As a Tyranid how to deal with Adeptus Mechanicus?

[ZTr00p3r]

Hi there

I'm a new player on this game still trying to understand lots of things.
I only play multiplayer with my cousin and AIs.
Yesterday was the first time I saw Adeptus Mechanicus and I couldnt do anything with my Tyrannofexs and Trygons especially agaisnt a unit like Knight Crusader.
Do the Tyranid have a huge unit like that too or someway to counter it?
I also had Tervigon healing my units but that didnt help much and my Tyranid prime was one shotted.

[ZTr00p3r]

CuddilyWuddily님이 먼저 게시:

Scythed Hierodule from one of the DLCs

Didnt know DLCs also brough new units for existing factions, thx.

[Jey]

You can't beat an AdMech lategame and if you're talking about Knight, it's well in the late game.

If it's an AI, you can try to spam Tfex with some termagants (termagants to absorb overwatch/slow the enemy advance/damage infantry and Tfex to destroy anything with HP).

Don't make melee units as the Knight Stomp will destroy them.

[Stardustfire]

every Unit Pack DLC brings Units for existing factions, thats there whole reason, and half? of all DLC are Unit packs....
best bet vs knights is to swarm it with TFex, problem is: a running Admech Eco just swarms you with knights. ppl lament that sisters are imba (cant see that till now) but ignore that Admech it total overbord broken OP.
knights aim and AP is compareable bad, but it profits alot from the hero buffs to overcome and erase this shortcomeings. AI dont exploits that, vs a player who does it coud be a good habit to erase the Heros before dealing with the knight.
prime has alot of units on his solo kill list, Titans are not in that List. but oneshoted? sounds like bad equipment kitting and ignoring cover. also its weakpoint ulti skill shoud give you a much easyer time downing a knight (with mentationed TFex) .
the mentationed Hyrodule has alot off shortcomeings , its good to harass small to medium ground units, but Titans are as bad a match for it as Air is (Hyrodule is complete Melee)

[Nasarog]

Jey님이 먼저 게시:

You can't beat an AdMech lategame and if you're talking about Knight, it's well in the late game.

If it's an AI, you can try to spam Tfex with some termagants (termagants to absorb overwatch/slow the enemy advance/damage infantry and Tfex to destroy anything with HP).

Don't make melee units as the Knight Stomp will destroy them.

Flyers.

[Stardustfire]

not vs Admech, and not vs knights. admech has alot of weapons good vs air, and the knight even gets a AA Upgrade extra cannon on top, it has no problems dealing with air, not even dmg sponges like Tyranid or Chaos.

[Nasarog]

Stardustfire님이 먼저 게시:

not vs Admech, and not vs knights. admech has alot of weapons good vs air, and the knight even gets a AA Upgrade extra cannon on top, it has no problems dealing with air, not even dmg sponges like Tyranid or Chaos.

Hmmm, never noticed that.

[Etrusco]

Jey님이 먼저 게시:

You can't beat an AdMech lategame and if you're talking about Knight, it's well in the late game.

If it's an AI, you can try to spam Tfex with some termagants (termagants to absorb overwatch/slow the enemy advance/damage infantry and Tfex to destroy anything with HP).

Pretty much that but you want to SPAM termagants as much as possible and have bare minimumt 2 lv 6 Tyrannid Primes to exploit weakness on the Knights. Also you need some Tyrants to give long range sypnase for the little ones or you are going to have a civil war with your termagants.

Edit: I'm talking about the late game PvP, I'm not a fan of playing Tyrannids against the AI.

[Jey]

Etrusco님이 먼저 게시:

I'm talking about the late game PvP

In PvP you can't beat a late game AdMech.

Once the Desintegrator Skorpius are out, you should just surrender.

minimumt 2 lv 6 Tyrannid Primes to exploit weakness on the Knights.

Knights have 8 armor and Tfex have 6 AP. You don't earn much from the exploit weakness. meanwhile the cost of having those 2 primes could have been more units, and either you didn't equip them and they'll get blasted to bits, or you equipped them and the investment is so high you crippled your army.

Also you need some Tyrants to give long range sypnase for the little ones

You don't care about morale on the termagants. Their low HP ensures that they won't get more damage from low morale, and you don't expect them to deal high damage anyway, they're here to slow down the advance.

Tyrants are simply free XP for Onagers, like Hive Crones, which is why they are not the tool to fight Knights.

[Etrusco]

Jey님이 먼저 게시:

Gotta be honest I barely used Tfex I just recalled seing games with MASSIVE amounts of termagants, and Lictors 2 shotting Knights with the help of Exploit Weakness and Scythed Hierodule running around also two shotting them. I just tested how much better it get's for Tfex and it is god awful.

A win condition that I have seen (not played) in extremely long PvP games is Tyrannids making tunnels on the flanks putting pressure on the Mechanicus guy since Knights can't quite teleport. If you FLOOD the the frontline with Termagants they can't kill them fast enough and you can 2 shots with Hero + Lictor or Hierodule, they can't kill your Primes as long as you use the wing item.

I would not say is impossible but you have to cheese, you have to threat the enemy with sniping cities and spam termagants. Since is crazy long games we are talking about (fast pace past 60 turn on a 1vs1 is very long in my opinion) affording those heroes with wings should not be an issue.

PD: losing a Tyrant is horrible so even having them at 4 range for the morale could be a big risk.

[ZTr00p3r]

Stardustfire님이 먼저 게시:

every Unit Pack DLC brings Units for existing factions, thats there whole reason, and half? of all DLC are Unit packs....
best bet vs knights is to swarm it with TFex, problem is: a running Admech Eco just swarms you with knights. ppl lament that sisters are imba (cant see that till now) but ignore that Admech it total overbord broken OP.
knights aim and AP is compareable bad, but it profits alot from the hero buffs to overcome and erase this shortcomeings. AI dont exploits that, vs a player who does it coud be a good habit to erase the Heros before dealing with the knight.
prime has alot of units on his solo kill list, Titans are not in that List. but oneshoted? sounds like bad equipment kitting and ignoring cover. also its weakpoint ulti skill shoud give you a much easyer time downing a knight (with mentationed TFex) .
the mentationed Hyrodule has alot off shortcomeings , its good to harass small to medium ground units, but Titans are as bad a match for it as Air is (Hyrodule is complete Melee)

I dont know how to get equipment on tyranid prime.

[Stardustfire]

like on every other hero, move found items on him by have him active and click items in your stash topleft, or just move him on a shop and click the bag item, starting your shoping spree.....
(same items dont stack, and items need one turn after equiping to get active)

[ZTr00p3r]

Stardustfire님이 먼저 게시:

like on every other hero, move found items on him by have him active and click items in your stash topleft, or just move him on a shop and click the bag item, starting your shoping spree.....
(same items dont stack, and items need one turn after equiping to get active)

Ok I have to investigate that since I dont even know about found items. thx