a time when the leftists were being censored and prosecuted, now it is the right's turn...

In any case, don't leave Steam dude. And don't fight unwinnable battles.

That's kind of you to say. You're one of the rare ones on here who make a great deal of sense.

You've also put more effort into keeping me here than Steam has.

I'll have to sleep on it and consider what you said.

I believe big changes come from small beginnings, but you're right, with everything I've got invested in this account already, fighting to sell it would probably end up being more of a headache for me than anything.

And for sure, I don't blame any group of people, just the individuals who are trying to exploit these types of situations for personal gain, such as the oligarchs and politicians you mentioned.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply about this.

[Grotzel]

This is political stuff that doesn't really have a place in a game forum.

It's nice that you don't hate gay people although getting upset about gay pride tags still feels a bit silly to me. I don't really care about that and I don't think that the mods did either. I doubt that you were banned for that (possibly for the 'go woke and go broke' slogan? ... no idea).
In any case, that's not tyranny. Private companies are not required to give your views a forum.

And this stuff about oligarchs and politicians in the west and the coming tyranny ... I think you are looking in the wrong direction. There are already plenty of tyrannies in the world and they seem to have no problem with censoring LGBQT people (or anyone else) ... possibly a sign that 'gay propaganda' is not THAT good of a sinister plan to undermine free speech.

In any case - off topic stuff that we shouldn't really discuss here.